May 2002 - Kraftwerk - mailman.xmission.com

Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: KW lists ;-)
by Enrique Correa 06 May '02

06 May '02

oh jay wrote: > @ least the kraftwerkfans list has some real moderators ... > unlike this list !!! My question to you is: How come you hang around a list that does not have a (real) moderator? You seem to be pretty passionate about the subject. Everytime you have the chance to resuscitate it, there you are, telling the whole world who co-owns other lists and that this list lacks a moderator. Let it rest already, I'm not interested on your propaganda. I only belong to one KW list... having to deal with you on one list is enough work for me. E (coming right up: oh jay's furious reply, stay tuned!)

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Re: RE: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer
by Dirk Matten 06 May '02

06 May '02

kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 06.05.02: > omegaChance <Omega(a)herzeleid.net> wrote: > > > It seems they hold more of a grudge against you than Karl. Is Karl just > quieter about it? The book (but it seemed they were still mad before you > published it)? > > What makes me think that it could be interesting a Karl Bartos' point of > view's book. The title? "I also was a robot". > :-) > > > I think bringing lawyers into is a bit much, but I agree it was pretty > shitty to post his e-mail address. > > AFAIR the e-mail address posted in this very list is the one that appeared > on Wolfgang Fluer's page or other related website. > > DER AUTOMAT ® > I thought it was an idiot who sent me that e-mail with the name of Wolfgang Flür, not Wolfgang Flür himself. Sorry for publishing this e-mail adress and this message ... ;-), harr, harr ... (noise of the Panzerknackerbande) Dirk Matten ______________________________________________________________________________ All inclusive! 100 MB Speicher, werbefrei, SMS günstiger, Wunschrufnummer, Events, Preisvorteile und mehr unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021104

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Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer
by omegaChance 06 May '02

06 May '02

Herr Flür wrote: "...I also wonder what you guys are discussing some times. Aren't there other things in your lifes instead of discussing what someone in Kraftwerk..." Well this is a Kraftwerk mailing list, and when I would personally perfer if we god to learn more about the member's through their everyday ventures, it is often disregarded/shunned at. "...Kraftwerk members with naked upper bodies under a garden shower, wouw! Have you never been in the swimming baths in hot summer days? And what do you see there? Everyone could see us on the beaches of St. Tropez ore elsewhere in those days." We were unsure if it was just upper bodies, you see. reserve their myth as robotic inhuman secret and hidden. "He doesn't know anything of me, he was an device dealer - > nothing else - especially no natural scientist or psychologist. Don't > let you tell of this bullshit what this man pours over the pages..." Well thank you, I think too many people here (on this list) treat Dirk's words like the gospel just because he knows Ralf & Florian. "There were some other points which the both didn't like to be published. And especially that I've invented and built my first electric drum board. Can one imagine why they cannot grudge this to me?" It seems they hold more of a grudge against you than Karl. Is Karl just quieter about it? The book (but it seemed they were still mad before you published it)? This has always been a big question for me with the Post-Electric Café/The Mix Kraftwerk. "Photos which I'd done in the middle of the seventies were of course not only for money, they were also for fun." You're entitled to whatever you do, I suppose. Honestly, Im a bit jaded about it, but I am young and naive. As for other things that have happened since Wolfgang's message was relayed here... I think bringing lawyers into is a bit much, but I agree it was pretty shitty to post his e-mail address. Hopefully some obsessive fans wont e-mail him and spam him with things he probably won't want to read. Like I said before, I think some of you treat Dirk's messages like they are completely korrekt since he 'knows' R&F. Then again, I wouldn't treat Wolfgang's words like they are holy too, but just as solid information on the other point of view. omegaChance _____________________________________ MAIL: Omega(a)herzeleid.net AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 MSN: IAMomegaChance(a)hotmail.com Y!M: IAMomegaChance(a)yahoo.com WEB: http://www.mp3.com/omegaChance _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email(a)yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag

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Re: KW lists ;-)
by Oh Jay 06 May '02

06 May '02

From: "Nicolau Centola" <ncentola(a)terra.com.br> > I'm not interested in Kraftwerk fans list *LOL* ;-))) only because i'm the founder of that list , dear nicolau ??? *G+* ;-) how ridiculous !!! :-/ well ... there are 3 other moderators on that list that will take care of u , if u would like to flame me !!! *hehehe* ;-))) @ least the kraftwerkfans list has some real moderators ... unlike this list !!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... if u like to experience it for yourself & are not afraid of me , like nicolau , jus' go here : http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/kraftwerkfans/join !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: "from noise to sound to music to ... eternity !!!" ;-)
by Oh Jay 06 May '02

