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Re: Things I just don't get
by TagYrIt＠aol.com 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

In a message dated 7/3/2002 3:24:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan.given(a)ualberta.ca writes: > 1) the Maneri family: Joe and Mat both grate on my nerves, though I've tried > several times. I'll even expand that as far as many of the people they > play > with (such as Pandelis Karayorgis, Randy Peterson, etc...). > > I have to second this, I've really tried with Joe Maneri and even inquired on this list about it at one point. And for myself, I would add Fantomas (either one) and Mr. Bungle's Disco Volante. Dale.

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egg lake music faire
by sooooo spicy 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

i was wondering if anyone knew anything about this festival. i got this from the acid mothers temple website and can't find any info about it anywhere... it does sound very intruiging though. do they mean the san juan islands off the coast of washington? i certainly hope so. "The rumoured Gong-AMT collaboration looks like it will very soon be semi-realised as a Daevid Allen, Kawabata and Cotton trio. This trio plans to appear on August 24 at The Egg Lake Music Faire on San Juan island. Also on the festival bill are Damo Suzuki and Richard Sinclair" peace, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Zorn's last great album...
by Theo Klaase 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

The last truely great album Zorn did (in my opinion, naturally) was Taboo and Exile. "IAO" sounds to me like an attempt to be another Taboo and Exile but not nearly as good. The drum track is too long, indeed. How about an entire album with Frith, Lombardo, Laswell and another element of somesort, maybe Zorn himself? Why only one song every few CD's or so? ===== -That which is Theo "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." www.fstylee.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Music to go
by Vel Net 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

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sad news: Earle Brown just died...
by Patrice L. Roussel 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

From rec.music.classical.contemporary. Patrice. ------- Forwarded Message Path: news.or.intel.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: db(a)biink.com (David Beardsley) Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.contemporary Subject: Earle Brown Date: 3 Jul 2002 07:20:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 33 Message-ID: <e4f8d410.0207030620.a50e83(a)posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.36.206.3 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025706039 32386 127.0.0.1 (3 Jul 2002 14:20:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse(a)google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 2002 14:20:39 GMT >From the Feldman list: "I think in colors. I think in masses and colors and planes. I don't start to write a piece of music with a twelve tone row or something like that, or even coming up with a melody and then trying to figure out what to do next. I start with a total concept. And then I try to fulfill what my imagination has already given me inside. Mozart said that he visualized a piece of music almost instantly. I do that and it takes me a long time to get it down on paper. I change it and change it and sometimes I can't even get it on paper. I've experienced that over and over. But once I start thinking about a new piece, I get a pretty clear picture of what I'm going to do. And then I go into the details." (EB in conversation with PK January, 2000) First graphic notation (1952) First proportional notation (1952) Open Form concept (late 50s) Spontaneous direction of orchestra performance (1961) Earle Brown died this morning. I thought you might want to know. Petr Kotik, July 2, 2002 * What are the chances of Earle & Ray Brown passing on the same day? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: Fwd: Bailey/Hemopheliac/Gift
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

I ranted: >>but then again no-one here (Steve Smith >> excepted) seems particularly interested in talking >> about Zorn anymore. Efren replied: >I AM! Apologies, Efren. I remember you talking about "IAO" and other stuff not that long ago and not getting many replies. I've been trying to come to terms with it myself. The long percussion track gets on my nerves and the metal track doesn't really fit IMHO, fun though it is. I think it destroys any mood that had been set by the previous music. If Zorn wants to do stuff like this why doesn't he properly record his band with Lombardo/Frith/Laswell? And speaking of lost line-ups, whatever happened to the Young Philadelphians? >Unfortunately,many listers cannot contribute to Zorn's live >performances comments due to their geographic >position. I guess we're unlucky in Spain, for example. >(please, nobody mentions Live in Sevilla. Over >1.000km from where I live!) Yes, but the point I was making is that I was surprised that Zorn - a notoriously uncompromising fellow - had agreed to perform a work that he admitted on stage that he didn't like performing. I hoped that someone might respond along the lines of either (a) hey! He got paid. You bought a ticket. Deal with it,or (b) Even with composers of his pulling power, promoters still hold the upper hand, or even (c) something I hadn't thought of before. But the silence was deafening. Apparently I didn't put the words "Ornette Coleman" anywhere in there (ducks for cover). Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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Re: Bailey/Hemopheliac/Gift
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Remco wrote: >Are you really that surprised that there are people out there who don't know >every cd by our great hero? I have long come to the point where I can say: >no, I haven't heard this Barbican cd, and I won't know if I will hear it in >the next two years! And yep, still a Zorn fan. > Bit of confusion here: there's no Barbican CD (unless someone's bootlegged it) - I was talking about Zorn's performance of "The Gift" at the Barbican and how it was virtually a note-for-note copy of "The Gift" CD. In some areas of music this might be a plus, but not here. >But there's so much going on Zorn-wise. Fair point. But considering that people had mentioned that they'd ordered/received copies of Hemopheliac, I assumed that there were some people who might have an opinion on the music contained therein. And I know, I should have one too - maybe when I get home (in a couple of days) I'll try again, but I was so dispirited with the first spin that I hoped someone could encourage me (or not) to put in another 2 hours listening to it properly. Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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RAY BROWN RIP
by Samerivertwice＠aol.com 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

