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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 251, Issue 3
by Dr Vince Facchiano 23 Feb '24

23 Feb '24

So I am not sure how best to respond but I moore my 17 Ft Montgomery Blue Jay in a freshwater MN lake each year and found a anchor system that has stood the test of some hellacious summer storms and the boat is still where I left it . Please investigate ( Quality Anchors - EZANCHOR ) https://ezanchor.ca/ | | | | | | | | | | | Quality Anchors - EZANCHOR EZANCHOR, the anchor that holds through the storm. Manufactured in Stony Plain, AB. Explore installation instruc... | | | I found that this system has been engineered perfectly for mooring and has far more holding strength than other options especially for the sail boats we are sailing. Its very easy to install and portable enough to sail with you too your cruse destinations . Each year I simply screw it in the rocky sand all the way down in chest high water ( comes with a main screw post with special installation tube attachments , ample chain, a buoy and part of a rubber tire which acts as shock absorber a key component in the system. ) I enjoys sailing my 2008 M17 - Blue Jay Vincent Facchiano OD FAAO please text only - 815-218-7777Independent Primary Eye Care Optometrist www.aacoeyes.org/for-great-vision affiliated for 40 years with Lenscrafters & Pearle Vision www.RentVIP.US Important Confidentiality Notice: This message and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this message or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by returning or forwarding it to the sender and deleting this copy from your system. And if you read this far, may God Bless you and the fine service you provide the world. On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 07:01:48 PM CST, <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Anchor chain (John Schinnerer) 2. Re: Anchor chain (Dave Scobie) 3. Re: Anchor chain (John Schinnerer) 4. Re: Anchor chain (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:43:25 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Anchor chain To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <4fd4dc8a-3963-4f0e-8dbf-4d28cd0a2c5b(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Re chain... My all purpose anchor is a Rocna 4, I have about 5 ft of chain on it. To date, only about 70 ft of rode on that one, as I am in lakes with no tidal action, and anchoring in shallow and sheltered waters (around 5-15 ft.). Not fully set up yet, but for eventual harder-core situations, is a slightly heavier Mantus M2 for which I have about 15 ft of chain and much longer rode, don't recall length at the moment, it's stored for the winter. When I get to cruising tidal waters I'll also be carrying extra length of rode. cheers, John All the lake anchoring I've done to date doesn't need lots of chain so I am not going to wrestle with lots of chain to no purpose. On 2/21/24 05:59, Dave Scobie wrote: > 20' of chain and 200' of rope. Also have a secondary anchor with the same > rode. Carry a extra 200' of rope if needed. > > So yes can tie together 600' of rope. > > Tide range on Salish Sea is 10-15' (usually). Even with all this rode I've > only ever needed to put out 200' of rope. > > Nice thing about a small boat is can anchor in shallow areas where larger > boats cannot fit! > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024, 22:45 Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > >> How are you skippers marking anchor chain/rope? >> >> How much chain do you carry? >> >> Thanks >> >> Capt Jim >> >> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:48:48 -0800 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Anchor chain To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4Br-OKUtMx1Uhr2a-H==H8HFXMS=EVo-L2ydPyHwhwaA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" John. SOP is for chain length to be at least the length of the boat. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, 15:43 John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Re chain... > > My all purpose anchor is a Rocna 4, I have about 5 ft of chain on it. To > date, only about 70 ft of rode on that one, as I am in lakes with no > tidal action, and anchoring in shallow and sheltered waters (around 5-15 > ft.). > > Not fully set up yet, but for eventual harder-core situations, is a > slightly heavier Mantus M2 for which I have about 15 ft of chain and > much longer rode, don't recall length at the moment, it's stored for the > winter. When I get to cruising tidal waters I'll also be carrying extra > length of rode. > > cheers, > John > > > All the lake anchoring I've done to date doesn't need lots of chain so I > am not going to wrestle with lots of chain to no purpose. > > On 2/21/24 05:59, Dave Scobie wrote: > > 20' of chain and 200' of rope. Also have a secondary anchor with the > same > > rode. Carry a extra 200' of rope if needed. > > > > So yes can tie together 600' of rope. > > > > Tide range on Salish Sea is 10-15' (usually). Even with all this rode > I've > > only ever needed to put out 200' of rope. > > > > Nice thing about a small boat is can anchor in shallow areas where larger > > boats cannot fit! > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024, 22:45 Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > wrote: > > > >> How are you skippers marking anchor chain/rope? > >> > >> How much chain do you carry? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Capt Jim > >> > >> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:43:41 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Anchor chain To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <ac341edd-07f1-435d-b48c-3adde0877ad4(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Yep, that's what "they" say, whoever "they" are...:-) There are other perspectives out there - as Groucho famously said, "Those are my principles! If you don't like them...I have others!" Silliness aside, for my uses to date, it makes zero sense to wrestle with 17 ft of chain to no benefit and much extra weight and muddiness. And when I'm eventually cruising more challenging tidal waters I'll have approximately as much chain as "they" say. Some point out that boat length per se has little to do with how the anchor, chain, rode, and lake/sea bottom actually interact. And boat length does not necessarily correlate to boat weight and/or windage (think multi-hulls; unballasted camp cruisers; expedition loaded vs. day-sailing; chunky pilot house motor-sailors vs. low-slung minimum-windage designs; etc.). It's a bit like choosing anchor size, to me. Most manufacturer charts are based on very generic assumptions about boat size and weight correlation. Works well perhaps for medium to huge ballasted monohulls. But what if one's boat doesn't fit those standard assumptions? M17s often don't - they tend to be in one length category, but a different displacement category. We can say "when in doubt go bigger," but what about the possible downsides of trying to manage an oversized, overweight anchor on a small boat? Just some thoughts to ponder. I'm all for reason-and-testing backed SOP, but not much for Stale Old Protocol. cheers, John On 2/21/24 15:48, Dave Scobie wrote: > John. > > SOP is for chain length to be at least the length of the boat. