September 2003 - KLF - mailman.xmission.com

Re: [KLF] elections are a crock o shit
by Simon House 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

he's right, there is no 'opinion' or 'i think' about the sham that is the US election. I cant be arsed to explain why but if you really wanna know check out michael moore's stupid white men. Its bollox, as are most elections. Say only 40% of people go to vote and only 25% of them vote for the party that 'wins', right thats 25% putting like 100 people in charge of millions of us! If 60% of people dont vote then no government should win, like on Brewsters Millions 'vote for none of the above'! > > > >>>artists don't know exactly which persons in their audience need the >>>lecture - presumably, the ones that don't need it shouldn't mind >>>hearing it again, out of recognition that the word needs to get around >>> >>>so, if one doesn't want to be lectured like a child, one should stop >>>acting like one >>> >> >>Please, you have such a one-sided negative view of the US and world that I >>don't think you have the right to explain why artists do such things. > > >please explain where you have found ANY evidence that I have a "negative" >view of the US and the world > >when I call the current administration of the US unelected, that's not >opinion, that's fact > >maybe deep down inside you KNOW it's wrong, but can't bring yourself to say >it out loud to your fellow republikans > >but I certainly haven't said until now that anyone who supports the US >constitution, by definition, would have to consider the current unelected >regime to be "wrong" > >PLUS - what would ANY view one has of the US have to do with one's ability >to explain why artists create? let alone, their "RIGHT" to explain it?? > >how about sticking to the actual discussion: > >if you don't want to be "criticized for what you believe" then take a good >hard look at what you "believe" and what you support > >because if you can't stand criticism to the point where you think you're >above it or beyond it, then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM > > >>I guess what i'm trying to say is it's one thing to express one's opinions >>about a particular issue in thier music, but it's another thing to basicly >>change the focus of their project into slamming whatever's the hot topic >>and expecting the fanbase to just accept it and agree. > > >basically the answer I predicted in KLF Digest, Vol 7, Issue 38: "I just >demand that the artist I like read my mind and give some warning that >something I don't like is coming" > >;) > > >_______________________________________________ >KLF mailing list >KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Re: [KLF] Re: re:Paul McCunty
by Simon House 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

did you know paul mcnarty was replaced with a 'look a like' around the time lennon was shot? Check out the photos. ITS TRUE I TELL YOU! how else can go you explain the frog song? maybe the same happened with Cauty hence Solid Gold Chartbusters? > > > there's a couple problems with that example, however (besides the > > obvious "not that he ever did this") > > > I mean, would someone interested in mccartney really be surprised by a > > veggie lecture, considering the mccartneys used to have a line of > > veggie meals available at your local grocer? > >Since it came up I'll note something I thought about after making my post: > >McCartney, for example, can give a PETA benefit concert, or do a speech at >a >fundraiser, etc. No problem there. He can write a song about animal >rights. >No problem. He can perform said song at a concert, even preface it by >introducing it as something he feels strongly about and hopes the audience >will think >about it. No problem. He could also put a two page spread in his program >with a coupon for donations to PETA. Still no problem. > >But, if you pay to see him in concert you would expect to be entertained. >If >he were to stop mid show and give a 20 minute speech on animal rights I >would >think he crossed the line. If I wanted that then I would have attended a >benefit concert for PETA or what have you. > >Personally I, and many others, thought he was pushing it when during the >retrospective film shown before his 89 and 93 tours he added a 90-120 >second >sequence of animals getting tested on and tortured to Helter Skelter. But >really >that was the end of it so ok. > >However, if the artist is politically minded, such as Zappa for example, I >wouldn't be surprised if he stopped to tell me how evil he thought current >politicans are. I would expect that so wouldn't be as offended. > >That's at least my opinion on it. I didn't pay to be lectured so you could >argue he "took" my money then lectured me -- which is what I think Dan was >trying to say. > >Thinking about it, tho, perhaps Dan meant in a wider view. Like turning on >the tv and seeing Barbara Streisand telling me to lose the clothes dryer >and >hang my clothes to dry on a line in the backyard and conserve energy. Sure >she >has a right to do that, but we as the public also have the right to yell at >the tv screen "aw shut the hell up." > >-paul >_______________________________________________ >KLF mailing list >KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Re: Re: [KLF] Re: mccartney and streisand (!)
by thomas＠klf.de 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

Simon House <toptings(a)hotmail.com> schrieb am 18.09.2003, 15:12:39: > errrr if ya wanna be picky well shooting shit about some crap remix while > millions are starving and being murdered because of governments and > companies of OUR countries is more insulting than any spam or whatever you > wanna call it Just for the record - have YOU ever tried to do something against the things you pilloried in your earlier mails ? Except selling other people's material on eBay, I mean...

