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Refinishing the rudder
by Jennifer Wood 16 Apr '24

16 Apr '24

Hi all. I'm stripping the nearly 50 year old varnish from my M17's stock rudder, and man is that varnish sturdy. I'd love to replace it with something as durable -- what would you all suggest? There are some cracks near the bottom that were repaired with fiberglass and resin, which I plan to re-do as well. Cheers! --Jen

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fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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Re: M17 Outboard
by Dave Scobie 25 Mar '24

25 Mar '24

Pete: Many options ... IMO Honda's 4-6hp motors are reliable but heavy. (To heavy!) Don't have much experience with the newer Yamaha 4-6hp ... the old, like 15+ years ago, true 4hp motor was excellent and a great fit for the M17. I had a Suzuki 4 (aka 4-6hp) on my M17 and it did fine. Tohatsu are common but my experience is they are very sensitive to fuel and lots of issues with clogged carburetor jets. Lots of opinions on outboards and many people hate or love specific motors. Discussions are a lot like discussing anchoring. Lots of opinions!! One thing I would strongly consider is making sure you have a local outboard service business that will work on your motor type and has a good reputation. This may be more important than the specific motor because service is part of owning. Number one recommendation is use only fresh fuel and anything older than a month needs to be transferred to the tow vehicle or lawn mower fleet. Fresh fuel! Treat fuel with a mix of SeaFoam and Sta-Bil (yes _both_). Don't run scared of ethanol. Nothing more than E10(some locations have E15 which will ruin an outboard!). I've run E10 and outboards for years, like 20, and never had an issue. The issue is always fresh fuel! See - https://m17-375.com/2019/04/04/outboard-motors-fuel-issues/ Run the motor at minimum once a month. Run it at home in a bucket. This is important! Lack of running causes more issues than fuel. Do at minimum a yearly oil change and be sure to service the lower end gearbox and water pump based on manufacturer service recommendations. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 09:50 Peter Metherall <pmetherall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dave - Thanks for the info. Is there an outboard manufacturer > you recommend? I'm thinking Yamaha or Honda. > Pete > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 3:44 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Pete: >> >> A 2007 M17 should have a Garhauer OB-125 bracket and this will work fine >> with a 4-6 HP outboard 20" 'long shaft'. No larger than a 4hp motor is >> needed but there are no true 4hp motors available (all are 6hp blocks that >> a de-tuned to be a 5 or 4 HP output). >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024, 15:26 Peter Metherall <pmetherall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dave - Thanks for getting back to me! The Boat is a 2007. I haven't >>> closed on the boat yet so I will have to contact the owner and get the make >>> of the motor mount and get back to you. Thanks again. >>> >>> Pete >>> >>

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Re: 2 hp Honda runtime
by David Grah 23 Mar '24

23 Mar '24

I don't have images handy to share and won't have the system set up until later next month. For what it is worth, it shows up fairly often on sailing videos on my YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@dgrah) though I can't say which time in which video at the moment. The system I use was as described in this forum at some point in the past. Essentially I have a couple external tanks, one 3.5 gallons and one 6 gallons and I pick one based on the length of time I'll need to use the tank. They are both typical red outboard plastic tanks probably purchased on Amazon. Attached to the tank is a typical outboard hose with a pump bulb. I connect this hose through a right angle brass fitting screwed into a spare cap I purchased for the motor. I sort of had to gut the cap of all its venting features to screw the right angle fitting in and drilled a little vent hole. When the tank on the motor is empty it takes 30 to 40 pumps of the bulb to fill it up. The system has worked great. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 Sky Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 14:03:59 -0700 From: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: 2 hp Honda runtime To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <C0287830-E032-4D65-A403-271B3AA61182(a)yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I’d like to see that pump system, David. My boat came with one but it leaks really badly so I’ve discarded it. I like the idea though. Are you coming up for the Salish100?! www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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Outboard shaft length
by Peter Metherall 22 Mar '24

22 Mar '24

I'm in the process of buying a M17 and I will have to buy a new outboard (gas). Can you tell me what shaft length the M17 requires. Thank you! Pete 608-658-3409

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2 hp Honda runtime
by David Grah 21 Mar '24

21 Mar '24

This is not a direct answer to the question but most of the time run our Honda 2.3 at just enough rpm to fully engage the centrifugal clutch. On flat water this results in 3.5 to 4 miles an hour (less in knots of course). We pump our tank full from an external tank and a full liter-or-so tank lasts 2 hours or more at this throttle setting. David Grah1986 Montgomery 15Sky Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 05:56:44 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> Subject: M_Boats: 2 hp Honda runtime To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB38594FEF76687EC256BE3A1DD5322(a)BY5PR13MB3859.nam prd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good Evening Skippers On M15 at 4 knots how much run time do you get per tank of gas? Thanks Captain Jim SV Pelican

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2 hp Honda runtime
by Jim Sadler 21 Mar '24

21 Mar '24

Good Evening Skippers On M15 at 4 knots how much run time do you get per tank of gas? Thanks Captain Jim SV Pelican Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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M15 anchor chain
by Jim Sadler 12 Mar '24

12 Mar '24

Any of you skippers have an anchor chain roller at the transom? I need to single hand anchor with the motor and letting chain out. What kind of roller? Thanks Capt Jim SV Pelican Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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M15 trailer storage
by Jim Sadler 26 Feb '24

26 Feb '24

Ok skippers...., here we go! The SV Pelican is moored in a slip but I need to keep the trailer at my house. I live in HOA community so parking in out front is out of the cards and I to cheap to pay go storage yard. While At Home Depot I thought if I could rotate the trailer 90 deg About the long axis and remove the wheels I could store it in my 6 ft side yard on a Home Depot lumber cart ( or similar to) in my side yard. 6ft I am pushing 80 yrs and sanity may be the second thing to go Any of you skippers this nuts? How much does much does m15 trailer weigh ? If u want to cast me adrift from this form I understand . Capt Jim SV Pelican Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Minnesota Lake sailing
by Jon Barber 24 Feb '24

24 Feb '24

Henry sails his M-17 in Lake Minnetonka. She lies at a mooring all summer. He posts on this forum. Also see his articles at msogphotosite.com. See our newsletters at potter-yachters.org Regards, Jon Barber Commodore Potter Yachters M-17 Ol'44

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