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M17 Sea Anchor test
by E Blohm 24 Aug '23

24 Aug '23

This was the week I had planned on sailing from Fairport Harbor Ohio to Erie Pa or even Buffalo NY on a long 3-5 day downwinder but it was not to be, at least this week! A dreadful weather forecast that proved to be correct (thunderstorms bringing 30-50kt winds and a tremendous amount of lightning) this weather has been going on for the last 3 day and it made me take pause! I still have my M17 in the little 5x1 mile inland lake since I decided to not trailer it up to Erie this week. I was able to give my ParaTech 3’ storm anchor a test. The anchor has a fender float -15’ of 3mm line tied to the back of the chute to prevent it totally sinking /6’ of 3/8” chain and 200’ of 1/2” rode which is then fastened to the bow cleat. Conditions at lake were 12-16Kts 1-2’ waves. I had 1 reef in main and 115% jib rolled 1/3 up and got myself hove-too. I deployed the anchor off the windward side of the boat and payed out the system easily except for going forward holding the last 20’ of rode and securing to the bow cleat. This would be very tough in heavier air and waves. The Sea anchor set itself perpendicular to the boats slow drift downwind and backwards and held the bow maybe 10-15* higher than hove-to alone into the small choppy waves. In storm conditions while hove-to I think it would help a bit. After 20 minutes or so I struck the sails down and the Sea Anchor after a couple of the bow oscillations through the wind held the bow into waves and into the wind. Once again this would probably be a good tactic as opposed to lying a hull if caught out on bigger water. I suspect as wind velocity increases the pull and effectiveness of the sea anchor will increase. I calculated the 3’ circumference sea anchor (basically a half sphere) will have @34# of pull at 1 knot, and @126# at 2 knots drift downwind. Pulling the anchor in by hand proved relatively easy without a trip line. I debated between the 3’ and 6’ sea anchor for the M17. I think it will work but suspect the 6’ would be even better! I’ll keep my out for a 6’ one to test. Erik M17 S/V “Reef or Madness” Sent from my iPhone

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What's the biggest wind you've been out in?
by John Schinnerer 21 Aug '23

21 Aug '23

A question for the list...especially M17s, but 15s and 23s feel free to chime in. Just curious what kind of high wind conditions anyone has dealt with on their M17. 30 knots? 40? more? Anything that broke the rigging, blew out a sail, etc.? Part of the reason I'm asking... I've got a friend originally from South Africa who in his younger days sailed bigger boats, racing, in the Cape region, where he says regularly it blows 30+ and they would commonly go out in 40+. Triple and quadruple reefs and storm jibs for a nice day on the water... :-! cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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M23 launched
by salglesser＠aol.com 18 Aug '23

18 Aug '23

Hi All, It's been a while, but we are pleased to announce that our Montgomery 23 is finally in the water. It is boat #2 with the new style deck. Construction began in 2004. Gail decided to drive the project to completion (bless her) a couple of years ago. It had been sitting at our factory since 2010. The boat was completed by Mr. Ron Moore and his wife Martha (bless them) of Moore Sailboats. There was a lot of work to be done so the project took a while. Ron Moore is a master boat builder extraordinaire, so the build quality is exceptional. (He built our Moore 24 for us back in '84, which we still sail). He and Martha came out of retirement to do this project for us. Inboard diesel, custom sails and custom cushions. We had to increase the length of the double berth, complete all of the electrical, redo the centerboard and add a hoist, go through the engine, which had never been run and complete construction of the interior, We re looking forward to spending quality time on her. salngail glesser (Persistence is King)

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 246, Issue 5
by Jon Barber 10 Aug '23

