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Fractint RAM/Disk mode
by Marc Schreier 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

Dear Fractint users, recently I had the same problem with my GF3Ti and the most interesting video modes that don't work. But: the good old VGA modes and some SVGA modes still work, you have to find out which on your system. Say your machine works well @ 1024x768. Then find an interesting fractal region and then use a RAM/Disk video mode. Remember, Fractint can do images of 4096x4096 like this!!! QAll you have to do is to edit the FRACTINT.CFG and to add your favorite image size. Regards Marc

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FOTD 19-10-02 (Atomic Atom [4])
by Jim Muth 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

FOTD -- October 19, 2002 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Mandelbrot midgets are sometimes called atoms. Today's image shows one of these atoms, this one in the fractal that results when a negative portion of Z^1.5 is mixed with half as much negative Z^3, and 1/C is added. But this is not all bad, for though the portions are negative, the result is positive. The atom (midget) at the center is the center of attention. It lies in a spiral in a broad blunt valley of the parent fractal, which is a monstrously bloated, oversized thing that cannot be described, and must be seen to be believed. No wonder I named the image "Atomic Atom". When considering what rating I should give the image, I was struck by the fact that, despite the generating formula and grotesque shape of the parent fractal, today's scene could easily lie in the classic Mandelbrot set. It contains little that cannot be found in the well-known East Valley area of the M-set. I could therefore rate it no higher than a 4, which is only a little below average. And now I must make a confession. I actually had found a far better fractal for today's FOTD, but in my haste I shut down the program without saving the image or parameters, and the image went back to that vast reservoir where undiscovered fractals exist. Oh well, no one is perfect. The render time of 7 minutes from the parameter file is a bit slow, but still reasonable, especially considering that it's Saturday, when many are off from work. And as always, the completed GIF image will promptly be available on Paul's FOTD web site at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and on Scott's site at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The weather Friday here at Fractal Central was a splendid example of Autumn in this part of the world -- deep blue skies filled with fluffy white clouds, invigorating north winds, and a temperature of 59F 15C. The dynamic duo of fractal cats voiced their approval by getting into a noisy quarrel on the porch in the afternoon. Only they know what they started fighting about, but common sense prevailed, and the affair ended before blows were struck. Today is starting cloudy however. I'd better give the grass one final trimming before rain starts to fall. Until tomorrow, take care, and continue taking care. Jim Muth jamth(a)mindspring.com jimmuth(a)aol.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Atomic_Atom { ; time=0:07:09.46--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.48448032436812880/+0.442663060375871\ 70/5.796793e+009/1/170/-5.33961781627040333e-006 params=-1.4/1.5/-0.7/3/0/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 logmap=119 periodicity=10 colors=000e0bf0`g0Yh0Wi0Tj1Qk2Ol3Ml4Jj5Oh6Tf7Xd8aa\ 9e_AjYBnWCsUDw0Ix3Ku6Lr9MoCOlFPiIQfLScOT`RUYUWVXXS\ _XPbVN_UHXTBUS5SR0RS4QW8P_BPcFOgINkMNoQMsTLwXLz_Nt\ aOncPheQbgSYiTSkUMmVGoWBq_HncMkgShkXfoacsg`wlYzqWr\ oVknUdlTYkSQjRJhQCgP5fP7hT9jWBlZDmaFoeHqhJskLtnOhm\ RYmUNmXCmSAmN8mI6mE5mDDlCKkBSjBZjATW9NI9I4CJ6EK8HL\ 9JMBLNDOOEQOGSPIVQJXRLZSNaTOcUQeUR`SVWQZRObMMfHKjC\ In8GqQ9Tg24e58d8BcBFbEIaHM`KP_NTZQWYT_XWbWZfVaiXI6\ _G7bF8eD9hCAkAAn9Bq7Ct6Dw4Ez3EdMVJdkKcjLbiMaiLcgbY\ HbZDbZ9cXAdVBeUBfSCfQDgPDhNEiLFjKFjIGkGHlFHmDInBJn\ AJjBIfCHbDGZEFVFERGDOHCKIBGJACK98L84M71M63Q54T56X4\ 7_49c3Af3Cj2Dm2Fq1Gt1Hw1Gw2Fw3Fw3Ew4Ew4Dw5Cw6Cw6Bw\ 7Bw7Hm8Mc8RU9XK9aAAf1Ag2Eh3Hi4Kj5Nj5Qk6Tl7Wm8Zo9aq\ 9dsAguBjwCmyDpzDszBtzAuz9vz8wz7xz6yz7zz8zz9zzAzzBz\ zCzzDzzEzzFzzFzzFzzBzz7zz9zzBzzDzzFzzHzzJzzLzzMzzO\ zzQzzSzzUzzWzzYzz_zz`zzXz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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Re: [Fractint] Re: Fractint on XP
by gnome＠hawaii.rr.com 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

