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OT: Tim Robbins should have his balls bronzed
by Ben May 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

>Published on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 by CommonDreams.org > > > 'A Chill Wind is Blowing in This Nation...' > > >Transcript of the speech given by actor Tim Robbins to the National Press >Club in Washington, D.C., on April 15, 2003. > > TIM ROBBINS: Thank you. And thanks for the invitation. I had >originally been asked here to talk about the war and our current political >situation, but I have instead chosen to hijack this opportunity and talk >about baseball and show business. (Laughter.) Just kidding. Sort of. > > I can't tell you how moved I have been at the overwhelming support I >have received from newspapers throughout the country in these past few >days. >I hold no illusions that all of these journalists agree with me on my views >against the war. While the journalists' outrage at the cancellation of our >appearance in Cooperstown is not about my views, it is about my right to >express these views. I am extremely grateful that there are those of you >out >there still with a fierce belief in constitutionally guaranteed rights. We >need you, the press, now more than ever. This is a crucial moment for all >of >us. > > For all of the ugliness and tragedy of 9-11, there was a brief >period >afterward where I held a great hope, in the midst of the tears and shocked >faces of New Yorkers, in the midst of the lethal air we breathed as we >worked at Ground Zero, in the midst of my children's terror at being so >close to this crime against humanity, in the midst of all this, I held on >to >a glimmer of hope in the naive assumption that something good could come >out >of it. > > I imagined our leaders seizing upon this moment of unity in America, >this moment when no one wanted to talk about Democrat versus Republican, >white versus black, or any of the other ridiculous divisions that dominate >our public discourse. I imagined our leaders going on television telling >the >citizens that although we all want to be at Ground Zero, we can't, but >there >is work that is needed to be done all over America. Our help is needed at >community centers to tutor children, to teach them to read. Our work is >needed at old-age homes to visit the lonely and infirmed; in gutted >neighborhoods to rebuild housing and clean up parks, and convert abandoned >lots to baseball fields. I imagined leadership that would take this >incredible energy, this generosity of spirit and create a new unity in >America born out of the chaos and tragedy of 9/11, a new unity that would >send a message to terrorists everywhere: If you attack us, we will become >stronger, cleaner, better educated, and more unified. You will strengthen >our commitment to justice and democracy by your inhumane attacks on us. >Like >a Phoenix out of the fire, we will be reborn. > > And then came the speech: You are either with us or against us. And >the bombing began. And the old paradigm was restored as our leader >encouraged us to show our patriotism by shopping and by volunteering to >join >groups that would turn in their neighbor for any suspicious behavior. > > In the 19 months since 9-11, we have seen our democracy compromised >by >fear and hatred. Basic inalienable rights, due process, the sanctity of the >home have been quickly compromised in a climate of fear. A unified American >public has grown bitterly divided, and a world population that had profound >sympathy and support for us has grown contemptuous and distrustful, viewing >us as we once viewed the Soviet Union, as a rogue state. > > This past weekend, Susan and I and the three kids went to Florida >for >a family reunion of sorts. Amidst the alcohol and the dancing, >sugar-rushing >children, there was, of course, talk of the war. And the most frightening >thing about the weekend was the amount of times we were thanked for >speaking >out against the war because that individual speaking thought it unsafe to >do >so in their own community, in their own life. Keep talking, they said; I >haven't been able to open my mouth. > > A relative tells me that a history teacher tells his 11-year-old >son, >my nephew, that Susan Sarandon is endangering the troops by her opposition >to the war. Another teacher in a different school asks our niece if we are >coming to the school play. They're not welcome here, said the molder of >young minds. > > Another relative tells me of a school board decision to cancel a >civics event that was proposing to have a moment of silence for those who >have died in the war because the students were including dead Iraqi >civilians in their silent prayer. > > A teacher in another nephew's school is fired for wearing a T- shirt >with a peace sign on it. And a friend of the family tells of listening to >the radio down South as the talk radio host calls for the murder of a >prominent anti-war activist. Death threats have appeared on other prominent >anti-war activists' doorsteps for their views. Relatives of ours have >received threatening e-mails and phone calls. And my 13-year-old boy, who >has done nothing to anybody, has recently been embarrassed and humiliated >by >a sadistic creep who writes -- or, rather, scratches his column with his >fingernails in dirt. > > Susan and I have been listed as traitors, as supporters of Saddam, >and >various other epithets by the Aussie gossip rags (most of the Aussie press >is owned by Rupert Murdock ~ JHB) masquerading as newspapers, and by their >fair and balanced electronic media cousins, 19th Century Fox. (Laughter.) >Apologies to Gore Vidal. (Applause.) > > Two weeks ago, the United Way canceled Susan's appearance at a >conference on women's leadership. And both of us last week were told that >both we and the First Amendment were not welcome at the Baseball Hall of >Fame. > > A famous middle-aged rock-and-roller called me last week to thank me >for speaking out against the war, only to go on to tell me that he could >not >speak himself because he fears repercussions from Clear Channel. "They >promote our concert appearances," he said. "They own most of the stations >that play our music. I can't come out against this war." > > And here in Washington, Helen Thomas finds herself banished to the >back of the room and uncalled on after asking Ari Fleischer whether our >showing prisoners of war at Guantanamo Bay on television violated the >Geneva >Convention. > > A chill wind is blowing in this nation. A message is being sent >through the White House and its allies in talk radio and Clear Channel and >Cooperstown. If you oppose this administration, there can and will be >ramifications. > > Every day, the air waves are filled with warnings, veiled and >unveiled >threats, spewed invective and hatred directed at any voice of dissent. And >the public, like so many relatives and friends that I saw this weekend, sit >in mute opposition and fear. > > I am sick of hearing about Hollywood being against