May 2002 - Kraftwerk - mailman.xmission.com

Re: Putting some rules in my answers
by Oh Jay 07 May '02

07 May '02

our "dear friend" nicolau wrote : > 2. Any personal attack and/or disrespectful message > will be answered just with this signal (without any comment): > (...................................) > as an indication that I will ignore the sender considerations. man ... u really take yourself & your humble opinion WAY_TOO_SERIOUSLY & also waste lots of bandwidth with such a nonsense !!! *sigh* :-o > I hope the (...................................) messages > become more and more rare until disappear. guess what ??? as long as u like to reply with such silly & mindless (...................................) messages to anythin' that u personally don't like , A_WHOLE_LOT of messages in the future will contain (...................................) !!! :-/ DOES_THAT_REALLY_MAKE_ANY_SENSE_??? :-o surely not , but it's your decision alone , "dear" nicolau !!! *sigh* :-o however ... greetinx , oh jay , who eagerly awaits nicolau's (...................................) message in reply to this postin' !!! *LOL* ;-))) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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Putting some rules in my answers
by Nicolau Centola 07 May '02

07 May '02

Dear friends, I will adopt some rules to answer any message that make reference of me or any message I posted. It's a simple standard that will avoid any personal attack or flame battle, and keep them on personal messages (where the personal attack should remain). It would be nice if anybody on this list adopt it. Of course it's just a suggestion. I would like to hear (personally) what you think about it. I will make this way: 1. Any interesting and/or intelligent message will be replied with a small or long answer, in order to develop nice conversation about any topic; 2. Any personal attack and/or disrespectful message will be answered just with this signal (without any comment): (...................................) as an indication that I will ignore the sender considerations. I hope the (...................................) messages become more and more rare until disappear. Thanks for your attention peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br

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Re: KW lists ;-)
by Nicolau Centola 07 May '02

07 May '02

(...................................) Nicolau >>>>>>> *LOL* ;-))) only because i'm the founder of that list , dear nicolau ??? *G+* ;-) how ridiculous !!! :-/ well ... there are 3 other moderators on that list that will take care of u , if u would like to flame me !!! *hehehe* ;-))) @ least the kraftwerkfans list has some real moderators ... unlike this list !!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... if u like to experience it for yourself & are not afraid of me , like nicolau , jus' go here : http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/kraftwerkfans/join !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~

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Re: why "music is organized noise" & a song is a song & not a track ... ;-)
by Oh Jay 07 May '02

07 May '02

i wrote myself : >> "music is organized noise !!!" ;-) kevin replied : > Ralf's corruption of Varese's definition "music is organised sound"! well ... maybe too , but the actual phrase "music is organized noise" goes back long before kw even existed !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) > They "lack" such a structure in the same way that a frog lacks wings! nope , NOT_AT_ALL , because "a song" jus' becomes "a song" due to a specific structure of rhythm & melody / verse & chorus etc. !!! fyi : u can compose "a song" out of pure noise ... when u organize it in a way that a song-like structure can be defined & also be heard !!! ;-) to use your "frog lacks wings" example : a frog is a frog by definition & a bird is a bird by definition ... & a song is a song by definition , so if it lacks the PERTINENT parts & structure , it jus' ISN'T "a song" anymore ( or never even was ;-) , but ONLY "a track of noise(s) or sound(s)" !!! that's why most so called "techno" trax are simply NOT "songs" , but "trax" , because they lack the PERTINENT structure of "a song" !!! ;-) > Like "electronica", it's Newspeak. ;-) in other words : completely meaningless !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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KW on TV
by Lord Ruthven 07 May '02

07 May '02

Currently 3sat TV reruns the twelve-part-documentary "Pop 2000". Part 5 (1970-1976) is to be sent on Sunday, May 12, 16.30 CEST. IIRC, it's the one with early Kraftwerk snippets in it. So if someone hasn't seen it yet ... VPS 1630, 120502 Showview 6.384.015 jan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer
by Pat Slade 07 May '02

07 May '02

Hey fellow Kraftwerk fans, Yesterday was some sorta rollercoaster ride on this here list, oh my! Many issues came up that I, as a moderator on two other music groups, have never had to face, thank god! :-) What has made me a little nervous is the fact that although it seems that this list is a private entity and that it takes place in emails or a digest format, it is in fact, very public. Anyone can go to the xmission website and read the digests. I'm dismayed that Wolfgang's email address was shared with basically the world, and I'm thinking without his knowledge or consent. I want to learn all about Kraftwerk and to celebrate their music with other fans, but in my opinion, this list desperately needs the moderator to protect the interests of the group, and the privacy of its members, or at the very least, those people whose email addresses are displayed without their knowledge or consent. Just my two cents, that's all. pat _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Giorgio Moroder on Kraftwerk
by Enrique Correa 06 May '02

