May 2002 - Kraftwerk - mailman.xmission.com

RE: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer
by Nat Heidler 02 May '02

02 May '02

Even odd ramblings and "pointless" blabber is better than nothing. Especially if you live in a part of the country where no one has any idea who Kraftwerk are. Nat Somewhere in Kansas, USA -----Original Message----- From: Rick Jansen [mailto:rja@euronet.nl] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:12 AM To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Rob Evans wrote: > > Wolfgang Fluer wrote: > > >I also wonder what you guys are discussing some times. > >Aren't there other things in your lifes instead of discussing what > >someone in Kraftwerk is probably drinking, for instance, Well said! > Most of the discussions on this list are of a humorous nature. Please > understand that. There is no Kraftwerk album so we have to discuss other > things, yes? No. Can't you just shut up if you have nothing to say? Fluer is absolutely right in my opinion, the amount of babble is astonishing at times. If it weren't for some pure gems at times I would not endure the sheer stupidity of many "discussions", or the many replies that should be sent privately instead of to the list (Oh Jay!). Rick Jansen __ rja(a)euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Kraftwerk digest, Vol 1 #133 - 15 msgs
by omegaChance 02 May '02

02 May '02

Mr. Leo Fisher, Thank you for sending that long peice of shit to my inbox. I already read the last 15 messages, and I didnt even see a response from you in the entire thing. omegaChance _____________________________________ MAIL: Omega(a)herzeleid.net AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 MSN: IAMomegaChance(a)hotmail.com Y!M: IAMomegaChance(a)yahoo.com WEB: http://www.mp3.com/omegaChance _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email(a)yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag

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Re: Kraftwerk digest, Vol 1 #133 - 15 msgs
by leo fisher 02 May '02