this war. >Hollywood's heavy hitters, the real power brokers and cover-of-the- >magazine >stars, have been largely silent on this issue. But Hollywood, the concept, >has always been a popular target. > > I remember when the Columbine High School shootings happened. >President Clinton criticized Hollywood for contributing to this terrible >tragedy -- this, as we were dropping bombs over Kosovo. Could the violent >actions of our leaders contribute somewhat to the violent fantasies of our >teenagers? Or is it all just Hollywood and rock and roll? > > I remember reading at the time that one of the shooters had tried to >enlist to fight the real war a week before he acted out his war in real >life >at Columbine. I talked about this in the press at the time. And curiously, >no one accused me of being unpatriotic for criticizing Clinton. In fact, >the >same radio patriots that call us traitors today engaged in daily personal >attacks on their president during the war in Kosovo. > > Today, prominent politicians who have decried violence in movies -- >the "Blame Hollywooders," if you will -- recently voted to give our current >president the power to unleash real violence in our current war. They want >us to stop the fictional violence but are okay with the real kind. > > And these same people that tolerate the real violence of war don't >want to see the result of it on the nightly news. Unlike the rest of the >world, our news coverage of this war remains sanitized, without a glimpse >of >the blood and gore inflicted upon our soldiers or the women and children in >Iraq. Violence as a concept, an abstraction -- it's very strange. > > As we applaud the hard-edged realism of the opening battle scene of >"Saving Private Ryan," we cringe at the thought of seeing the same on the >nightly news. We are told it would be pornographic. We want no part of >reality in real life. We demand that war be painstakingly realized on the >screen, but that war remain imagined and conceptualized in real life. > > And in the midst of all this madness, where is the political >opposition? Where have all the Democrats gone? Long time passing, long time >ago. (Applause.) With apologies to Robert Byrd, I have to say it is pretty >embarrassing to live in a country where a five-foot- one comedian has more >guts than most politicians. (Applause.) We need leaders, not pragmatists >that cower before the spin zones of former entertainment journalists. We >need leaders who can understand the Constitution, congressman who don't in >a >moment of fear abdicate their most important power, the right to declare >war >to the executive branch. And, please, can we please stop the congressional >sing-a- longs? (Laughter.) > > In this time when a citizenry applauds the liberation of a country >as >it lives in fear of its own freedom, when an administration official >releases an attack ad questioning the patriotism of a legless Vietnam >veteran running for Congress, when people all over the country fear >reprisal >if they use their right to free speech, it is time to get angry. It is time >to get fierce. And it doesn't take much to shift the tide. My 11-year-old >nephew, mentioned earlier, a shy kid who never talks in class, stood up to >his history teacher who was questioning Susan's patriotism. "That's my aunt >you're talking about. Stop it." And the stunned teacher backtracks and >began >stammering compliments in embarrassment. > > Sportswriters across the country reacted with such overwhelming fury >at the Hall of Fame that the president of the Hall admitted he made a >mistake and Major League Baseball disavowed any connection to the actions >of >the Hall's president. A bully can be stopped, and so can a mob. It takes >one >person with the courage and a resolute voice. > > The journalists in this country can battle back at those who would >rewrite our Constitution in Patriot Act II, or "Patriot, The Sequel," as we >would call it in Hollywood. We are counting on you to star in that movie. >Journalists can insist that they not be used as publicists by this >administration. (Applause.) The next White House correspondent to be called >on by Ari Fleischer should defer their question to the back of the room, to >the banished journalist du jour. (Applause.) And any instance of >intimidation to free speech should be battled against. Any acquiescence or >intimidation at this point will only lead to more intimidation. You have, >whether you like it or not, an awesome responsibility and an awesome power: >the fate of discourse, the health of this republic is in your hands, >whether >you write on the left or the right. This is your time, and the destiny you >have chosen. > > We lay the continuance of our democracy on your desks, and count on >your pens to be mightier. Millions are watching and waiting in mute >frustration and hope - hoping for someone to defend the spirit and letter >of >our Constitution, and to defy the intimidation that is visited upon us >daily >in the name of national security and warped notions of patriotism. > > Our ability to disagree, and our inherent right to question our >leaders and criticize their actions define who we are. To allow those >rights >to be taken away out of fear, to punish people for their beliefs, to limit >access in the news media to differing opinions is to acknowledge our >democracy's defeat. These are challenging times. There is a wave of hate >that seeks to divide us -- right and left, pro-war and anti-war. In the >name >of my 11-year-old nephew, and all the other unreported victims of this >hostile and unproductive environment of fear, let us try to find our common >ground as a nation. Let us celebrate this grand and glorious experiment >that >has survived for 227 years. To do so we must honor and fight vigilantly for >the things that unite us -- like freedom, the First Amendment and, yes, >baseball. (Applause.) > > ### > > > >http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0416-01.htm >"...That bawl for freedom in their senseless mood, And still revolt when >Truth would set them free." > >~ John Milton, 1914 > >_______________________________________________________ > >The Salmon Valley Observer > >comes from rural upstate New York and is produced > >by folks interested in all children living free from fear and poverty. > > > >Copies are sent across North America, Europe, and Australia > >providing background material to over 230 print, radio, > >and television news professionals, academics, > >campus editors, activists and inactivists. > > >We've had favorable responses from veteran journalists. > >We encourage sharing the Observer with others. > > > >We welcome suggestions as to content. >We do not share your address with others. > >-- >Wade D. 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Off topic........Sex Pistols Madonna Remix......
by mark weston 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Hi.....Go here download the Extended Version of Rayofgob and turn it up...... Regards Mark. http://www.gohomeproductions.co.uk/