06 May '02

Erik Jälevik wrote: > Very interesting... I've never read anyone suggesting that "Man Machine" > and late 70s Kraftwerk in general should have copied Giorgio Moroder > before. That's probably because you haven't read a few posts about this subject a while ago. > When listening to "From Here to Eternity" from 77, there are > definitely a lot of the same sounds and similar production as on > especially "Spacelab" and "Metropolis", even though Giorgio always > kept a bit more of a disco element in there. Agree completely. I have repeatedly said (in one way or the other) that Moroder's "From Here to Eternity" has close ties (maybe too close for comfort for a few KW fans) with two Kraftwerk albums that came up after FHTE: The Man Machine and Computer World. Even the intro of TMM's "Metropolis" has been linked to that of the later Summer's / Moroder's "I Feel Love". FHTE and "I Feel Love" were truly groundbreaking records. FYI, this subject died suddenly when a few members wouldn't even give Moroder's music respect due to his inability of keep making good music (in all honesty, most of his late stuff is really uninteresting). > Does anyone know which came out first, "From Here to Eternity" >or TEE? And what about "I Feel Love" by the way? Did that precede TEE. TEE was first. E

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Re: the PLAIN_TRUTH about stockhausen's "misquoted" message !!!
by Oh Jay 06 May '02

06 May '02

From: "Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media" <glenn(a)folkvord.net> > Did he not say that the terrorist attack was > "the greatest art piece of the Devil" ? Not "greatest art piece" period. > You can read his explanation at > http://www.stockhausen.org/message_from_karlheinz.html > (and not what the press misquoted). dear glenn & all , i'm NOT interested in what stockhausen or whoever said as a more or less silly excuse thereafter , but in what he said himself ORIGINALLY @ the press conference in hamburg , which u can find @ the bottom of page 8 & the beginnin' of page 9 in the followin' document , which is a TRANSCRIPTION of the press conference !!! - http://www.stockhausen.org/hamburg.pdf - fyi : here's his ORIGINAL statement ( UNALTERED_!!! ) in german : "hm. also was da geschehen ist, ist natÃ¼rlich - jetzt mÃ¼ssen sie alle ihr gehirn umstellen - DAS_GRÃ–SSTE_KUNSTWERK, was es je gegeben hat. (das also geister in einem akt etwas vollbringen, was wir in der musik nie trÃ¤umen kÃ¶nnten, ..." !!! "DAS_GRÃ–SSTE_KUNSTWERK" is nothin' more or less than "the greatest piece of art" in english !!! period !!! i'm not goin' to interpret this for anybody of u , as it surely speaks for itself !!! :-/ that's all i have to say to this topic ... finally !!! however ... greetinx , oh jay ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: KW lists ;-)
by Oh Jay 06 May '02

06 May '02

Enrique wrote : > My question to you is: > How come you hang around a list that does not have a (real) moderator? very simple & also very basic : because this is still the most active list for kw fans in the whole "webwideworld" ... for what reason soever !!! :-o > You seem to be pretty passionate about the subject. damned right , enrique !!! ;-) > Everytime you have the chance to resuscitate it, there you are, > telling the whole world who co-owns other lists > and that this list lacks a moderator. well ... MAYBE one fine day my persistance will be noticed & awake the owner of this list from his hibernation and he or somebody else will take over the "job" as a responsible & also reasonable moderator !!! *G+* ;-) btw : that's also a reason , why i call myself "the dreamer & fool" in certain cases !!! *hehehe* ;-))) > Let it rest already, I'm not interested on your propaganda. ... & i'm certainly NOT @ all interested in your silly replies , mate !!! :-/ IF u have somethin' constructive , interestin' or @ least funny to contribute to this list , than please post it , but otherwise ... jus' SHUT_UP , enrique !!! > I only belong to one KW list... > having to deal with you on one list is enough work for me. *LOL* ;-))) fyi : u can also leave this list , if it comforts u more then , mate !!! *still_LOL_about_u* ;-))) > (coming right up: oh jay's furious reply, stay tuned!) well ... i know that i'm predictable in some cases , but in the end u only got , what u deserve !!! *hehehe* ;-))) btw : u desperately seem to need the daily dose of "oh jay's furious replies" methinks !? *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) however ... many greetinx , oh jay - "the dreamer & fool" ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Karl Bartos and Karlheinz Stockhausen in Stockhol m
by Enrique Correa 06 May '02

06 May '02

I wrote: > What I've heard from him is nothing but noise crap, sort of what Aphex Twin > and Autechre do from time to time, with the only difference that Aphex and > Autechre did in fact recorded several ear candy tunes which I love deeply. > Actually early Kraftwerk also falls into that category (noise crap with a > few exceptions). markus.berzborn(a)t-online.de replied: >> That's what's so nice about this list: the wide spectrum of members and >> opinions. Cheers to that! >> I like early Kraftwerk and ALL Stockhausen recordings. >> They may be noisy, but does noise automatically mean crap? Good point. I recognize that was a sloppy way of putting it. Noise for a few people might be a good thing, for others is not. I respect your taste and opinion. Come to think of it, there is another favorite band of mine that comes up with noisy stuff from time to time: King Crimson, and just like Aphex, Kraftwerk and Autechre, I like them because their songs overwhelmingly exceeds their noisy output, which might be also called songs... but like I said, that's a matter of opinion. E

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