06 May '02

From: Lord Ruthven <dasfestistzuendeaus(a)yahoo.de> > Well, let's see ... In august 1962 Joe released his biggest hit single > TELSTAR. The 40th anniverary seems to be a good occasion... okay then ... expect a call from me later , jan !!! *G+* ;-) changin' the topic to stockhausen's message ( for the last time , in my case !!! ;-) : > And IMHO everybody has the right not to be confronted > over and over with the crap he talked in one weak moment - > all the more, if he himself concedes it was crap. well ... i certainly wouldn't do this "over & over" , but ONLY once & for all ... to make it heard ( or read ;-) by the public , in order to let us all base our opinions on actual FACTS & not jus' hearsay etc. !!! anyway ... i also think that mr. stockhausen has finally learned a lesson from this specific experience & therefore i surely DON'T condemn him & would indeed like to interview him myself one day !!! ;-) changin' the topic to subharmonic sounds etc. ... > (following the Fourier theory, which would include the use > of subharmonic sounds). hm ... the fourier synthesis is a lil' bit weak , when it comes to subharmonic sounds , as "the maestro" ( oskar sala ;-) & also people like dieter doepfer ( http://www.doepfer.de ) once said , because it's simply NOT_ALWAYS possible to create sounds jus' by addin' or subtractin' diff'rent sine waves !!! :-/ but we all ( should ) know that especially mr. stockhausen was much more interested in the mathematical way to compose music than "the maestro" , who mostly composed music "by heart" ... & not jus' "by mind" , which makes the legendary oskar sala even more sympathetic to me than mr. stockhausen !!! *G+* ;-) > What I know is that the Electronic Studio of WDR was equipped > with a monochord constructed in 1953 by Trautwein and Meyer-Eppler, > but no one there was interested in playing it, so it went onto the attic. well ... this ol' "monochord" surely wasn't as half as interestin' as "the maestro's" latest mixturetrautonium , built in the early 80s !!! *sly_grin* ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay , former friend of the late "maestro" ( oskar sala ;-) !!! *sigh* :-o ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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I´m back !!
by Mr. Van de Veer 06 May '02

06 May '02

Hello Werkers IÂ´m back to the list !!!! see u. sintetik _________________________________________________________________ O MSN Photos Ã© o modo mais fÃ¡cil de compartilhar e imprimir suas fotos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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KW lists
by Nicolau Centola 06 May '02

06 May '02

Thanks, But IMFTC list doesn't work anymore. Any info? I'm not interested in Kraftwerk fans list peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br >>>> Try a group like alt.music.kraftwerk, and Yahoo! groups Its More Fun To Compute and Kraftwerk Fans ...other than that I havent found much. omegaChance

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Re: "from noise to sound to music to ... eternity !!!" ;-)
by Oh Jay 05 May '02