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RE: FILTH MUSIC
by doh 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Do you live next door to steve hillage? Maybe hes gay>?? [!-JטStäbŁîP-!] 28 Tooting High Street, London, SW17 9PB United KIngdom Tel: +44 (0)208 682 4545 Mobile: +44 7985 680 544 Web: www.justablip.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Simon.Booth [mailto:Simon.Portobello@btinternet.com] Sent: 16 April 2003 18:36 To: thrash(a)justablip.co.uk Subject: Re: FILTH MUSIC Hi Kris The Orb were cool. My old Mac isnt too good at handling those sort of music files.. are you able to send us a CD? Also, we're not looking to commision anything as we dont have much money (now theres a suprise..!) just the rights to use some existing music in our film. (Gay, by the way, but cool, not cheesy) If still interested send CD to: Simon Booth 16 Elgin Crescent London W11 2JR Hope to hear from you. If not, thanks for the interest. Cheers, Simon. From: "doh" <thrash(a)btclick.com> Organization: bLiP Reply-To: <thrash(a)justablip.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:04:05 +0100 To: <simon.portobello(a)btinternet.com> Subject: FILTH MUSIC Hello My name is kris weston Previously of band the orb And I wanna write music for porn films If you are interested Check out www.justablip.co.uk/mptree <http://www.justablip.co.uk/mptree> some of the tracks are extreme on there but I have lots of other styles that page was put up for a kung fu movie but you get the general idea.. all the best Kris Weston