:( http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/nation/3592293.htm

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good/bad/hated/unexpected/tommy &c
by Acousticlv＠aol.com 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

hi gang pleasure to be reading all of you again phil o- thanks for yr apt comparisons of davey bowie and the other music hall stars. as for the who's tommy; ridiculous story, fab music. i remember 'being taught' tommy in my college intro to music class when i thought what a silly piece of crap with great guitars. i still feel that way but there is so much to be said for great guitars. discs i hated at first: 1. ayler in greenwich village Lp. i had cut my first jazz teeth on live in seattle long before i backtracked to 'easier' music. i got a copy of this guy ayler id heard so much about for 99c at the sam goodys cut-outs, back when that was the place to get Lp cutouts- my education. i took it to the house of this guy i was dating- he wanted to show off his megastereo system; i to show off the difficult music i could easily manage while he was stuck on peer gynt and <ugh> barbara cook. i _hated_ it and was upset with myself for trying to show off how cool i was. after all, i loved seattle, trout mask, xenakis computer then a nonesuch Lp, its after the end of the world dont you know that yet, on first hearing. why didn't i get this ayler guy right away? things have changed, of course, tho new grass still is crap with intersting stuff in it nonetheless. to make amendas- here's one of my poems for ayler: http://www.jazzhouse.org/files/koenig1.php3?read 2. verdi's requiem. operatic birdsong crap. until one day joe maneri looks at me in disbelief that i don't like it and plays me (solti's?) version. pointing out miraculous things in it, comparing different phrases to ones by jazz heroes: monk, et al. i still don't love the piece but am fascinated that without my tour guide i still don't catch the things so clearly there as when he pointed em out. 3. dr buzzard's original savannah band meets king pennett. the followup Lp to the first with the hit 'cherchez la femme.' the rhythms are askew, cory daye's voice is cracked, there is all of the melange but none of the surety and suaveness of the first miracle disc; in my desert island top 5. i reviewed it for my college paper with the headline "look out for buzzard crap." i didnt know til many, many plays later, for i did know something weird was going on, how freaking avant garde and brilliant it is, text and music. it's now reissued not under its own name but complete with the complete first disc as 'the best of' on rca, probably o/p by now anyway. 4. the mercury Lps of capt beefheart. i love beefheart, first learning the screwy psychedlic blues of kandy korn and mirror man, then trout mark replica. collected them all, then the mercs. i kept them just to be a completist. then i cleaned house. then i got them again, then i dumped them again. love to all steve koenig n.p. glories of the british music hall vol 3, pearl records n.r. instruction manual of my new big air conditioner. comes with remote control. what the hell for? i dont even use remote for my teevee. i like pushing buttons on bodies. touching stuff. just a perv, i guess.

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Re: Worst record
by Nvinokur＠aol.com 02 Jul '02

02 Jul '02

In a message dated 7/2/02 12:25:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dgasque(a)aol.com writes: << i thought the worst record of all time was supposed to be ELP's Love Beach. >> How can anyone forget Peter Framton's "I'm in You"

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