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Fwd: Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by Doug Kelch 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

--- Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:50:20 -0800 (PST) > From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll > be buying a centerboard > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > --- David Rossi <David.Rossi(a)wcom.com> wrote: > > Anyone else had to replace the centerboard? > > Suggestions? > I lost my centerboard due the pin coming out while > sailing. The pin actually came loose due to > trailering vibrations and I didn't notice it. You > can > find my used Centerboard on the bottom of Nantucket > sound about half way between Hyannis Ma and > Nantucket:) If you find it you can keep it. > > I obtained new board via Bob Egg but discovered that > it wouldn't quite fit into the well. It turns out > the > older M15s were built with iron as part of the keel. > > The Iron will swell with time probably due to > internal > rust. My M15 is #310 built in 1984. I had to grind > the gel coat off both sides of the CB to get it to > fit. I made a long handled gauge to move around the > centerboard well to find the swelling so that I new > where the tight spots were. > I lightly epoxy-y+ied the pin in and it vibrated out > again. I covered the ends of the pin with boat life > and it came out again. I finally covered both end > of > the pin with sail repair tape and the pin is staying > in. > > > > drain...right? Hers is full of > > black dirt. How do you get in there to clean it > > out? > I use a shop vac to retrieve lost items that find > their way to the bilge. It is a wet/dry vac so when > I > have spilled water in there by accident I use it to > suck the water out. > So... dry vac for valuables, add water, stir well > and > suck it up:) > > > > > Is there any documentation describing how the > > mainsheet is meant to be > > rigged? I think I had it right but there were a > few > > blocks unused on the boom. > On older boats it is not unusual for someone to have > changed the rigging so answers to this may not make > sense. > I believe my boat has the original equipment with a > rope traveler and two blocks at the traveler end, > one > used by the traveler and one for the mainsheet. The > mainsheet ties to a becket?(thingy)at the end of the > boom, goes through the block on the traveler and up > to > the block on the end of the boom, through the block > about mid boom and down to the mainsheet cleat just > in > front of the cabin entrance. > > > Thanks, > Doug Kelch > "Seas the Day" M15 #310 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by Steve_McClellan＠hmco.com 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

Well I would love to, David. But if you were able to take your boat out in the last week, you must be an awfully awfully long way away from me! Wish I could take mine out. Just get my M15 about 3 weeks ago, and I don't know how I'm going to be able to wait till Spring. Steve M15 #152 David Rossi <David.Rossi(a)wcom.com>@mailman.xmission.com on 01/02/2002 02:42:51 PM Please respond to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent by: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com cc: Subject: RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard Steve, Once you practice on your boat perhaps you'll do mine?....:) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Steve_McClellan(a)hmco.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 2:41 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard Connie-- It seems that in your usual imaginative way, you have come up with an elegant solution to the problem of the inaccessible space beneath the cockpit. After I get a little more experience doing fiberglass & gelcoat work, I intend to try it myself. (My own vessel, hull #152, has the shallow lockers on BOTH sides, so I have NO access whatever to that space at this time.) I have one question: When I look back toward a cockpit locker from underneath (inside the cabin) I see just forward of the locker a vertical "bulkhead" kind of a piece, which appears to form the forward wall of the locker itself. Didn't you have to cut that? Or is that actually a separate piece of fiberglass, not part of the locker wall? Steve M15 #152 Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck(a)juno.com>@mailman.xmission.com on 01/02/2002 01:18:02 PM Please respond to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent by: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com cc: Subject: Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard David, My M15 - #400, had the port locker that went to the bottom of the hull, but the starboard locker had the moulded in shallow storage space. I looked at all the nice storage space I couldn't reach; scratched my head for a bit; contemplated my navel, and finally decided on my course of action. I carefully cut around the lip of the sail locker - at the center of the flat surface, and removed the shallow locker. Then I added supports at the inside of the sail locker so that the shallow locker had something to rest on when I dropped it back in place. Now I had the best of all worlds: the shallow locker for glasses; keys; and small stuff; but if I lifted it out, I now had access to the whole space below, where I now keep my boarding ladder; extra cockpit cushions; my paddle; and the bimini top. It also allows me to check the bilge aft of the centerboard trunk - that is normally unreachable. A 4 foot hose and my old PAR pump and I can remove any water that may get in there. It's quite a job doing this, but well worth the effort. Connie M15 #400 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by Steve_McClellan＠hmco.com 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

Connie-- It seems that in your usual imaginative way, you have come up with an elegant solution to the problem of the inaccessible space beneath the cockpit. After I get a little more experience doing fiberglass & gelcoat work, I intend to try it myself. (My own vessel, hull #152, has the shallow lockers on BOTH sides, so I have NO access whatever to that space at this time.) I have one question: When I look back toward a cockpit locker from underneath (inside the cabin) I see just forward of the locker a vertical "bulkhead" kind of a piece, which appears to form the forward wall of the locker itself. Didn't you have to cut that? Or is that actually a separate piece of fiberglass, not part of the locker wall? Steve M15 #152 Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck(a)juno.com>@mailman.xmission.com on 01/02/2002 01:18:02 PM Please respond to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent by: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com cc: Subject: Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard David, My M15 - #400, had the port locker that went to the bottom of the hull, but the starboard locker had the moulded in shallow storage space. I looked at all the nice storage space I couldn't reach; scratched my head for a bit; contemplated my navel, and finally decided on my course of action. I carefully cut around the lip of the sail locker - at the center of the flat surface, and removed the shallow locker. Then I added supports at the inside of the sail locker so that the shallow locker had something to rest on when I dropped it back in place. Now I had the best of all worlds: the shallow locker for glasses; keys; and small stuff; but if I lifted it out, I now had access to the whole space below, where I now keep my boarding ladder; extra cockpit cushions; my paddle; and the bimini top. It also allows me to check the bilge aft of the centerboard trunk - that is normally unreachable. A 4 foot hose and my old PAR pump and I can remove any water that may get in there. It's quite a job doing this, but well worth the effort. Connie M15 #400 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by Morris, Giles 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