10 Aug '23

After several club members were injured from falls onto tarmac while rigging boats on trailers, I started raising my mast on the water. I've never lost anything overboard while doing so. My boat is equipped with a rudder craft mast raising strut, which gets the mast high enough to make the job easier. I have raised and lowered my mast while motoring without incident. Because I trailer sail to multiple launch sites during the season, I have lots of experience rigging dockside. When I arrive at a launch I only need to remove 3 straps and crank up the centerboard before launching. No more long sessions rigging in a parking lot. I rig when it's convenient. So far, I'm the only club member to do this. Once, while leaving Monterey for a sail to Moss Landing I lost the main halyard up the mast (that shackle has been replaced) I was able to tie up at an empty pier and lower, retrieve halyard and re rig in 20 minutes. P.S. The strut makes a good place to fly flags, too! Lately I've been sailing under jib only with my awning up. This causes lee helm. I might try a mizzen sail to balance the helm; using the strut as a mast. I'm always thinking up rigging changes. It keeps me interested. Jon Barber Vice Commodore Potter Yachters Monty17 Ol'44 On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 3:03 AM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M-10 Hull number 1 (jerry montgomery) > 2. Re: M-10 Hull number 1 (John Schinnerer) > 3. M23 Sling Launch (Gerald Wyatt) > 4. Re: M23 Sling Launch (Theo Petron) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 16:08:33 +0000 > From: jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M-10 Hull number 1 > To: Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1(a)gmail.com>, "stansusman(a)gmail.com" > <stansusman(a)gmail.com>, montgomery list > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <MN0PR84MB31199E406665E4AEF591D201E60EA(a)MN0PR84MB3119.NAM > PRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That's got to be the boat I took to the trials put on by One-design and > Offshore Racing magazine (later called Yacht Racing) and won all the races > and got the only perfect score in quality. This was in 1970 and is what > got my business started. Up until then I was a one-man shop. Great > memories. I'd buy it for old time's sake except I don't want to drive to > San Diego. > > Thanks, Gary. I take back all I've said about you! > ________________________________ > From: Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:01 PM > To: jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com>; stansusman(a)gmail.com < > stansusman(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M-10 Hull number 1 > > > https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/boa/d/san-diego-1971-montgomery-10-sail… > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 11:11:57 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M-10 Hull number 1 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <89aebdfa-9510-bc2d-0abc-09d125e1cbb4(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Wow, very cool! > Maybe if you contact them Jerry with the story below, they'll ship it to > you as a "piece of history"... :-) > > cheers, > John > > On 8/5/23 09:08, jerry montgomery wrote: > > That's got to be the boat I took to the trials put on by One-design and > Offshore Racing magazine (later called Yacht Racing) and won all the races > and got the only perfect score in quality. This was in 1970 and is what > got my business started. Up until then I was a one-man shop. Great > memories. I'd buy it for old time's sake except I don't want to drive to > San Diego. > > > > Thanks, Gary. I take back all I've said about you! > > ________________________________ > > From: Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1(a)gmail.com> > > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:01 PM > > To: jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com>; stansusman(a)gmail.com < > stansusman(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: M-10 Hull number 1 > > > > > https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/boa/d/san-diego-1971-montgomery-10-sail… > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:26:34 -0700 > From: Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 Sling Launch > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CACXTuZy_LC1hSXxHKqPbg5_zjB9H-b5OXx4cWunvyh9gmJNx9Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello, > > We are trailing our M23 Dhana to the San Juan Islands next week. Larry was > very kind to help us with planning and suggested sling launching the boat > at Cap Sante Marina. We plan to follow his suggestion, but we have never > stepped the mast on the water. The steps we take will be the same, but if > any M23 owners have any suggestions or experiences, it would be helpful. > > It would be a shame to not take advantage of all the experience out there. > > At the very least, we plan to do as much as possible while the boat is on > the trailer to avoid dropping stuff in the water.... > > Thank you, > > Gerry > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:03:01 -0400 > From: Theo Petron <lapstrake1979(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M23 Sling Launch > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CADqWGb17OAFKz-xW2d1FAiMxCk7df0Y7cDF0Zwz_5uXf__fOmA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Gerry, > > You will LOVE the San Juans, have fun! > > I almost always step and unstep my mast in the water on my 23. The height > from boat to ground is a lot farther than the water and the water seems a > bit softer. > Not sure what you think might go splash, but I've not had any issues. Also, > I think youve got that custom raising gizmo that the owner before Bones > made, which should make it even easier. I find a slip and make sure there > is ample room to tie the sloop off at an angle so one person can be on the > dock to steady the mast in the beginning, then move to the bow for further > steadying. Hope that make sense. > > I'm sure others will have more detailed experiences and suggestions. It's > second nature to me after 23 years of doing it! > Best. > Theo > PS: Have fun with the Orcas! > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 10:27 PM Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > We are trailing our M23 Dhana to the San Juan Islands next week. Larry > was > > very kind to help us with planning and suggested sling launching the boat > > at Cap Sante Marina. We plan to follow his suggestion, but we have never > > stepped the mast on the water. The steps we take will be the same, but if > > any M23 owners have any suggestions or experiences, it would be helpful. > > > > It would be a shame to not take advantage of all the experience out > there. > > > > At the very least, we plan to do as much as possible while the boat is on > > the trailer to avoid dropping stuff in the water.... > > > > Thank you, > > > > Gerry > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 246, Issue 5 > ************************************************ >