02 May '02

>From: kraftwerk-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Kraftwerk digest, Vol 1 #133 - 15 msgs >Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:47:07 -0600 > >Send Kraftwerk mailing list submissions to > kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kraftwerk-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > kraftwerk-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Kraftwerk digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Mark Reed) > 2. Re: Wolfgang's message (Oh Jay) > 3. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Pat Slade) > 4. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Enrique Correa) > 5. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Oh Jay) > 6. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Oh Jay) > 7. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Oh Jay) > 8. Re: Gozilla x Ultraman (Oh Jay) > 9. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Oh Jay) > 10. Detroit '98 Kraftwerk concert poster (resend) (Thomas, Drew) > 11. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Rob Evans) > 12. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Oh Jay) > 13. Another Kraftwerk Tribute CD (Klaus Zaepke) > 14. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Klaus Zaepke) > 15. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Enrique Correa) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Mark Reed" <gentle.anarchist(a)virgin.net> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:37:24 +0100 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >I don't think it is at all homophobic. And there is nothing wrong with >being >homosexual. It is only a "smear" if you yourself are homophobic. > >And besides, I think you'll find it was a joke. > >Goddamit I'm uptight! > >M > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:26 PM >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang > > >Well Oh Jay, Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk >Matten >is a homosexual. You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant and >obvious remark. As someone who has been smeared by my peers over my >sexuality I know full well what this feels like. Should Dirk sue the >homophobic bastard for every euro he has got? > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Cc: <DrewThomas(a)ClearChannel.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Wolfgang's message >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:54:58 +0200 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >From: "Thomas, Drew" <DrewThomas(a)ClearChannel.com> > > > I'm about tired of these whiny former members of bands who curse > > the very vehicle that drove them to success in the FIRST place! > >[ blah ... blah ... blah ... lots of lines of pretty mindless & utterly >unimportant rant was edited out here , because of its annoyance !!! :-/ ] > >dear thomas , > >HOW_STUPID can somebody be & actually quote A_WHOLE_DIGEST_??? *grim* :-/ > >oh ... & thanx a lot for includin' all your pretty (un)important personal >"stuff" below !!! ;-) >WHO_DO_U_WANT_TO_IMPRESS with that , eh ??? :-o >i surely DON'T give a FAQ , who u are ... or think that u are !!! :-/ > > > Drew Thomas, Official Beer Taster and... > > Program Director: > > WMKJ-FM Majic 105 > > > > Announcer: > > WWMG-FM Magic 96.1 Charlotte > > KQOL-FM Kool 93.1 Las Vegas > > WMXL-FM MIX 94.5 Lexington > > > > Office: 859.422.1115 > > Cell: 859.396.7371 > > Pager: 859.244.1281 > > Fax: 859.422.1038 > >imho , your whole reply was NOTHIN'_BUT_UTTER_RUBBISH_!!! *sigh* :-o >anyway ... WELCOME_TO_MY_PERSONAL_KILLFILES , thomas !!! ;-) > >goodbye !!! > >oh jay > >*~\^/~* > > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "Pat Slade" <pslade99(a)hotmail.com> >To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:56:41 -0400 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >I also did not take his remark as homophobic. There was so much discussion >about photos, so I would have made the same exact remark! > >I, for one, was delighted to see a post from Wolfgang. I don't think I've >ever been on a list that a band member has posted on, and it was an >opportunity to hear from an artist from a most amzing band. > >Thank you Wolfgang and to Klaus for facilitating this message. > >pat > > > >From: "Mark Reed" <gentle.anarchist(a)virgin.net> > >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang > >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:37:24 +0100 > > > >I don't think it is at all homophobic. And there is nothing wrong with > >being > >homosexual. It is only a "smear" if you yourself are homophobic. > > > >And besides, I think you'll find it was a joke. > > > >Goddamit I'm uptight! > > > >M > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> > >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:26 PM > >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang > > > > > >Well Oh Jay, Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk > >Matten > >is a homosexual. You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant and > >obvious remark. As someone who has been smeared by my peers over my > >sexuality I know full well what this feels like. Should Dirk sue the > >homophobic bastard for every euro he has got? > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Kraftwerk mailing list > >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: Enrique Correa <ENRIQUEC(a)heraeusmtd.com> >To: 'KW' <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:03:19 -0700 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >Wolfgang wrote: > > You in U.S. seem to be especially inhibited there, aren't you? > >Eric Gartner impeccably answered: > >> That's a terrible stereotype, Wolfgang! The USA is a large and > >> diverse place... > >I couldn't agree with you more! > >Rick Jansen (from rja(a)euronet.nl, wherever that might be) wrote: > >No. Can't you just shut up if you have nothing to say? > >Fluer is absolutely right in my opinion, the amount of > >babble is astonishing at times. [...] > >Rob Evans answered: > > That is a very American response, if you don't mind me saying. > > You think only certain people should be entitled to speak. > >Talking about stereotypes... I don't agree with you. Freedom of speech is >one of the many freedoms the Bill of Rights gives people in our >Constitution. As a matter of fact, everyone in the world should be entitled >to their opinion, even dear old Wolfgang. Don't agreeing with it is another >thing, but at least voices should be heard without restrictions. Come to >think of it, you had more troubles in this list with European members than >with Americans, am I correct? Same with Wolfgang, but then again, he >doesn't miss a chance to throw a poisoned arrow to this side of the >world... >(read the first sentence of this e-mail). > >oh jay wrote: > > fyi : if i would be the owner or moderator of this list , i would > > IMMEDIATELY ban u FOR_A_LIFETIME from this list > >Rest my case. 1984 will make a good reading if you haven't already. >If you want to play Big Brother, go live in Cuba or some'. Please let >freedom flow at ease in here and try to stay away from agitating peoples >feelings if you can. Thank you. > >Wolfgang wrote: > > This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every page >[...] > >Klaus Zaepke, do you agree with him? I know you don't. > >Dirk answered: > > I got this from Ralf & Florian AND Conny Plank, perhaps these > > persons don't tell the truth. Sorry, if I was wrong. > >For what I can tell, Ralf and Florian only want people to see what they >want >to show. Religion and government sure comes to mind, but that's a whole >different issue... or is it? Do as I say, not as I do... > >Thomas, Drew wrote: > > I'm about tired of these whiny former members of bands who curse > > the very vehicle that drove them to success in the FIRST place! > > Hey Wolf, if it wasn't for Kraftwerk you'd be a nobody; DEAL with it! > > Don't blame Kraftwerk because nobody bought in to your whole > > Yamo thing. > >Speaking of whiners, dear Tom... >I don't think Wolfie tries to blame anything on anybody, all he did in his >book is show the other side of the band, the human side, the side Ralf and >Florian want to hide from the public eye. Also, he wanted to set the record >straight; he told the world where some credits truly belong. I'm pretty >sure >you'd be pissed if somebody else takes credit for one of your ideas. Not >everyone reacts the same. You probably won't care, and I respect that. He >wrote a book about it, and I respect that too. Is that too hard to >understand? Thankfully, the judge on this case got it right, and gave >Wolfie >a pad on the back, instead of a fine. > >Enrique > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:07:23 +0200 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >From: "Eric Gartner" <kraftwerk(a)mac.com> > > > Sounds like the ingredients for a perpetual Kraftwerk flame war... > > Delicious every minute! > >*ROTFLMAO* ;-))) > > > Even Oh Jay would be left with nothing to say in the face of > > such epic battles! > >fyi : u can be assured , dear eric & ev'rybody else here too that i'll >speak up >soon ... if there's somethin' to add to this pretty interestin' discussion >!!! >*slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) >no matter , who's goin' to like or dislike it or if u love or hate me >therefore >thereafter !!! *BWG* ;-))) > >however ... many greetinx , > >oh jay , who thinks that dear wolfi had the guts to say & write , what ralf >& >florian were still afraid of ... & therefore they only resorted to sue him >... >for most likely tellin' simply THE_TRUTH in his book & elsewhere !!! *sigh* >:-o > >*~\^/~* > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:16:06 +0200 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > ... or the many replies that should be sent privately > > instead of to the list (Oh Jay!). > > > > Rick Jansen > >look , who's talkin' !!! *LOL* ;-))) >may i ask u kindly to follow your own "rules" first , before u're goin' to >tell >others , what to do , dear rick ??? *G+* ;-) > >however ... greetinx , > >oh jay , who still ISN'T afraid of replyin' on the list to comments that >were >also made about him on the list !!! *BWG* ;-))) > >p. s. : if u REALLY want to discuss anythin' with me privately , then >simply >mail me privately !!! ;-) >very simple , but also very basic !!! *sly_grin* ;-) > >*~\^/~* > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:23:49 +0200 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> > > > Dirk, could you provide a translation of this e-mail from Wolfgang? > >better NOT , as this message of wolfi was VERY_CLEARLY a PRIVATE message >ONLY to >dirki that was sent here surely WITHOUT any permission of its original >sender , >which is a clear