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Re: Worst Bowie
by Kurt Gottschalk 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

sidestepping your bowie joke, check out 'the fire this time.' i agree with you about brass fantasy records, but this is the exception. also, i wanted the bowie bros to record together my whole life. guess i shouldn't have expected anything more than 'black tie, white noise,' tho. >From: "s~Z" <keithsz(a)concentric.net> >To: <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: Worst Bowie >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:03:35 -0700 > >I never could get into any of his Brass Fantasy stuff. > >Seeing him live with the Art Ensemble, and even once with The Leaders, >remain some of my most enjoyable concert memories. > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Germany question again
by Efrén del Valle 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Hi, Sorry to ask again but my trip to Germany was delayed until August 4-19th. I'd like to know of any good shows in the KÃ¶ln, Solingen, Bonn areas during those dates. I'll even be in Netherlands for a couple of days. Any good websites to check? Thanks in advanceand sorry for losing the messages you kindly sent some months ago! Best, EfrÃ©n del VAlle _______________________________________________________________ Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 El Ãºnico lugar de Internet con vÃdeos de los 64 partidos. Â¡ApÃºntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/es/

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Things I just don't get
by David Keffer 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

>From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel(a)ichips.intel.com> > Jim O'Rourke: > Reading THE WIRE and other magazines (the ones which care) we get the > feeling that Jim transforms in gold everything that he touches (rock, > improv, electronics, pop, avant-barnyard country punk, etc). After > almost ten years of intense activity, I still can't think of one > track by him that I can memorize. ten tracks worth repeated listenings by Jim O'Rourke 1) "Muni/Michel Piccoli" (Table of the Elements, 7 Nitrogen, 1993,7") 2) "Sheep in Wolves Clothing" from Poetic Silhouettes compilation (AMF, 1034, 1993, cd) 3) "Captain's Bay Road" from Dutch Harbor: Original Film Soundtrack (Atavistic, ALP85CD, 1997, cd) 4) "George" (w/ L.M. Connors & D. Bailey) from Playbacks (Bingo, BIN 004, 1999, cd) 5) "There's Hell in Bern" (w/ L.M. Connors) from Meme compilation (Meme, Meme 000, 1998, cd) 6) "The harp factory on lake street" (Table of the Elements, 19 Potassium, 1995, cdep) 7) "Dry Bones in the Valley" (w/ D. Grubbs & Tony Conrad) from upgrade and afterlife (Drag City, DC90CD, 1996, cd) 8) "Thos. Dudley Ah! Old Must Dye" (w/ D. Grubbs) from Crookt, Crackt, or fly (Drag City, DC43, 1993, cd) 9) "Mere/A Young Person's Guide to Drowning from Disengage" (Staaltape/Korm Plastics, ST 048/KP 4292, 1992, cdx2) 10) most of Xylophonen Virtuosen (Incus, CD38, 2000, cd) The styles of these 10 tracks are diverse. Tracks 1-3 are guitar solos. Tracks 4-5 are guitar duets. Tracks 6-8 are gastr del sol "indie rock" tracks. Track 9 is a minimalist/musique concrete composition. Track 10 is euro free improvisation. I certainly won't take the position that every (or even a majority of the recordings) by O'Rourke are golden (and I haven't heard many of them), but these 10 tracks are. Have you ever heard "Dry Bones in the Valley"? Words don't do it justice. I don't know of many artists that I can, on demand, think of 10 essential tracks. There are many artists frequently discussed on this list that I think would envy a life-long body of work from which ten great tracks could be gleaned. Anyway, my two cents. David K. NP: Dock Boggs: His Folkway Years p.s. 11) Happy Days (Revenant, 101, 1997, cd) I can't believe I left this one off. An hour long track beginning with lovely guitar playing and ending in the roar of a hurdy gurdy drone. At least the first 15 minutes of this track have had many repeated listenings from me.

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notice - TheWire
by Ricardo Reis 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

did anyone notice the mention to the zorn mailing list in the July number of The Wire? (if already mentioned, have patience, i'm lagging in digests...) greets! (and thanks to everyone who answered my czech questions) Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam"

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Re: Keiji Haino's racism
by francko.lamerikx＠philips.com 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