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Re: M23 Sling Launch
by bownez＠juno.com 10 Aug '23

10 Aug '23

Have a fantastic trip Gerry, it's fantastic sailing grounds! I fondly remember my trip there with the M sailor group and Theo in 2005. Mr. Bones

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M23 Sling Launch
by Gerald Wyatt 09 Aug '23

09 Aug '23

Hello, We are trailing our M23 Dhana to the San Juan Islands next week. Larry was very kind to help us with planning and suggested sling launching the boat at Cap Sante Marina. We plan to follow his suggestion, but we have never stepped the mast on the water. The steps we take will be the same, but if any M23 owners have any suggestions or experiences, it would be helpful. It would be a shame to not take advantage of all the experience out there. At the very least, we plan to do as much as possible while the boat is on the trailer to avoid dropping stuff in the water.... Thank you, Gerry

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Re: M-10 Hull number 1
by jerry montgomery 05 Aug '23

05 Aug '23

That's got to be the boat I took to the trials put on by One-design and Offshore Racing magazine (later called Yacht Racing) and won all the races and got the only perfect score in quality. This was in 1970 and is what got my business started. Up until then I was a one-man shop. Great memories. I'd buy it for old time's sake except I don't want to drive to San Diego. Thanks, Gary. I take back all I've said about you! ________________________________ From: Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1(a)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:01 PM To: jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com>; stansusman(a)gmail.com <stansusman(a)gmail.com> Subject: M-10 Hull number 1 https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/boa/d/san-diego-1971-montgomery-10-sail…

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M12 is pretty great!
by Lawrence Winiarski 05 Aug '23

05 Aug '23

Took the new-to-me M12 sailing at the local lake. I like it! It's super responsive and big enough for 2 adults. Pulls with the Priusno problem. All in all a fantastic little boat! It's still got one problem. Apparently there is a problem with the seal on the top of the centerboard trunk towards the stern. It leaks at the joint between the fiberglass and the wood lid and there is a visible crack. I flipped it upside down (Try that on the M15 or M17 :-) and looked up where the centerboard sits and I can see the seal. Any suggestions on a permanent and or temporary fix would be highly appreciated.

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Cover ideas for M15?
by Lawrence Winiarski 04 Aug '23

04 Aug '23

I'm kind of thinking about a cover for the M15. I've been using a tarp over the mast, but I'd kind of like a custom cover. Any ideas? Vendors? Prices?

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Spinnaker
by Dale Nummi 03 Aug '23

03 Aug '23

I happen to be in MT Vernon WA for a few days and thought I might look for a spinnaker while I’m out here for my M17. I does not have to be new, I could use any advice and help Dale NummiLentokala Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS

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