VIOLATION of ANY applicable laws & common netiquette , of >which >dirki should be deeply ashamed of !!! *sigh* :-o > >however ... greetinx , > >oh jay , who supports wolfi & thinks that dirk is still a jerk !!! :-/ > >*~\^/~* > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Gozilla x Ultraman >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:46:48 +0200 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >From: "Nicolau Centola" <ncentola(a)terra.com.br> > > > Yes, we could watch nice battles, like Gozilla x Ultraman > > and some other delicious battles. > > Please bring the popcorn and beers.... > >hm ... isn't is somehow interestin' to see the same person , who once >condemned >ALL "flame wars" or "battles" here , by now openly welcomes them ... as >long as >HE isn't involved in it & can sit back , relax & drink his beer & munch his >popcorn ??? *slyest_grin* ;-))) > >oh well ... sometimes the "virtual" world is becomin' even "stranger than >fiction" !!! *G+* ;-) > >however ... many greetinx , > >oh jay , who's the "impudence" ( once again ;-) to take the position of >"spiderman" in this web ... err ... debate !!! *hehehe* ;-))) > >*~\^/~* > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:56:15 +0200 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> > > > Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk Matten > > is a homosexual. > >*LOL* ;-))) >that's A_LOAD_OF_UTTER_RUBBISH & only due to such a bad translation of >whoever >FAILED to accurately translate wolfi's PRIVATE message to dirki here !!! >*sigh* >:-o > > > You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant > > and obvious remark. > >nope , NOT_AT_ALL , because I_KNOW & understand wolfi's german sense of >humor >VERY_WELL , dear rob !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) > > > As someone who has been smeared by my peers > > over my sexuality I know full well what this feels like. > >HUH_??? *indeed_somehow_very_puzzled_look* :-o >what the heck are u talkin' about here , rob ??? :-o >i really DON'T get your twist in this case , sorry mate !!! *sigh* :-o > > > Should Dirk sue the homophobic bastard for every euro he has got? > >well ... that particular sentence surely ISN'T even worth a reply from me >!!! >:-/ > >however ... greetinx , > >oh jay , who's actually quite happy that he can understand german & english >!!! >*G+* ;-) > >*~\^/~* > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >From: "Thomas, Drew" <DrewThomas(a)ClearChannel.com> >To: "'kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com'" <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:55:33 -0500 >Subject: [Kraftwerk] Detroit '98 Kraftwerk concert poster (resend) >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >Does anyone know if there were ever any concert posters made for >Kraftwerk's >Detroit '98 concert? I've checked ebay and at klingklang but no luck. >Thanks for your help in advance! > >Drew Thomas, Official Beer Taster and... >Program Director: >WMKJ-FM Majic 105 > >Announcer: >WWMG-FM Magic 96.1 Charlotte >KQOL-FM Kool 93.1 Las Vegas >WMXL-FM MIX 94.5 Lexington > >Office: 859.422.1115 >Cell: 859.396.7371 >Pager: 859.244.1281 >Fax: 859.422.1038 > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> >To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:13:34 +0100 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > >I don't think it is at all homophobic. And there is nothing wrong with > >being > >homosexual. It is only a "smear" if you yourself are homophobic. > > > >And besides, I think you'll find it was a joke. > > > >Goddamit I'm uptight! > >It is very difficult to tell jokes in e-mails unless they are explained. It >is possible that the entire e-mail was light-hearted, but more likely that >it was a threatening e-mail, therefore I doubt if that is a joke at the end >of it, that would make no sense. > >I am not homophobic, I am very liberal. > >Rob. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 12 >From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:25:11 +0200 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > >From: "Enrique Correa" <ENRIQUEC(a)heraeusmtd.com> > > > 1984 will make a good reading if you haven't already. > >i have already !!! ;-) > > > If you want to play Big Brother, go live in Cuba or some'. > >why should i ??? ;-) >fyi : i only told dirki EXPLICITLY what i think about him & his >VERY_PITIFUL >(re)actions here ... & btw : removin' & bannin' trolls & troublemakers like >him >, who are very obviously ONLY interested in shameless self-promotion , >PURE_LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION is THE_GIVEN_RIGHT of ev'ry responsible & >reasonable >list owner & moderator , of which this list sadly has NONE_!!! >*very_deep_sigh* >:-o > > > Please let freedom flow at ease in here > >oh yeah ... "the freedom of LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION" !!! *grim* :-/ >i'm really sorry mate , but if u indeed support that kind of "freedom" here >, u >better go & see a shrink ASAP & take your medication RIGHT_NOW_!!! *sigh* >:-o > > > and try to stay away from agitating peoples feelings if you can. > > Thank you. > >fyi : the person , who started all this mindless rubbish here was nobody >else >than dirki & to tell u the truth ... i surely WON'T stay away from >criticizin' >him UNTIL_HE_STOPS to spread his PURE_LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION here !!! >PERIOD_!!! >if u don't get this , mate ... it's your very own problem , sorry !!! :-/ >people should FINALLY see & understand , where the borders between some >funny >banterin' & some pitiful LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION were crossed & CHASTISE those , >who >are GUILTY of this NOT_AT_ALL funny VIOLATION of laws , terms of service & >common netiquette !!! *sigh* :-o >THANK_U_!!! > >oh jay , who's really "NOT amused" about how narrow-minded some people here >seem >to be , when it comes to seein' & also ACCEPTIN' the FACTS_!!! >*very_deep_sigh* >:-o > >*~\^/~* > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 13 >From: "Klaus Zaepke" <Klaus.Zaepke(a)gmx.net> >To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:25:03 +0000 >Subject: [Kraftwerk] Another Kraftwerk Tribute CD >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >I think this one hasn't been mentioned here before?: > >"The Radioactive Tribute To Kraftwerk" >CD, Wagram Music, New Mantra, 3075002, WAG 329, NM020302 >01. The Robots (Senor Coconut) 5:07" >02. The Model (Hikashu) 3:08" >03. Computer Love (Teruo Nakano) 4:09" >04. Dentaku (Tsukuba Mix) 4:53" >05. Showroom Dummies (Senor Coconut) 5:30" >06. Taschenrechner (Dhiva) 3:56" >07. Music non stop (re M.N.S.) (Hajime Fukuma (P-Model)) 5:49" >08. Radio Activity (Hikashu) 7:10" >09. Atem/Harmonika (Kimitaka Matsumae) 3:08" >10. Tour de France (Dhiva vs. Skibby) 2:56" >11. Europe Endless (including Franz Schubert and Neon Lights) (Makato > Inoue) 4:20" >12. It's More Fun To Compute (Takkyu Ishino Tachano Funk) 7:37" >13. Trans Europa Express (Senor Coconut) 5:56" >14. Autobahn (Buffalo Daughter) 7:53" > > Klaus Zaepke > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 14 >From: "Klaus Zaepke" <Klaus.Zaepke(a)gmx.net> >To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:25:03 +0000 >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >Nicolau Centola wrote: > > > A nice idea could be Mr. Fl=FCr be included in our list. Yes, I know > > maybe he wouldn't like to make public his address, but he could > > create another electronic address, as a free one like Yahoo or > > Hotmail, just to post and receive our messages. It would be > > fantastic if we could have his points of view about our favourite > > band, don't you think? Klaus, you could give this idea to him... > >I already suggested this as an alternative for forwarding his >message, but he didn't like the idea. > > >Eric Gartner wrote: > > > This would be intriguing, and it would be very useful to have > > Wolfgang as a point of reference for some of the questions that > > occasionally arise. Of course, he may have better ways to spend his > > time... > >Yes, that was the reason... > > >Enrique Correa wrote: > > > > Wolfgang wrote: > > > This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every > > > page > > [...] > > > > Klaus Zaepke, do you agree with him? I know you don't. > >Er, let me put it this way: I believe that he wrote everything in his >book in good faith. > > Klaus Zaepke > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 15 >From: Enrique Correa <ENRIQUEC(a)heraeusmtd.com> >To: 'KW' <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:44:49 -0700 >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >I wrote: > > Please let freedom flow at ease in here > >oh jay answered: > > oh yeah ... "the freedom of LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION" !!! *grim* :-/ > > i'm really sorry mate , but if u indeed support that kind of "freedom" > > here [...] > >I support freedom period and saying what you think and believe in, is a big >part of it. Wolfgang and Dirk have their own believes and they are entitled >to express them freely, as long as they don't step into forbidden >territory, >everything should be OK. I know there's a fine line between what should be >allowed or not, and since we are all mature people here, the right to >decide >what's legitimate to say or not should be left at the speakers will, agree? > >I feel extremely lucky to be in a position where I can read Wolfgang's and >Dirk's believes. I might agree with them or not, but hey that's not the >point here. The point is letting people express themselves, whether they >are >right or not, in fact Dirk even said here: "I got this from Ralf & Florian >AND Conny Plank, perhaps these persons don't tell the truth. Sorry, if I >was >wrong ..." so you see, even he can admit the possibility of making a >mistake. > >I know Dirk and Wolfgang are both thankful at having a chance to express >themselves here. >oh jay, please don't try to take away the very thing that makes a >discussion >list like this one a valuable one. > > > u better go & see a shrink ASAP & take your medication RIGHT_NOW_!!! >[...] > >Boy, you sure know how to stir up people's nerves. If I keep reading your >hostile posts, I might end up taking some sort of medication after all. >Just >kidding (...felt like I had to point that out :-) > >Enrique > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Kraftwerk mailing list >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk >I really don't care for all your griping & crying & fighting could >u all just discuss KW & the music only. Leo U.S.A. >End of Kraftwerk Digest _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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No battles
by Nicolau Centola 02 May '02