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > " > On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, 15:43 John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Re chain... >> >> My all purpose anchor is a Rocna 4, I have about 5 ft of chain on it. To >> date, only about 70 ft of rode on that one, as I am in lakes with no >> tidal action, and anchoring in shallow and sheltered waters (around 5-15 >> ft.). >> >> Not fully set up yet, but for eventual harder-core situations, is a >> slightly heavier Mantus M2 for which I have about 15 ft of chain and >> much longer rode, don't recall length at the moment, it's stored for the >> winter. When I get to cruising tidal waters I'll also be carrying extra >> length of rode. >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> >> All the lake anchoring I've done to date doesn't need lots of chain so I >> am not going to wrestle with lots of chain to no purpose. >> >> On 2/21/24 05:59, Dave Scobie wrote: >>> 20' of chain and 200' of rope. Also have a secondary anchor with the >> same >>> rode. Carry a extra 200' of rope if needed. >>> >>> So yes can tie together 600' of rope. >>> >>> Tide range on Salish Sea is 10-15' (usually). Even with all this rode >> I've >>> only ever needed to put out 200' of rope. >>> >>> Nice thing about a small boat is can anchor in shallow areas where larger >>> boats cannot fit! >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024, 22:45 Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>> How are you skippers marking anchor chain/rope? >>>> >>>> How much chain do you carry? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Capt Jim >>>> >>>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>>> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:01:04 -0800 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Anchor chain To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4y4QWAUoDf_vc4vVk887Vqxx5UcWqP7gDqeGgcJmqw=g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi John: "They' are professional and liveaboard boaters and cruisers (aka myself). The reason is the greater weight and therefore better bite angle for the anchor and to keep wear on the rope to a minimum (or none). Around the Salish Sea the rocks and barnacles will quickly saw through rope. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, 16:44 John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Yep, that's what "they" say, whoever "they" are...:-) > > There are other perspectives out there - as Groucho famously said, > "Those are my principles! If you don't like them...I have others!" > > Silliness aside, for my uses to date, it makes zero sense to wrestle > with 17 ft of chain to no benefit and much extra weight and muddiness. > And when I'm eventually cruising more challenging tidal waters I'll have > approximately as much chain as "they" say. > > Some point out that boat length per se has little to do with how the > anchor, chain, rode, and lake/sea bottom actually interact. And boat > length does not necessarily correlate to boat weight and/or windage > (think multi-hulls; unballasted camp cruisers; expedition loaded vs. > day-sailing; chunky pilot house motor-sailors vs. low-slung > minimum-windage designs; etc.). > > It's a bit like choosing anchor size, to me. Most manufacturer charts > are based on very generic assumptions about boat size and weight > correlation. Works well perhaps for medium to huge ballasted monohulls. > But what if one's boat doesn't fit those standard assumptions? M17s > often don't - they tend to be in one length category, but a different > displacement category. We can say "when in doubt go bigger," but what > about the possible downsides of trying to manage an oversized, > overweight anchor on a small boat? > > Just some thoughts to ponder. I'm all for reason-and-testing backed SOP, > but not much for Stale Old Protocol. > > cheers, > John > > On 2/21/24 15:48, Dave Scobie wrote: > > John. > > > > SOP is for chain length to be at least the length of the boat. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > > " > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, 15:43 John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > >> Re chain... > >> > >> My all purpose anchor is a Rocna 4, I have about 5 ft of chain on it. To > >> date, only about 70 ft of rode on that one, as I am in lakes with no > >> tidal action, and anchoring in shallow and sheltered waters (around 5-15 > >> ft.). > >> > >> Not fully set up yet, but for eventual harder-core situations, is a > >> slightly heavier Mantus M2 for which I have about 15 ft of chain and > >> much longer rode, don't recall length at the moment, it's stored for the > >> winter. When I get to cruising tidal waters I'll also be carrying extra > >> length of rode. > >> > >> cheers, > >> John > >> > >> > >> All the lake anchoring I've done to date doesn't need lots of chain so I > >> am not going to wrestle with lots of chain to no purpose. > >> > >> On 2/21/24 05:59, Dave Scobie wrote: > >>> 20' of chain and 200' of rope. Also have a secondary anchor with the > >> same > >>> rode. Carry a extra 200' of rope if needed. > >>> > >>> So yes can tie together 600' of rope. > >>> > >>> Tide range on Salish Sea is 10-15' (usually). Even with all this rode > >> I've > >>> only ever needed to put out 200' of rope. > >>> > >>> Nice thing about a small boat is can anchor in shallow areas where > larger > >>> boats cannot fit! > >>> > >>> > >>> :: Dave Scobie > >>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > >>> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024, 22:45 Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> How are you skippers marking anchor chain/rope? > >>>> > >>>> How much chain do you carry? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> Capt Jim > >>>> > >>>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > >>>> > >> > >> -- > >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > >> -------------------------------------------- > >> - Eco-Living - > >> Whole Systems Design Services > >> People - Place - Learning - Integration > >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > >> http://eco-living.net > >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 251, Issue 3 ************************************************