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Origin of Blue Room sample
by Chain Reaction 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Dear Orb Friends, Could someone tell me where exactly the female voice sample (awauwauwa... etc.) in Blue Room comes from? It 'd love to hear the 'original' once. This has been discussed before, but it's been so long I can't remember... If anyone has an mp3 of the song, that would even be better! Stay happy, healthy and friendly, yours Stephan -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

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Magic Orb Moment - lurkers awake?
by Bbbrooo＠aol.com 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Great stuff, enlightening stories. Do you think we can get the two mad girls on list to give their side of the story? (joke). John, did the kneck staber ever show remorse or get medical treatment? This community is boldly going where no list have gone before, but there are still many who have not posted. Cummon ZIPPY bet you have a good story about your first gig and SMILEY your friendship with the band must have a memory or two. Lurking at the back just isn't cricket!

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RE: forgive me?
by doh 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

Hehehehee Ive just got home from a day off from this shitting computer God aint I entitled to have a laugh every now and agina for gosd saks ??? I mean god sakes? Well ill write it properly tomoora Look rachel I love you But if only you knew ... kisses actually to all 6 people on this list I apologise for any post before 3 am GMT that is ok?? Good night Im not bitter im ajust a complete twat kwis [!-JטStäbŁîP-!] 28 Tooting High Street, London, SW17 9PB United KIngdom Tel: +44 (0)208 682 4545 Mobile: +44 7985 680 544 Web: www.justablip.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: -> rachel [mailto:rachel@migoto.com] Sent: 16 April 2003 18:09 To: thrash(a)justablip.co.uk Subject: forgive me? kris, honey, you've gone all quiet... did i push it too far? or have you passed out from the drugs? you know i'm just having fun with you... kisses, rach

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OT: Happy Birthday LSD!
by kim 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=257710 3 LSD Takes Trip Down Memory Lane at Age 60 Wed April 16, 2003 11:31 AM ET By Michael Shields ZURICH (Reuters) - LSD, the hallucinogenic drug that launched a million trips for hippies, was discovered 60 years ago when a Swiss chemist accidentally inhaled a substance that made his bike ride home something special. Albert Hofmann was actually trying to develop stimulants for the circulatory system in his Sandoz AG lab on April 16, 1943 when he mixed up a batch of LSD from ergot, a fungus that grows on rye. Instead, he created one of the most powerful agents ever to change perceptions of reality, an icon of the 1960s Flower Power movement and the drug of choice for a generation of musicians and writers who rode the psychedelic wave. Hofmann, now 97 and living near Basel, recalled in a newspaper interview 10 years ago that he had made LSD in his lab that fateful day after discovering it five years before. "Afterwards on the way home I suddenly had hallucinations, a beautiful and pleasant trip. The only thing was, I could not at first explain what had made me so high," he recalled. Only three days later did he conduct a direct experiment on himself with lysergic acid diethylamide-25. "I took what I then thought to be a very small amount, namely 25 mg. Then it all became clear," he remembered. Researchers seized on the drug as a tool to probe human consciousness and perhaps shed light on psychoses such as schizophrenia, but it also became an underground cult drug whose illicit use Hofmann came to decry. Sandoz, which also isolated hallucinogen psilocybin from Mexican mushrooms in 1958, never marketed either drug but distributed them free to research labs and clinics until 1966, when it halted shipments. "Unfortunately, increasing abuse of hallucinogenic drugs is being noticed of late, especially among young people abroad," it said at the time, blaming sensational media reporting that gave rise to "an unhealthy interest" in mind-bending drugs. Hofmann always insisted LSD should remain administered only by researchers and psychiatrists because of the danger that people high on the drug could unwittingly do themselves harm. "The great danger of LSD is that one cannot come to grips with and integrate the shock of being transported into a different reality, that one 'flips out'," he once recalled.