02 May '02

My answer to the list, and I'm sure they understood it, is my previous mail was a nice joke about having all 4 KW discussing here in our list (pay attetion to the word OUR, the list is owned by everyone). My answer to Mr. Oh Jay is just silence. I promissed myself not answer to him anymore, doesn't matter how far he could go (and he can, as you know). Sorry guys, I would not like to extend this specific topic here. Please, send me private mails to answer for this topic. peace for all Nicolau > Yes, we could watch nice battles, like Gozilla x Ultraman > and some other delicious battles. > Please bring the popcorn and beers.... hm ... isn't is somehow interestin' to see the same person , who once condemned ALL "flame wars" or "battles" here , by now openly welcomes them ... as long as HE isn't involved in it & can sit back , relax & drink his beer & munch his popcorn ??? *slyest_grin* ;-))) oh well ... sometimes the "virtual" world is becomin' even "stranger than fiction" !!! *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay , who's the "impudence" ( once again ;-) to take the position of "spiderman" in this web ... err ... debate !!! *hehehe* ;-)))

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messages
by Nicolau Centola 02 May '02

02 May '02

I made mine your words, Enrique: >>>>Talking about stereotypes... I don't agree with you. Freedom of speech is one of the many freedoms the Bill of Rights gives people in our Constitution. As a matter of fact, everyone in the world should be entitled to their opinion, even dear old Wolfgang. Don't agreeing with it is another thing, but at least voices should be heard without restrictions. Come to think of it, you had more troubles in this list with European members than with Americans, am I correct? Same with Wolfgang, but then again, he doesn't miss a chance to throw a poisoned arrow to this side of the world... I totaly agree with you about respect the diferent points of view. oh jay wrote: > fyi : if i would be the owner or moderator of this list , i would > IMMEDIATELY ban u FOR_A_LIFETIME from this list >>>>Rest my case. 1984 will make a good reading if you haven't already. If you want to play Big Brother, go live in Cuba or some'. Please let freedom flow at ease in here and try to stay away from agitating peoples feelings if you can. Thank you. Again you got the point, Enrique. Do not respect other people will bring much more intolerance to the world. And everybody knows we have A LOT of this!! Please, people, keep calm. You can think that other people are stupid, but please, do not post it. Private mails, please. We are here to discuss several aspects of life (not only KW), not to personal attacks. Otherwise, everyone has the right to have your own point of view. I don't agree with many of you, guys, but it's just my opinion. Wolfgang wrote: > This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every page Klaus Zaepke, do you agree with him? I know you don't. Mr. FlÃ¼r just gave his point of view. It would be interesting if we should hear the other side (R&F). I would love it, don't you? By the way, I LOVE Yamo album. Much more than Mr. Bartos releases. Actually I like it like any KW album. Yamo didn't sell anything? Poor boys... KW didn't sell much too... Electric Cafe was a floppy, and it's a wonderful album. Anyway, it's just my opinion again. peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br

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Best reading
by Nicolau Centola 02 May '02

02 May '02

Hi guys, just a tip. Please, when you reply a message to the list, delete the previous messages. I'm a little bit tired to re-receive the long Wolfgang letter... By the way, I receive just the digest, so I have to scroll a lot to read the next message. Thanks a lot for your attention. peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br

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Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer
by Rob Evans 02 May '02

02 May '02

Wolfgang Fluer wrote: >I wish to clear some vagueness which go through this list since >my book is out. I also wonder what you guys are discussing some times. >Aren't there other things in your lifes instead of discussing what >someone in Kraftwerk is probably drinking, for instance, or what it >has to mean, when we put flowers in our hair in the middle of the >seventies and took photos from us? What's so dammned gripping on >that? Kraftwerk members with naked upper bodies under a garden >shower, wouw! Most of the discussions on this list are of a humorous nature. Please understand that. There is no Kraftwerk album so we have to discuss other things, yes? Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Another Kraftwerk Tribute CD
by Klaus Zaepke 02 May '02