On the subject of Haino's supposed racism, you would be surprised to find out just how many people outside of the USA feel that their culture has been invaded by the USA - just ask a random selection of (French) people in the streets of Paris, and you'll get opinions like this from more than 50% of them. You just cannot underestimate the amount of cultural imperialism that the USA have imposed on the world ever since they won WW-II for us. Haino's remarks must certainly be seen in the proper context. As far as I can tell, he is a strong advocate of tradition; he was one of the people who fiercely protested when the government forced farmers to give up their land in order to build Narita airport in the late 60s. His lyrics are not even in contemporary Japanese. He must feel that a culture which he loves is disappearing, and that what replaces is is often not very worthwhile. Furthermore, it is definitely true to some extent that the Japanese have changed even physically from these cultural influences. It is well-known that there is a steep increase in intestinal diseases since the Japanse have started to eat McDonald's and other fast food, their digestive systems having been accustomed largely to a diet of seafruits and vegetables. And it could very well be that the average height has changed - the same has happened in The Netherlands, where people have become progressively and noticeably larger with each generation. To find these remarks racist in any sense is, to me, only possible in a country that has become so "politically correct" that it has elected for president what must be the biggest moron ever to have occupied such a high office. You can go on living in Fortress America and think that everyone else in the world is a terrorist (as George Bush thinks, but his remarks about this are carefully filtered out the news reports in the US, as when he recently asked the Brazilian president if they "also had blacks in Brazil?"). > Maybe I'm a wuss, but I've avoided Skrewdriver records for political > reasons, and I find it hard to believe that anyone finds the church-burning > shenanigans of some of the Scandinavian death-metal yobs cute. I don't think burning churches is cute, but I do think that Burzum has released a couple of very good records, which I have and like to listen to. Frankco

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Re: Things I just don't get
by Craig Rath 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

> 1) Steely Dan It's just one of those things - either it works for you or it doesn't. For me it's a groove thing. When I'm in that mood, it really fits - most albums, but not all. Plus Fagen's Nightfly album, which almost always puts me in a good mood. Call it a nostalgia thing... Same concept as Dire Straits "Love Over Gold" (side 1) - I can't explain it, it just works. Craig M. Rath H: fripp(a)attbi.com W: rathc(a)questarweb.com

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Re: Keiji Haino's racism
by Craig Rath 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

At 11:27 PM 7/3/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Here's an excerpt: "I think that there are few races in history whose height >and weight, whose physical characteristics have changed as much as Japan's >has over the past 30 years." and he'd like the Japanese people to "wake up" >to realise this "invasion" which is going on. As an example he claims >ridiciliously that the average height of Japanese children has "changed by >at least 20 centimers"!! First let me state that I haven't yet read the article myself. Once I do, I may have some different perspective to base my opinions on other than the scattered quotes above. And second, let me further state that my response is coming after having just spent 2 hours arguing with some local yahoo whose basic premise is that "people of color" who haven't achieved their goals in life "just aren't trying hard enough". Enough to make anyone's blood boil. I can only respond thus: #1 - Remember - this is an interview with someone who does not speak terribly fluent English, so any translations they give must be given some latitude. #2 - We are talking about a culture much different than our own (I'm speaking as an American citizen, for reference). Personally I don't see his statements (taken here without any context given) are anything more than perceived factual data. If he is sincerely stating that he sees a change in the overall physical makeup of his nation's people, I'm not seeing anything racist in his remarks. If he were to have said that this change in his country's physical makeup was the result of some foreign plot to undermine the people of Japan, then perhaps we could assume that he is paranoid/racist/whatever. But to take a few select statements from a magazine article and conclude that he is being racist is ludicrous. Like I said, I haven't read the article yet and maybe this argument stated above has some merit, but to post something this reactionary with only the few quoted lines as reference is really ridiculous. Taken out of context you can make any statement by anyone seem scurrilous. Craig M. Rath H: fripp(a)attbi.com W: rathc(a)questarweb.com

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Keiji Haino's racism
by Arthur Gadney 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Hello. Was anybody else quite shocked by Keiji Haino's racist remarks in the new issue of the Wire? Here's an excerpt: "I think that there are few races in history whose height and weight, whose physical characteristics have changed as much as Japan's has over the past 30 years." and he'd like the Japanese people to "wake up" to realise this "invasion" which is going on. As an example he claims ridiciliously that the average height of Japanese children has "changed by at least 20 centimers"!! The author Alan Cummings tries to apologise over this by saying that it's not a defense of racial purity, but has to be seen "in the context" of among other things Haino's "advocacy of uniqueness". How this is different from racism I fail to see myself. Personally I thought it was quite harsh stuff, not to different from wellknown nazi propaganda. But I still like Haino's music, so I guess again it rases the old question where to draw the line. Would you buy CDs with neo-nazi bands, if you liked their sweet melodies? Certainly a peculiar character, Keiji Haino is. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: Personality and prog
by Ryan Novak 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

>have this list in the > first place just to tell a bunch of people who >probably quite like >musician > X that you think he's boring. It hardly pushes the >debate on. Yep that's what I meant to say. Can't wait till we get going on Ornette again. Opinions just don't change when you say someone sucks, as fun as it may be. But I can offer some real life experience of Ken Vandermark that might change negative opinions if it helps anyone to get out and actually see him. His featured soloing with the Tentet on Brotzmann's "Images" in concert was beautiful (he shines most of the time here, but I thought this was particularly great), AALY "Trio" is a hurricane live, and there was a splinter group off the Tentet with him I saw that was very good- totally improvised as well. The records are fine, but my high opinion of Vandermark was formed mostly in concert. ----Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Actuarial Statistics
by Herb Levy 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Either Patrice Roussell/ David Beardsley (it was hard to tell who wrote this from how this looked in digest) wrote: What are the chances of Earle & Ray Brown passing on the same day? Apparently the chances were 100%.

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