>Tony, > >Thanks once again for your suggestions. I created a DOS boot disk off of my >WIndows 98 machine and added makefcfg.exe to it. It booted fine and ran >makefcfg no problem. It seemed to have no trouble finding the video cards >VESA settings. > >Unfortunately, once I rebooted to Windows XP, it still won't run resolutions >higher than 640 x 480. I think the only possibility left is to install >something like Partition Magic and create a logical drive formatted in FAT16 >or 32 and have Fractint reside there. That might work. That will work. It doesn't need to be a very big partition, and make it FAT16, not FAT32. DOS cannot read FAT32, but WXP can read FAT16 for accessing your fractal images when you're running WXP. David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com

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Re: [Fractint] Re: Fractint on XP
by BillatNY＠aol.com 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

Tony, Thanks once again for your suggestions. I created a DOS boot disk off of my WIndows 98 machine and added makefcfg.exe to it. It booted fine and ran makefcfg no problem. It seemed to have no trouble finding the video cards VESA settings. Unfortunately, once I rebooted to Windows XP, it still won't run resolutions higher than 640 x 480. I think the only possibility left is to install something like Partition Magic and create a logical drive formatted in FAT16 or 32 and have Fractint reside there. That might work. Bill

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FOTD 18-10-02 (Periodicity Ten [7])
by Jim Muth 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