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Re: [KLF] Re: mccartney and streisand (!)
by Simon House 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

errrr if ya wanna be picky well shooting shit about some crap remix while millions are starving and being murdered because of governments and companies of OUR countries is more insulting than any spam or whatever you wanna call it. No one likes to really know whats what cos its far too depressing. Fuck barbara striesand. > > >High-jacking this list and assuming that we are ignorant and/or eager to >read SPAM is naïve, ideological, and insulting > >absolutely. it's misguided guerilla ontology. but it's certainly livened >the place up, hasn't it? > >t >-- >__________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com >http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > >CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search >http://corp.mail.com/careers > > >_______________________________________________ >KLF mailing list >KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

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Posting Guidelines
by Thug 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

Everybody who has an opinion on what is and isn't on-topic, or just what is generally acceptable on this list, should look here: http://www.studio-nibble.com/lists/guidelines.html These are Lazlo's own guidelines, and even though he no longer actively moderates this list, he is still the kind provider of the service we all use, and as such HIS opinions are the ones we need to bow to most. And hey people, if you disagree with what Lazlo's posted, don't come back ranting to the list with 500 words of hyperbole over freedom of expression or whatever. Just say to yourself "those guidelines don't apply to me, I'm special" and continue as you always have. We don't expect any better from you anyway. Michael

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what was posted that actually concerned the klf this week
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

> could some one post with a > subject line of "what was posted that actually concerned the klf this week" > ;-) I have taken part in this lengthy discussion because I felt it *was* on topic. Why? Cauty, via Blacksmoke is making political statements via his music. The discussion has been about artists and if they should or shouldnt be making political statements (or at least trying to push their opnions on us) and if the consumer has to put up with it or not. While the discussion was not solely regarding Blacksmoke the two are related. I would consider Blacksmoke a political band. However, someone posting a lengthy article about how Bush allowed the 9-11 attacks to happen to forward his megalomaniac agenda has nothing to do with Blacksmoke, the KLF, music or anything. By that poster's own admission, he posted it because he felt it was important. -paul Currently in rotation: Frank Zappa - Cheap Thrills Enigma - Voyager (advance); Apollo 440 - Dude Descending a Staicase; Proclaimers - Born Innocent

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ot
by gene.c 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

its funny that those doing most complaining about the ot 911 stuff are those doing most of the ot arguing about wether mcartney should talk veggie at his concerts .lol.hows this to do with klf ,naughty naughty. power crazy bullying hypocrites if ya ask me.

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Re: [KLF] RE: [OT] Re: mccartney and streisand (!)
by thomas＠klf.de 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

> Thomas, by using the cancer analogy (which i take to be a negative comment) > are you suggesting that you would prefer the list to be barely registering a > pulse. Not really, but I would like to come home after an evening at the cinema and NOT have to dig through 30+ emails of the same discussions over and over again, person x flaming person y for not believing in theory z and so on. The small rain of OT posts have become a flood of reiterations with the same people ruminating their point of view. I will be in London the whole next week, and it already sends a cold shiver down my spine when I think of my Outlook's inbox...

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[OT] The whole artists rights to poiticals views debate
by Martin Bradbury 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

Heres something new then. The point is, for years artists of various kinds have not had the freedom of expression that they have now (its not completely liberal now but more so than 10 years ago). In the late 80's we had NWA's Fuck The Police thing and the Public Enemy Professor Griff thing as well as Pepsi pussying out of the Madonna deal. Then in the 90's we had the 2 Live Crew case, Ice T's Copkiller thing and the Bill Hicks' final Letterman appearance being cut. People still blame artists for all sorts of thing but the authorities havnt got the same power to censor (or at least they dont do it so often) as they used to. The "Judas Priest Suicide" case wouldnt get the time of day in the year 2003. Apart from the attempted censoring of Moore's "Stupid White Men" I cant think of a recent one and in the end it still got released, as did "Smack My Bitch Up", as did Manson's and Eminem's new records. So after all the shit over the last 40 years, I think artists should be allowed to say whatever they want.

