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Re: Old Punks
by Ron Lettuce 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

>That punk rock has become the new >corpo-nostalgia >means only that those records sold better than any of >us were told. >skip h Oh, If I only had one percent of the profit made off of Operation Ivy shirts sold after the band broke up, maybe I could afford that Jaguar...or for that matter DRI, or Sick of It All... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

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RE: Old punks...
by Oppenheim, Phil 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

on 6/10/03, Skip Heller wrote: > That punk rock has become the new corpo-nostalgia > means only that those records sold better than any of us were told. More accurately, no-one told us that those records were going to sell to a lot of kids who were going to grow up to become employees (and owners) of businesses whose job it is to create advertising. I'm not really convinced that using Ramones or Clash songs evokes any real consumer nostalgia (outside of people who frequent lists like this one, let's say); it's way more likely that some hipster promo or ad producer found some track (or had, in turn, some even-more-hip subcontracting agency find it) that he or she loved, wanted to use, and managed to sell through to the client as "cool" (Thomas Frank outlines the mechanics of how some of this works in "The Conquest of Cool"). Least that's the way it works 'round these parts ... Phil @ TNT PS: May I feel free to use the term "copro-nostalgia" instead?

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RE: old punks....
by Oppenheim, Phil 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

on 6/10/03 10:19 AM, Tosh at tosh3(a)earthlink.net wrote: >> Also isn't he >> sort of right-wing? Skip countered: >how right wing can the author of "bonzo goes to bitburg" REALLY be? Evidently, pretty right-wing. See below: "To me, I think punk should be right wing. That's how I see it The left wing is trying to destroy America by giving handouts to everyone and making everyone dependent on them. They only care about the voter base. They don't really care about anything else. They don't care about anyone. If they can get illegal aliens to become able to vote by motor registration, they will. They're illegal aliens! They don't even belong in the country, let alone voting. It's just to keep their base of voters. Is it best for America? It's not best for America." Johnny Ramone, as quoted in http://www.supersphere.com/Zinetropa/Article.html?ID=Scram&NAME=Ramone

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old punks....
by Tosh 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Johnny Ramone, I believe, is really into WW2 History. Also isn't he sort of right-wing? -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com

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Re: Old punks...
by Samerivertwice＠aol.com 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Second verse, same as the first..... Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's goHey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's goThey're forming in straight lineThey're going through a tight windThe kids are losing their mindsThe Blitzkrieg BopThey're piling in the back seatThey're generating steam heatPulsating to the back beatThe Blitzkrieg BopHey ho, let's goShoot'em in the back nowWhat they want, I don't knowThey're all reved up and ready to goThey're forming in straight lineThey're going through a tight windThe kids are losing their mindsThe Blitzkrieg BopThey're piling in the back seatThey're generating steam heatPulsating to the back beatThe Blitzkrieg BopHey ho, let's go Shoot'em in the back nowWhat they want, I don't knowThey're all reved up and ready to goThey're forming in straight lineThey're going through a tight windThe kids are losing their mindsThe Blitzkrieg BopThey're piling in the back seatThey're generating steam heatPulsating to the back beatThe Blitzkrieg BopHey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's goHey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go

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Old punks...
by Robert Pleshar 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

So, I hear that Greg Ginn is getting Black Flag (early version) back together for a concert to benefit cat rescue. The Rollins Band is touring playing Black Flag songs (presumably Rollins-era tunes) to benefit the West Memphis 3. The Stooges are playing with Mike Watt on bass for no specific cause and a reformed Rocket from the Tombs with Richard Lloyd subbing for the late Peter Laughner are touring. (Speaking of which, has anyone heard any of the released RFTT material? and is it worth picking up?) Anyone else think this confluence of reunions is weirder than the fact that these bands existed in the first place? Maybe they should all get together for the old punks stadium rock tour. Hell, I'd actually go see that. "Yeah, we have a Beatles reunion opening up for them, Kevin Dubrow from Quiet Riot is filling in for John." (paraphrased from Desperate Teenage Lovedolls). rob -- "Bones heal. Chicks dig scars. And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-daredevil ratio in the world." -Capt. Lance Murdoch

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Re: Holland festival report/update
by Arthur Gadney 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Hi! >In 2.5 hours: Marc Ribot: book of heads. cant wait!!! Please keep us informed as the festival progresses! How long 'till Naked City? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Holland festival report/update
by manolis 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Visitors note that the Rituals and Chimeras show of tomorrow (June 11) has changed location: It will be at the STADSSCHOUWBURG instead of THE CONCERTGEBOUW. In 2.5 hours: Marc Ribot: book of heads. cant wait!!! Last night, at the Index of Styles concert, Marc Ribot played a couple of tunes (i was shamefully late and missed part of his show). He sung a cowboy song (preceded by a comment on real cowboys and the Bush family who are bankers from Cincinatti and not cowboys from Texas), which was very beautifully sad. The lyrics were about a cowboy who was asking not to be buried on a great prairie but on a green field. however when he dies he is buried on a prairie. Even though I might have very well missed parts of the story that was the line. Anyone recognizes the song? Gary Lucas had a good show as well. manolis

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Re: Old Punks...
by TagYrIt＠aol.com 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

In a message dated 6/10/2003 11:17:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, tosh3(a)earthlink.net writes: > I am not sure what the reasons are - it could be just me - but I am > starting to really admire artists who are in their 50's and still > doing knockout performances or recordings. > The remaining members of the Clash really showed a LOT of class, gratitude, and humility at the recent Rock Hall induction ceremonies, even though they didn't perform. I was surprisingly impressed. Dale.

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Old Punks...
by Tosh 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

A couple of months ago I saw the reunion of the Stooges - and I have to say that they were incredible. On a scale of ten, Iggy and band were a 20! They just focused on the first two albums (nothing from Raw Power) and it was just a powerful performance. I am not sure what the reasons are - it could be just me - but I am starting to really admire artists who are in their 50's and still doing knockout performances or recordings. On the pop/rock level I really like the last Bryan Ferry, Bowie, Dylan albums. The Stones, which I haven't enjoyed since their 60's recordings, is the one band that doesn't do it for me - but I haven't seen their recent shows. But Iggy was really really great that night. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com

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