FOTD -- October 18, 2002 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I enjoy surreal art, especially when it speaks of other realities. I also feel that surrealism is not total fantasy, for in all likelihood, other unseen realities surround and enclose our familiar reality much as the planet itself is surrounded and enclosed by space. This belief does not conflict with the critical thinking I mentioned in yesterday's FOTD. Critical thinking does not determine one's world view, rather one's world view determines whether critical thinking can show that person the way to the *entire* truth. Today's critically surreal FOTD image takes us to a totally alien world, where Mandelbrot buds line the ridge of a slight hill, and bits of fractal debris swirl about in the gentle breeze. The entire scene is illuminated by an unseen source of light beyond the left edge of the screen. All that is missing is a bug-eyed alien, and he might pop up over the ridge at any moment. The image has several unusual technical features. To start, other than the few darker green spots with curved edges, the entire scene consists of a blank inside left over from an 'evaporated' fractal. In this case however, the fractal was not evaporated by raising the bailout to a ridiculous level, it was evaporated by dropping the exponents of Z to 0.5 and -0.5, which equals the square root and reciprocal of the square root of Z. Then C was added to complete the iterated expression. I named the image "Periodicity Ten" because its appearance is determined by the setting of the periodicity. It is rare indeed to see an image so greatly controlled by its periodicity. To bring out the details in today's image, I set the inside to < atan >. The other inside fills also give interesting effects, and are well worth a look. The passes must be set to 1 when rendering the image. Otherwise many of the smaller fragments are missed. Unable to decide on the rating of an image so different from my usual fractal fare, I finally decided on an above-average 7. The relatively fast render time of 7-1/2 minutes probably helped in my decision. But even 7 minutes is a bit slow for someone with other more- pressing tasks waiting to be done. So for convenience, the pre-rendered GIF image is available on the FOTD web sites at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The weather Thursday here at Fractal Central started sunny, but turned cloudy in the afternoon, followed by a moderate shower at 5pm. The dynamic cats had their day's outing early, before the clouds moved in, when it was still sunny and the temperature was 61F 16C. My day's outing must wait until the work is finished however. And before I can finish, I must begin. So until the next FOTD appears in about 24 hours, take care, and be kind to your fractals when they're in critical condition. Jim Muth jamth(a)mindspring.com jimmuth(a)aol.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Periodicity_Ten { ; time=0:07:33.79--SF5 on a p200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-1.72969/0.427018/11.89333/1/-72.5/-5.0\ 50126983263681e-014 params=1/0.5/1/-0.5/0/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=atan logmap=yes periodicity=10 colors=000KsaJraJqaIpaIo`Im`Hl`Hk`Gj_Gi_Gh_Fg_FfZE\ eZEdZEbZDaZD`YC_YCZYCYYBXXBWXAVXATXASW9RW9QW8PW8OV\ 8NV7MV7LV7KV8LW9MXANXBOYBPZCQZDR_ES`FT`FTaGUbHVbIW\ cJXdJYdKZeL_eM`fNagNagObhPciQdiQejRfkSgkThlUimUimV\ jnWkoXloYmpYnpZoq_pr`qrarsartbstctuduvevvewwfxxgyx\ hzyhzygxvfvsfupesmdqjdpgcndblabkZaiW`gT`fQ_dNZbKZa\ IW_ITZIPYIMWIJVIGTIDSIARI7PI4OI1NI2OJ3PJ4PK5QK6QL7\ RL8RM9SMASMBTNCTNDUOEUOFVPGVPHWPIWQJXQKXRLYRMYSNZS\ NZSO_UP_WQ_YQ_ZR_`S_bS_dT_eU_oU`mV`nW`oW`pX`qY`rY`\ sZ`u_`w_`xZ`vY`uY`u_On_Qm_Rk_Tj_Vi`Wg`Yf`_e``c`bba\ daae_agZaiYajWblVbnUboSbqR00Q00R0zR00Rzzzj0RkqRmqR\ nqSpqSqqSsqStqSvqSwqSxqSCl5Di8DfADcCE`EEYHEWJFTLFQ\ NFNQFKSGHUGFWGCZH9`H6bH3dH1fJ0bK0ZL0VM0RN0OP0KQ0GR\ 0CS08T05U37U68V99VCAVFBWICWLDWNEWOHWOKWOMWOPWOSWOU\ WOXWOZWOaWOdWOfWOiWOkWOnWOqWOsWOvWOxXSxfKopCydIqTN\ jUOkNvbMxcMycLwbLvbKubKtb } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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Re: [Fractint] Fractint on XP
by Tony Parker 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

Bill: Sometimes XP comes installed with the defaul;t NTFS file system. Dos 7 can only read FAT or FAT32 file systems. If you have a lot of "legacy" software that might not be able to read or see the NTFS file system, then I suggest you re-install WinXP with FAT or FAT32 file system. My preference is FAT32. I think WinXp has some kind of partition utility (NOT FDD) that allows you to set up a second partition and drive in FAT or FAT32. I don't know whether or not you have to delete the first partition If you still have lots of free space on your HDD, you can use a a 3rd party partition utility like PartitionMagic to set up a second drive in FAT or FAT32. I think that even partition Magic allows you to somehow convert partition file systems back and forth. You can then load Fractint once you've created your FAT or FAT32 partition. All the best, TG ----- Original Message ----- From: <BillatNY(a)aol.com> To: <tgparker(a)worldnet.att.net> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fractint] Fractint on XP > Tony, > > Sorry to keep bugging you. I've spent the morning trying your suggestions. > > 1. I finally got a floppy drive working on my computer. > 2. I created a DOS boot disk and rebooted from it. > 3. I got an A: prompt, but it wouldn't see my C: drive. > 4. I booted back to XP and copied makefcfg.exe to the boot diskette. > 5. I booted back to DOS and ran makefcfg.exe. I got the message > No DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip > 6. I went back to XP and surfed the web. I found the csdpmi3b.zip. I also > read that the operable file in the zip is cwsdpmi.exe. You run this first, > then you can run your DOS application. I put cwsdpmi.exe on the boot disk. > 7. I booted back to DOS and ran cwsdpmi.exe and then ran makefcfg.exe. It > ran and created fractint.cfg. > 8. I booted back to XP and copied fractin.cfg to the C: drive with my > Fractint files. Still no luck getting any resolution above 640 x 480 to run. > > You seem to have more experience then me with XP. Any ideas about all this? > Thanks. > > Bill >