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"the nod'
by Spear man 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

>Cool orb moment?? I think I shared this once. I was >driving back from San Francisco on hwy 280. It was >probably 3:00AM and my car had the little orb window >sticker "The Orb - don't leave earth without it"... we >are passing another car when I see he has the same >sticker on his car. So we pull up next to him and >start pointing at the sticker. He gives us a big >smile and "the nod"... > >I didn't loose any blood that night, but sometimes it >is all about "the nod" I wonder who that guy is?? "wait a minute" hmm, was that a big green car? if it was then it was me...... --spearman _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: Orb Moments
by Rob_King 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

My exposure to the Orb was pretty basic... In 1992, I heard something by them on the CBC radio (Brave New Waves show I think, late at night) when I was half asleep, and I really enjoyed it, so I marked their name down.. For the life of me I can't remember the track, but it was off the brand-new U.F.Orb album... During the next trip I took to the city (as I lived in the boonies), I stopped by a good record shop and asked the employee who worked there what they were like. Not being familiar with the ambient techno scene, he directed me to Kraftwerk, and shuffled to another corner of the store and promptly began ignoring everyone. I remember distinctly that he was a wanker, as Kraftwerk sounded nothing like what I heard on the radio. Oh well, so much for record stores having cool employees... Anyhow, I bought the U.F.Orb cassette - yes, had no CD player at the time, didn't look like I was getting one anytime soon either. I listened to it, and didn't like it! Couldn't figure out why they put all of those freaky sounds in it, like the "I want bloooood!" sample. After repeated listens, I grew to like it. But one day, I found myself thinking of the music, getting Blue Room stuck in my head like a sunnovabith, and sure enough, I was hooked, and it's all been just orby since then. The next big Orb purchase for me was Live 93. Again, I initially didn't like it, but I quickly grew to absolutely love it. Man, it has to be the best live album of any type of music that I own. What a piece of work. Love the Benny Hinn 'morphine drip' sample too - I guess I can't get enough of crazy faith healer samples played over bongo drums, heh! Strangely enough, I didn't get to hear a copy of Adventures until considerably later, like around 1998. A Cool Orb moment? Hmmm... Having Andy write me an email back in '96 was cool. Surprised the hell outta me. All I did was ask "do any of the band members read the list?" and sure enough, they do. Another multitude of cool moments is watching TV or listening to music and accidently hearing a sample used in an Orb track that I recognize immediately. Happened to me the other night when I was watching Death Race 2000 and realized that the zooming samples used in Blue Room came from those crazy space buggies. Or watching "Sleeper" with Rags the dog. Also it was cool finally meeting LX when he played at the club literally across the road from where I live. Quite a nice set, and I really enjoyed it. Plus LX signed a CD cover for me too. I hope he comes back sometime... And on a completely non-topic post, I have to mention that I saw the movie Donnie Darko a few days ago, and I fiercely recommend it to the Orb listees. Kinda fucked up, but has great dark humour, and has some very interesting takes on time travel and 6 ft rabbits. Good smoking material, ahem. Cheers, Rob

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RE: [Orb] tea time!!!!
by lithium 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

we'll have to ask krissy, can't have a tea party without the keeper of the Sacred Tea..... m~ --- Ted Tofield <ted.tofield(a)plumpton.ac.uk> wrote: >How when where? > >Ted > > >-----Original Message----- >From: miriam rainsford [mailto:lithium@careinthecommunity.co.uk] >Sent: 15 April 2003 11:45 am >To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: [Orb] tea time!!!! > > >yeah just thought i'd say.... iriXx in da house.... > >m~ _____________________________________________________________ tHIngs aRe gOIng tO ChaNGE aRouND HerE... get a free you(a)careinthecommunity.co.uk e-mail address: for info visit http://www.tobyslater.com music, pictures, discussion, writing, art and much more yOU caN't jUSt tURn AND rUN http://www.tobyslater.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you(a)yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag

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