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Re: [KLF] Something actually relevant to this list about 9/11
by Phil Smith 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

A poem for the U.S.A. A MOMENT OF SILENCE, BEFORE I START THIS POEM Before I start this poem, I'd like to ask you to join me In a moment of silence In honor of those who died in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon last September 11th. I would also like to ask you To offer up a moment of silence For all of those who have been harassed, imprisoned, disappeared, tortured, raped, or killed in retaliation for those strikes, For the victims in both Afghanistan and the U.S. And if I could just add one more thing... A full day of silence For the tens of thousands of Palestinians who have died at the hands of U.S.-backed Israeli forces over decades of occupation. Six months of silence for the million and-a-half Iraqi people, mostly children, who have died of malnourishment or starvation as a result of an 11-year U.S. embargo against the country. Before I begin this poem, Two months of silence for the Blacks under Apartheid in South Africa, Where homeland security made them aliens in their own country. Nine months of silence for the dead in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Where death rained down and peeled back every layer of concrete, steel, earth and skin And the survivors went on as if alive. A year of silence for the millions of dead in Vietnam - a people, not a war - for those who know a thing or two about the scent of burning fuel, their relatives' bones buried in it, their babies born of it. A year of silence for the dead in Cambodia and Laos, victims of a secret war ... ssssshhhhh.... Say nothing ... we don't want them to learn that they are dead. Two months of silence for the decades of dead in Colombia, Whose names, like the corpses they once represented, have piled up and slipped off our tongues. Before I begin this poem. An hour of silence for El Salvador ... An afternoon of silence for Nicaragua ... Two days of silence for the Guatemaltecos ... None of whom ever knew a moment of peace in their living years. 45 seconds of silence for the 45 dead at Acteal, Chiapas 25 years of silence for the hundred million Africans who found their graves far deeper in the ocean than any building could poke into the sky. There will be no DNA testing or dental records to identify their remains. And for those who were strung and swung from the heights of sycamore trees in the south, the north, the east, and the west... 100 years of silence... For the hundreds of millions of indigenous peoples from this half of right here, Whose land and lives were stolen, In postcard-perfect plots like Pine Ridge, Wounded Knee, Sand Creek, Fallen Timbers, or the Trail of Tears. Names now reduced to innocuous magnetic poetry on the refrigerator of our consciousness ... So you want a moment of silence? And we are all left speechless Our tongues snatched from our mouths Our eyes stapled shut A moment of silence And the poets have all been laid to rest The drums disintegrating into dust. Before I begin this poem, You want a moment of silence You mourn now as if the world will never be the same And the rest of us hope to hell it won't be. Not like it always has been. Because this is not a 9/11 poem. This is a 9/10 poem, It is a 9/9 poem, A 9/8 poem, A 9/7 poem This is a 1492 poem. This is a poem about what causes poems like this to be written. And if this is a 9/11 poem, then: This is a September 11th poem for Chile, 1971. This is a September 12th poem for Steven Biko in South Africa, 1977. This is a September 13th poem for the brothers at Attica Prison, New York, 1971. This is a September 14th poem for Somalia, 1992. This is a poem for every date that falls to the ground in ashes This is a poem for the 110 stories that were never told The 110 stories that history chose not to write in textbooks The 110 stories that CNN, BBC, The New York Times, and Newsweek ignored. This is a poem for interrupting this program. And still you want a moment of silence for your dead? We could give you lifetimes of empty: The unmarked graves The lost languages The uprooted trees and histories The dead stares on the faces of nameless children Before I start this poem we could be silent forever Or just long enough to hunger, For the dust to bury us And you would still ask us For more of our silence. If you want a moment of silence Then stop the oil pumps Turn off the engines and the televisions Sink the cruise ships Crash the stock markets Unplug the marquee lights, Delete the instant messages, Derail the trains, the light rail transit. If you want a moment of silence, put a brick through the window of Taco Bell, And pay the workers for wages lost. Tear down the liquor stores, The townhouses, the White Houses, the jailhouses, the Penthouses and the Playboys. If you want a moment of silence, Then take it On Super Bowl Sunday, The Fourth of July During Dayton's 13 hour sale Or the next time your white guilt fills the room where my beautiful people have gathered. You want a moment of silence Then take it NOW, Before this poem begins. Here, in the echo of my voice, In the pause between goosesteps of the second hand, In the space between bodies in embrace, Here is your silence. Take it. But take it all...Don't cut in line. Let your silence begin at the beginning of crime. But we, Tonight we will keep right on singing...For our dead. EMMANUEL ORTIZ, 11 Sep 2002. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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