02 May '02

I think this one hasn't been mentioned here before?: "The Radioactive Tribute To Kraftwerk" CD, Wagram Music, New Mantra, 3075002, WAG 329, NM020302 01. The Robots (Senor Coconut) 5:07" 02. The Model (Hikashu) 3:08" 03. Computer Love (Teruo Nakano) 4:09" 04. Dentaku (Tsukuba Mix) 4:53" 05. Showroom Dummies (Senor Coconut) 5:30" 06. Taschenrechner (Dhiva) 3:56" 07. Music non stop (re M.N.S.) (Hajime Fukuma (P-Model)) 5:49" 08. Radio Activity (Hikashu) 7:10" 09. Atem/Harmonika (Kimitaka Matsumae) 3:08" 10. Tour de France (Dhiva vs. Skibby) 2:56" 11. Europe Endless (including Franz Schubert and Neon Lights) (Makato Inoue) 4:20" 12. It's More Fun To Compute (Takkyu Ishino Tachano Funk) 7:37" 13. Trans Europa Express (Senor Coconut) 5:56" 14. Autobahn (Buffalo Daughter) 7:53" Klaus Zaepke

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Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer
by Enrique Correa 02 May '02

02 May '02

Wolfgang wrote: > You in U.S. seem to be especially inhibited there, aren't you? Eric Gartner impeccably answered: >> That's a terrible stereotype, Wolfgang! The USA is a large and >> diverse place... I couldn't agree with you more! Rick Jansen (from rja(a)euronet.nl, wherever that might be) wrote: >No. Can't you just shut up if you have nothing to say? >Fluer is absolutely right in my opinion, the amount of >babble is astonishing at times. [...] Rob Evans answered: > That is a very American response, if you don't mind me saying. > You think only certain people should be entitled to speak. Talking about stereotypes... I don't agree with you. Freedom of speech is one of the many freedoms the Bill of Rights gives people in our Constitution. As a matter of fact, everyone in the world should be entitled to their opinion, even dear old Wolfgang. Don't agreeing with it is another thing, but at least voices should be heard without restrictions. Come to think of it, you had more troubles in this list with European members than with Americans, am I correct? Same with Wolfgang, but then again, he doesn't miss a chance to throw a poisoned arrow to this side of the world... (read the first sentence of this e-mail). oh jay wrote: > fyi : if i would be the owner or moderator of this list , i would > IMMEDIATELY ban u FOR_A_LIFETIME from this list Rest my case. 1984 will make a good reading if you haven't already. If you want to play Big Brother, go live in Cuba or some'. Please let freedom flow at ease in here and try to stay away from agitating peoples feelings if you can. Thank you. Wolfgang wrote: > This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every page [...] Klaus Zaepke, do you agree with him? I know you don't. Dirk answered: > I got this from Ralf & Florian AND Conny Plank, perhaps these > persons don't tell the truth. Sorry, if I was wrong. For what I can tell, Ralf and Florian only want people to see what they want to show. Religion and government sure comes to mind, but that's a whole different issue... or is it? Do as I say, not as I do... Thomas, Drew wrote: > I'm about tired of these whiny former members of bands who curse > the very vehicle that drove them to success in the FIRST place! > Hey Wolf, if it wasn't for Kraftwerk you'd be a nobody; DEAL with it! > Don't blame Kraftwerk because nobody bought in to your whole > Yamo thing. Speaking of whiners, dear Tom... I don't think Wolfie tries to blame anything on anybody, all he did in his book is show the other side of the band, the human side, the side Ralf and Florian want to hide from the public eye. Also, he wanted to set the record straight; he told the world where some credits truly belong. I'm pretty sure you'd be pissed if somebody else takes credit for one of your ideas. Not everyone reacts the same. You probably won't care, and I respect that. He wrote a book about it, and I respect that too. Is that too hard to understand? Thankfully, the judge on this case got it right, and gave Wolfie a pad on the back, instead of a fine. Enrique

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang
by Rob Evans 02 May '02

02 May '02

>I don't think it is at all homophobic. And there is nothing wrong with >being >homosexual. It is only a "smear" if you yourself are homophobic. > >And besides, I think you'll find it was a joke. > >Goddamit I'm uptight! It is very difficult to tell jokes in e-mails unless they are explained. It is possible that the entire e-mail was light-hearted, but more likely that it was a threatening e-mail, therefore I doubt if that is a joke at the end of it, that would make no sense. I am not homophobic, I am very liberal. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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