Easy. Both ends are covered with resin and gel coat, just drill it out and drive the pin through. -----Original Message----- From: David Rossi [mailto:David.Rossi@wcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 2:04 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard Thanks again. What did it take to remove and then reinstall the pin? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by Conbert H Benneck 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

David, My M15 - #400, had the port locker that went to the bottom of the hull, but the starboard locker had the moulded in shallow storage space. I looked at all the nice storage space I couldn't reach; scratched my head for a bit; contemplated my navel, and finally decided on my course of action. I carefully cut around the lip of the sail locker - at the center of the flat surface, and removed the shallow locker. Then I added supports at the inside of the sail locker so that the shallow locker had something to rest on when I dropped it back in place. Now I had the best of all worlds: the shallow locker for glasses; keys; and small stuff; but if I lifted it out, I now had access to the whole space below, where I now keep my boarding ladder; extra cockpit cushions; my paddle; and the bimini top. It also allows me to check the bilge aft of the centerboard trunk - that is normally unreachable. A 4 foot hose and my old PAR pump and I can remove any water that may get in there. It's quite a job doing this, but well worth the effort. Connie M15 #400 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by Morris, Giles 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

He is the factory: bobeeg(a)earthlink.net or Nor'Sea Yachts 33772 C Copper Lantern Dana Point, CA 9262 (714) 489-8227 -----Original Message----- From: David Rossi [mailto:David.Rossi@wcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:33 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard Thanks. Is Bob Eeg with the factory or how could I contact him? -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Morris, Giles Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:24 PM To: 'montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com' Subject: RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard >Anyone else had to replace the centerboard? Yeah. Mine broke because it was lowering too far, which is guaranteed to break it. Bob Eeg made me a new one. It was rather easy to replace, but the boat was on its side in my driveway and I was able to jack up the keel to give myself space to put the new board in. I suspect that the easiest way to do it would be to put the boat on a lift for a few minutes. Giles Morris Arlington VA Vancouver 25 #002 "Dolphin" Montgomery 15 #264 "Umiaq" Sundry kayaks _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by Morris, Giles 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

>Anyone else had to replace the centerboard? Yeah. Mine broke because it was lowering too far, which is guaranteed to break it. Bob Eeg made me a new one. It was rather easy to replace, but the boat was on its side in my driveway and I was able to jack up the keel to give myself space to put the new board in. I suspect that the easiest way to do it would be to put the boat on a lift for a few minutes. Giles Morris Arlington VA Vancouver 25 #002 "Dolphin" Montgomery 15 #264 "Umiaq" Sundry kayaks

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RE: M_Boats: Positive Floatation
by Morris, Giles 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

>I've been toying with the idea of using empty PET soda bottles for floatation When I bought Umiaq she had plenty of floatation in the form of empty gin, rum, whisky, vodka, etc... bottles that were filling (completely) the under-cockpit section. It had taken true dedication to provide that much flotation. Giles Morris Arlington VA Vancouver 25 #002 "Dolphin" Montgomery 15 #236 "Umiaq" Sundry kayaks

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Re: M_Boats: Positive Floatation
by Randy Watkins 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

this is a good discussion, here's a couple of files/links that deal with the subject in depth. Randy Watkins M15#194 >>> Steve_McClellan(a)hmco.com 01/02/02 08:17AM >>> According to my calculations -- (somebody else check it!) -- you'd need to displace about about 12.5 cubic feet of water to float an M15 -- or a bit over twice that for the M17. Now, if we don't take into account a whole bunch of other variables, like how much water the fiberglass walls and other materials in a submerged boat would displace on their own--or the weight of the foam itself, you would need about 13 cubic feet of foam to ensure a fully water-filled M15 would float. Now, that doesn't take into account the weight of your extra large battery, anchors and other gear. On the other hand, it doesn't take into account the fact that it is extremely unlikely your hull could ever be COMPLETELY filled with water (i.e., no air pockets), so maybe we can let all the other variables slide, and just say that you want about 13 cubic feet of foam. Seems like a lot. Doesn't seem like you could get that much volume of foam just by filling really inexcessible areas with it. Does anybody have that much foam in their M15? That would take 90 1-gallon milk jugs or 351 1-liter plastic bottles. I'm going to take a really wild guess and say that it would take in the neigborhood of 50 to 100 bucks worth of Great Stuff. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Positive Floatation
by Steve_McClellan＠hmco.com 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

According to my calculations -- (somebody else check it!) -- you'd need to displace about about 12.5 cubic feet of water to float an M15 -- or a bit over twice that for the M17. Now, if we don't take into account a whole bunch of other variables, like how much water the fiberglass walls and other materials in a submerged boat would displace on their own--or the weight of the foam itself, you would need about 13 cubic feet of foam to ensure a fully water-filled M15 would float. Now, that doesn't take into account the weight of your extra large battery, anchors and other gear. On the other hand, it doesn't take into account the fact that it is extremely unlikely your hull could ever be COMPLETELY filled with water (i.e., no air pockets), so maybe we can let all the other variables slide, and just say that you want about 13 cubic feet of foam. Seems like a lot. Doesn't seem like you could get that much volume of foam just by filling really inexcessible areas with it. Does anybody have that much foam in their M15? That would take 90 1-gallon milk jugs or 351 1-liter plastic bottles. I'm going to take a really wild guess and say that it would take in the neigborhood of 50 to 100 bucks worth of Great Stuff.

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