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Continue my membership
by Tom Sheppard 23 Feb '24

23 Feb '24

Please continue my membership. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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Anchor chain
by Jim Sadler 22 Feb '24

22 Feb '24

How are you skippers marking anchor chain/rope? How much chain do you carry? Thanks Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Beware of a fake email
by Dave Scobie 19 Jan '24

19 Jan '24

MSOG members: Please be aware that a fake email may have been sent using my name (but not my email address if you look closely at the header details.) that contains a hotlink. DO NOT OPEN THE LINK. It is a scam that can install a virus/malware. I'm not sure if the email went out to more than a few list members ... better safe than sorry! :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com

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Warning to MSOG members about a Trojan email
by Dave Scobie 12 Jan '24

12 Jan '24

MSOG members: Be aware that scammers/spammers have spoofed a group member's email ID and sent a message with a imbedded link to a DANGEROUS download that will/can/may load a Trojan/virus onto your computer/phone. The email _untruthfully_ says it is from Peter Zimowsky. Peter DID NOT send this email. Peter's email has been spoofed and again he DIDN'T send the message. The message body says, "---- forwarded ---", followed by, "Hopefully, you still remember this photo". The message has an Internet hotlink. DO NOT CLICK THE LINK! The sender was actually using a scam uos.ac.kr domain. If you clicked the link and attempted to open the document be aware your computer/phone may have been compromised. If you downloaded the link I encourage you to run antivirus and malware cleaners to check your machines. If you download the file, after checking with antivirus and anti-malware software I also suggest you change all your Internet passwords especially those relating to banking and financial accounts. If you have any questions let me know. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com

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Davits for small dingy M15
by Jim Sadler 11 Jan '24

11 Jan '24

Any skippers have davits on M15 for small tender 50# or so Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 14
by David Hill 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