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Re: [Fractint] Re: Fractint on XP
by BillatNY＠aol.com 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

Hans, You've had better luck than I have getting Fractint to run on XP. I have just learned that XP can be installed as either NTFS or FAT. My installation is NTFS, which is why I do not see the C: drive when I boot to DOS. Is your machine FAT? Also, do you know how running Virtual PC would affect this? Thanks. Bill Rossi http://members.aol.com/billatny http:www.arts4u.org/rossi

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Re: [Fractint] Why are we still holding on to Fractint?
by gnome＠hawaii.rr.com 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

> << I'd like to hear some you other fractolieri's reasons for remaining with fractint. I can use it under OS/2, Linux (at least, XFractint, haven't tried using DOSEMU yet), and Windows (in a pinch). I can take an old PC, put OpenDOS on it, and have a dedicated fractal-generation system without spending big bucks. I like the keyboard interface - very fast and efficient. It's free and open source. It's fun! David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com

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Re: [Fractint] Re: Fractint on XP
by nick.grasso＠hrads.com 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

Tim Wegner wrote: >>>Even if you do install XP with NTFS, I believe you could make a second partition using FAT32 (someone correct me if I am wrong). Then you could boot DOS from a floppy, store the images on the FAT32 partition, and still access them from XP.<<< But DOS doesn't support FAT32 does it? I thought it only supported FAT16. Unless you're talking about the DOS 7 that comes with Windows 98. Regarding the thread on Virtual PC, do you know of anywhere we could get the correct fractint.cfg entries for the S3 Trio 64 4MB card (which Virtual PC emulates) for 1600x1200x256? Thanks. Nick

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Re: [Fractint] Why are we still holding on to Fractint?
by Mark Christenson 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

At 09:18 AM 10/17/02 -0400, Tony wrote: >... >It's interesting that there is still a significant group of folk who still >prefer using fractint to "create" fractal images, rather than moving on >"completely" to UF 2/3. I'd like to hear some you other fractolieri's >reasons for remaining with fractint. In my case, I'm still hobbled by my budget - just can't afford a new machine, and the old one can't run post-3.1 Windoze. Beyond that, there are other reasons that, when I eventually do get a current-tech PC, I will buy UF once and not upgrade. On the pro-Fractint side: - I don't mind doing my layering by hand. - Thanks to Fractint's parsing capability, I can replicate most of UF's capabilities given sufficient time and effort. - Fractint continues to provide me with intriguing images. (http://value.net/~mchris/fractals.htm - some links are broken) - I love Evolver! - And, of course, the two main advantages: it is free and open source. On the anti-UF side: - When UF debuted, I thought "considering the capabilities, it's not a bad deal." Of course then it was $35. Now, it's $50, with a $35 upgrade price tag (that means your old version is worth zero to fifteen dollars on "trade-in", depending on your current version). Ten dollars seems like a more reasonable upgrade fee, especially considering the following: - As with Fractint, UF enhancements are the result of input from an entire community of users. Do the creators of these new tools get a cut of that $35-per-copy added value? One thing that does really bug me: the 6-bit color magnitude. Wouldn't it be possible to create Fractint GIF palettes with 8-bit values? I know it can be done because I use a paint program to tweak certain palette entries for hypertext background images. Happy Fractalling, Bud

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