05 May '02

From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> > I think, that as Kraftwerk get older, they become > more and more obssessed with perfectionism. > That is why they can no longer make an album, > they are perhaps driving themselves crazy > trying to achieve the impossible? > I think that the Radio-Activity album marked the beginning > of their intention to be perfect. > The emphasis on production is greater with every album. agreed ... & as i already wrote here some months ago : holger czukay of the german band can once said in an interview about kw : "they once were pioneers of electronic (dance)music , but by now they are only 'sound designers' !!!" :-/ jus' look @ their latest "werks" : "expo 2000" - a jingle that turned into a single ... mainly for financial reasons , rather than to leave another historic mark in electronic music & "zero landmine" - a jingle ( or intro ;-) that was only used in a song twice ... as the intro & outro !!! *sigh* :-o what's next ??? :-o maybe only another jingle ... like "kling klang ... ausgang" , to finally say goodbye to us all & close down their famous studio in d-dorf forever !? *sigh* :-o oh well ... :-/ From: Lord Ruthven <dasfestistzuendeaus(a)yahoo.de> > yeah, the meanwhile about 370 Joe Meek tracks I own. [ ... ] > as Joe Meek, another heroe of mine, always used to say: > If it *sounds* right, it *is* right! well ... i like joe meek as well & as i know by now that u have about 370 songs or trax by him , jan , i suppose that we should come together & produce a 2 ( or even more !? ;-) hours "joe meek special" for one of my own radio shows !!! *G+* ;-) okay ... seriously , what do u think about it , jan ??? *pure_curiosity* changin' the topic to "stockhausen vs. sala" ... > Well, I'm not his spokesman, but first let me say: > I'm sure, Stockhausen is neither senile nor has > any sympathies for terrorists. i haven't said that he's senile - jus' a tad bit insane ;-) - , but what he said @ that press conference about the terrorists' attack on the 11th of sept. 2001 was indeed ... erm ... mostly UTTER_RUBBISH & also VERY_DISAPPOINTIN' , because his music is mainly ( if not already completely !? ) "intellectual ( or mathematical ) music" or "music for the mind" & the total opposite to "pop music" or "music to dance to" !!! so what i wanted to say with it , is that if somebody like - only for instance !!! ;-) - britney spears would have uttered such a nonsense , i wouldn't be surprised @ all , but if such an intellectual person like mr. stockhausen simply WASN'T_ABLE to give a much more adequate statement to that happenings , then i'm indeed VERY_DISAPPOINTED , sorry !!! *sigh* :-o > He said: "Wasn't it a terrible crap what occurred to me here?" yes INDEED ... it was !!! :-/ sad , but true !!! *sigh* :-o > and finally he asked the journalists not to use the material. *LOL* ;-))) as if ANY true journalist could have resisted that temptation & would refrain from doin' JUS'_THIS_!!! *still_LOL* ;-))) btw : i would have done the same , simply because who uttered such a nonsense in public also has to face the consequences of it , sorry !!! well ... i suppose that even "a musical genius" as mr. stockhausen could learn some things from time to time !? *slyest_grin* ;-))) p. s. : has stockhausen EVER used or tried to use subharmonic sounds in one of his "werks" , jan ??? *pure_curiosity* wouldn't that be interestin' for him to use those possibilities of the mixturetrautonium for one of his compositions ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Karl Bartos and Karlheinz Stockhausen in Stockhol m
by Enrique Correa 04 May '02

04 May '02

Karlheinz Stockhausen must be one of must boring musicians (if we can call him that) on this planet. Yeah, he received some fancy prizes and stuff like that, but I dare any of you to listen to any of his recordings non stop. Chances are you'll feel tempted to press forward a few times and then the stop / eject button so you can then take it straight back to that second hand store you got it from and trade it for something a bit more melodic (just about anything in store will do). What I've heard from him is nothing but noise crap, sort of what Aphex Twin and Autechre do from time to time, with the only difference that Aphex and Autechre did in fact recorded several ear candy tunes which I love deeply. Actually early Kraftwerk also falls into that category (noise crap with a few exceptions). Anyway... TGIF Enrique

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Re: stockhausen vs. sala ...
by Oh Jay 04 May '02

04 May '02

jan asked : > 1.: did you hear COMPLETELY what he said at this press conference? > you didn't, i presume. fyi : i haven't "heard" him say it , but i actually read THE_WHOLE_TRANSCRIPTION of that specific press conference on his own website - http://www.stockhausen.org - !!! based on that , i've built my opinion about it !!! > 2.: nine-eleven provoked a waterfall of crappy statements all over the > world, and the one by Stockhausen is not the most awful i've heard. > and if everyone is given the boot who talked rubbish in this connection, > there would be nearly no one left to talk with. sure , but the way he "admires" the endurance of the terrorists is ... erm ... a lil' bit "too strange" to be called sane anymore ... imho , of course !!! btw : i DON'T hate him for what he's said , as there certainly is some truth in it as well , but i highly doubt that he's a mentally sane person ... albeit he's still "a great artists" in its own kind , like van gogh & others were too !!! *sly_grin* ;-) > i know that good old Sala never got it completely, hm ... what do u mean exactly with "never got it completely" , jan ??? *slightly_puzzled_look* :-o the instrument , the music , the sound ... ??? > but you have to know Stockhausen's serialistic concept > in developing sounds to understand that the mixture trautonium > would have been not too useful for that. maybe u are right , but as far as i know , it has sadly NEVER been tested , so it will surely remain "an unanswered myth of musical history" ... now that "the maestro" ( oskar sala ) is dead !!! *sigh* :-o however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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