My work area is about 62 degrees. When the varnish failed to dry I moved it to a warmer area -- about 70 -- but it still did not dry. When I tested the varnish on other pieces of wood I left them in the 62-degree work area and they cured just fine. On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 12:21 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 (Mike Z) > 2. Re: spar varnish over epoxy (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:15:47 -0500 > From: Mike Z <speedernut2(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <184FBB7B-8B6B-45D3-9B18-C90AADA5A482(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > One more thought. > > What temperature is your work area? > > Mike > > > On Jan 10, 2024, at 12:12 PM, David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the quick input. I sanded the epoxy with 220 sandpaper > but > > did not wash it first. Is the "amine blush" removable with just water? > > > > I have tried the spar varnish on other pieces of wood without epoxy and > it > > dries just fine, so I don't think the varnish is the problem. > > > > David Hill > > M17 619 > > "Grouper" > > > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 11:50 AM < > >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > >> body 'help' to > >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Spar varnish over epoxy (David Hill) > >> 2. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) > >> 3. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Dave Scobie) > >> 4. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Paul Baker) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:51 -0500 > >> From: David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> > >> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> CANH4sxddT81skHfxDNN+g-Gn8dvp_WXnNMpOFQi1UU-oLFraew(a)mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > and > >> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > >> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > >> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > >> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > >> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > epoxy > >> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > result. > >> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > >> > >> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > >> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > place > >> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > >> > >> David Hill > >> M17 619\ > >> "Grouper" > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) > >> From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> 1955736929.52559132.1704905206579.JavaMail.zimbra(a)zoominternet.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > >> > >> Tod Mills > >> M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > >> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> > >> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > and > >> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > >> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > >> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > >> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > >> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > epoxy > >> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > result. > >> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > >> > >> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > >> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > place > >> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > >> > >> David Hill > >> M17 619\ > >> "Grouper" > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:48:55 -0800 > >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> CAGjBOA5FFApxvxAKtjeAB9gNc3q3zD3QQDPY8xZc-chyz27PkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> David: > >> > >> What Tod wrote in addition to allowing the epoxy to cure for at least a > >> week? > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > >> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > >> > >> > >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 08:47 <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > >>> > >>> Tod Mills > >>> M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > >>> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > >>> > >>> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > >> and > >>> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > >>> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > >>> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > But > >>> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > after > >>> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > >> epoxy > >>> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > result. > >>> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > >>> > >>> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > >>> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > place > >>> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > >>> > >>> David Hill > >>> M17 619\ > >>> "Grouper" > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:49:54 -0800 > >> From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz(a)gmail.com> > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Message-ID: > >> <CAHcOfc+PV2AyP1j_fXKtZKRhyKBe0DzXssZgoDUkvAnrXJ0= > >> kg(a)mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> Hi David, > >> I have lots of experience with what you are doing. > >> After the West System job is done, it should be washed with water, to > >> remove any residue that's produced with the cure. > >> The epoxy finish needs to be sanded with #220 sandpaper to give tooth to > >> the surface. > >> If your varnish is not drying, I strongly believe it has probably has > >> something to do with the varnish itself. > >> Try varnishing something without epoxy as a test. > >> If it doesn't dry as it's supposed to, then you have your answer. > >> Please let me know your results. > >> Thanks, Paul Baker > >> > >> > >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 8:42 AM David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > >> and > >>> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > >>> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > >>> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > But > >>> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > after > >>> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > >> epoxy > >>> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > result. > >>> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > >>> > >>> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > >>> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > place > >>> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > >>> > >>> David Hill > >>> M17 619\ > >>> "Grouper" > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> There are only 3 types of people in the world. Ones that can count and > ones > >> that can't. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> To unsubscribe send an email to > >> montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > >> > >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 > >> ************************************************* > >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:21:01 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: spar varnish over epoxy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA6o+veCP36eVaFGtisas_zMtJeFq3g9UhX+DKUY3E8YTQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > David: > > Blush is removed with water. > > Be sure the epoxy is fully cured first. If the epoxy isn't fully cured it > is still creating blush. This is why it is best to wait a week before > covering with varnish. > > (Note: there are epoxy formulations that don't create blush.) > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 09:16 Mike Z <speedernut2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > One more thought. > > > > What temperature is your work area? > > > > Mike > > > > > On Jan 10, 2024, at 12:12 PM, David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for all the quick input. I sanded the epoxy with 220 sandpaper > > but > > > did not wash it first. Is the "amine blush" removable with just water? > > > > > > I have tried the spar varnish on other pieces of wood without epoxy and > > it > > > dries just fine, so I don't think the varnish is the problem. > > > > > > David Hill > > > M17 619 > > > "Grouper" > > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 11:50 AM < > > >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > > >> body 'help' to > > >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > > >> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > >> > > >> Today's Topics: > > >> > > >> 1. Spar varnish over epoxy (David Hill) > > >> 2. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) > > >> 3. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Dave Scobie) > > >> 4. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Paul Baker) > > >> > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:51 -0500 > > >> From: David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> Message-ID: > > >> < > > >> CANH4sxddT81skHfxDNN+g-Gn8dvp_WXnNMpOFQi1UU-oLFraew(a)mail.gmail.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > >> > > >> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > > and > > >> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put > several > > >> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > >> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > But > > >> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > after > > >> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > > epoxy > > >> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > > result. > > >> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > >> > > >> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing > with > > >> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > > place > > >> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > >> > > >> David Hill > > >> M17 619\ > > >> "Grouper" > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) > > >> From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Message-ID: > > >> < > > >> 1955736929.52559132.1704905206579.JavaMail.zimbra(a)zoominternet.net> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> > > >> Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > > >> > > >> Tod Mills > > >> M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > > >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> > > >> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > > and > > >> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put > several > > >> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > >> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > But > > >> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > after > > >> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > > epoxy > > >> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > > result. > > >> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > >> > > >> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing > with > > >> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > > place > > >> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > >> > > >> David Hill > > >> M17 619\ > > >> "Grouper" > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:48:55 -0800 > > >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Message-ID: > > >> < > > >> CAGjBOA5FFApxvxAKtjeAB9gNc3q3zD3QQDPY8xZc-chyz27PkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > >> > > >> David: > > >> > > >> What Tod wrote in addition to allowing the epoxy to cure for at least > a > > >> week? > > >> > > >> > > >> :: Dave Scobie > > >> :: M6'8" #650 > > >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > >> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > > >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 08:47 <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > > >>> > > >>> Tod Mills > > >>> M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > > >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > > >>> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >>> > > >>> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare > wood > > >> and > > >>> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put > several > > >>> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > >>> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > > But > > >>> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > > after > > >>> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > > >> epoxy > > >>> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > > result. > > >>> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > >>> > > >>> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing > with > > >>> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > > place > > >>> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > >>> > > >>> David Hill > > >>> M17 619\ > > >>> "Grouper" > > >>> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:49:54 -0800 > > >> From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz(a)gmail.com> > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Message-ID: > > >> <CAHcOfc+PV2AyP1j_fXKtZKRhyKBe0DzXssZgoDUkvAnrXJ0= > > >> kg(a)mail.gmail.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > >> > > >> Hi David, > > >> I have lots of experience with what you are doing. > > >> After the West System job is done, it should be washed with water, to > > >> remove any residue that's produced with the cure. > > >> The epoxy finish needs to be sanded with #220 sandpaper to give tooth > to > > >> the surface. > > >> If your varnish is not drying, I strongly believe it has probably has > > >> something to do with the varnish itself. > > >> Try varnishing something without epoxy as a test. > > >> If it doesn't dry as it's supposed to, then you have your answer. > > >> Please let me know your results. > > >> Thanks, Paul Baker > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 8:42 AM David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare > wood > > >> and > > >>> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put > several > > >>> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > >>> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > > But > > >>> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > > after > > >>> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > > >> epoxy > > >>> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > > result. > > >>> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > >>> > > >>> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing > with > > >>> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > > place > > >>> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > >>> > > >>> David Hill > > >>> M17 619\ > > >>> "Grouper" > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> There are only 3 types of people in the world. Ones that can count and > > ones > > >> that can't. > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Subject: Digest Footer > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> montgomery_boats mailing list -- > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> To unsubscribe send an email to > > >> montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > >> > > >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 > > >> ************************************************* > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 14 > ************************************************* >

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12
by David Hill 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

Thanks for all the quick input. I sanded the epoxy with 220 sandpaper but did not wash it first. Is the "amine blush" removable with just water? I have tried the spar varnish on other pieces of wood without epoxy and it dries just fine, so I don't think the varnish is the problem. David Hill M17 619 "Grouper" On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 11:50 AM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Spar varnish over epoxy (David Hill) > 2. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) > 3. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Paul Baker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:51 -0500 > From: David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > < > CANH4sxddT81skHfxDNN+g-Gn8dvp_WXnNMpOFQi1UU-oLFraew(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood and > put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying epoxy > and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. > Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place > of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > David Hill > M17 619\ > "Grouper" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) > From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > 1955736929.52559132.1704905206579.JavaMail.zimbra(a)zoominternet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > > Tod Mills > M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood and > put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying epoxy > and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. > Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place > of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > David Hill > M17 619\ > "Grouper" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:48:55 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA5FFApxvxAKtjeAB9gNc3q3zD3QQDPY8xZc-chyz27PkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > David: > > What Tod wrote in addition to allowing the epoxy to cure for at least a > week? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 08:47 <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > > > Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > > > > Tod Mills > > M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > > Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > > > I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > and > > put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > > coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > > the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > > being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > epoxy > > and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. > > Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > > > I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > > mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place > > of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > > > David Hill > > M17 619\ > > "Grouper" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:49:54 -0800 > From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAHcOfc+PV2AyP1j_fXKtZKRhyKBe0DzXssZgoDUkvAnrXJ0= > kg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi David, > I have lots of experience with what you are doing. > After the West System job is done, it should be washed with water, to > remove any residue that's produced with the cure. > The epoxy finish needs to be sanded with #220 sandpaper to give tooth to > the surface. > If your varnish is not drying, I strongly believe it has probably has > something to do with the varnish itself. > Try varnishing something without epoxy as a test. > If it doesn't dry as it's supposed to, then you have your answer. > Please let me know your results. > Thanks, Paul Baker > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 8:42 AM David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > > > I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > and > > put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > > coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > > the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > > being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > epoxy > > and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. > > Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > > > I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > > mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place > > of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > > > David Hill > > M17 619\ > > "Grouper" > > > > > -- > There are only 3 types of people in the world. Ones that can count and ones > that can't. > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 > ************************************************* >

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Spar varnish over epoxy
by David Hill 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood and put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying epoxy and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place of it to protect the epoxy from UV? David Hill M17 619\ "Grouper"

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M15 and Jet Boil
by Jim Sadler 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled? Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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