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Honda 2.3 tilt on an M15?
by Charlie Fortner 01 Jul '15

01 Jul '15

Hello wrinkle boat lovers, I have a late '80s M-15 with the fixed motor mount and I've just purchased a Honda 2.3 hp to go with it. How the heck do you get this motor to tilt into the up and locked position? I've twisted the thing every which way and it always hits the transom before it locks. It'll tilt all the way up if I remove the motor's cowling, but that's a ridiculous thing to do on the water. The old Tohatsu 3.5 would clear the transom and tilt up if I used a spacer on the motor mount, but that won't work on the Honda because its jaws are narrower. It looks like all I really need is some way to move the motor's horizontal pivot point aft about 2 inches. I know lots of you love the M-15 & Honda 2.3 combo, so I'm sure my problem is not unique. I've searched the archives, but there wasn't much in the way of solutions to this problem. How have y'all gotten your motors up and out of the water? Better yet, have some photos of the solution? Thanks, Charlie -- Charlie Fortner Earth, USA, Georgia, ATL M-15 #411

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FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
by George Iemmolo 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

Dave Thanks for the comments on the roller furling system. I am considering one not for sail reduction so much as keeping me off the foredeck setting and removing the Jib. Getting to old for that on a 15'r . Is the Schaffer Snapfurl ($620) a self install? How much of a conversion of the jib is required (Luff tape)? Do most have a sun cover sewn on or use a tube cover with a full length zipper? I had a Harken on my WWP 15 with a tube cover and an old (1976) Schaffer Continuous Line furler on my Pearson 23 with a cover sewn on the Jib. What are your thoughts on the Harken Small Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay? All comments are solicited regarding best roller furling for a M15, George _____ From: Dave Scobie [mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:08 PM To: George Iemmolo; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Turning Turtle it is exceedingly rare to need any jib on an M15 besides the standard 128%. first step should be to reef the main, and then reef the main again. only after two reefs in the main consider going to a smaller headsail (or going back to the dock and going to the marina bar). put a downhaul on the jib so no foredeck work is needed to get the headsail down. if a furler is really wanted note: the CDI unit is challenging because you cannot adjust the headsail tension as wind speed changes ... let alone set the tension well when first loading the jib. the Schaefer Snapful is a much better unit and uses the jib halyard to raise the sail ... meaning you can also adjust the tension on the jib's luff. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:59 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: I was t4elling myself that I need to get a roller furler. I had one on a WWP15 I owned 9yrs ago and one on my Pearson 23 that I sold prior to getting my M15 3 yrs ago. Which model CDI do you have and did you install it your self & if so how hard was it? George -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hall [mailto:bert.hall@bell.net] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:44 AM Hi George, Yes I had a life jacket on as always. I have a CDI furler which I had partly rolled as the wind rose. Glad that I am not the only old sailor out there.RTH. -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo [mailto:griemmolo2@gamil.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:53 PM Robert PTL all went well you & the boat survived. You were wearing your life preserver right. Good advise regarding drop boards. I was wondering regarding your reefing sequence. I have always reefed the Main prior to dropping the Jib. Do you have roller reefing & had reduced the jib area that way? George (83 yr) Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:16 PM Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves." If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?" The answer "yes". In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.

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R2AK Ruddercraft Rudder Failure
by jnschum 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

It seems like HDPE may just not be a suitable material for rudders in the thickness commonly used for this size of boat. It looks like it fatigues right where support from the stainless cheeks stops; right where you would expect. It seems to hold up well on smaller craft where the rudder is proportionally much larger. Its too bad since it made such a nice blade. Hopefully someone will come up with a clever design idea or maybe a replacement plastic. A nice thing about these events is that they test the boats beyond the limits that most of us use them and we learn a lot.

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Furler
by Robert Hall 29 Jun '15

29 Jun '15

Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.

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Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 Jun '15

29 Jun '15

+1 In a message dated 6/29/2015 8:05:55 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, billahrens(a)comcast.net writes: Ok if your only issue is raising and lowering the jib without going to the foredeck, (a good idea), here is the simplest solution. Attach a small Block to the foredeck near where the forestay attaches. Run a small line, 1/8 - 3/16 through the block and tie one end to the head of the jib, run the other end back to the cabin top so you can secure it to a cleat or something. Raise the jib with the halyard. When you want to lower the jib, free the halyard and pull on the small line until the jib is all the way down. Secure the small line. Stretch the appropriate jib sheet back so the clew of the jib stays under control. All is now under control. Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates > On Jun 29, 2015, at 7:18 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Robert > > I am trying to get there for a bit less. I am still a bit confused as to how > he system works'. I see in the Harken literature that you can get a top > furler that will allow you to install without replacing the forestay and > that allows for change in the Jib headstay tension. I know it calls for a > wire in the jib headstay so I would have to have my jib modified along with > a sun screen sown on. I am trying to stay under $500. > > Can the system you have for sale be added without a forestay change? Or does > the wire Luff in the jib take the place of the forestay? How do you tension > the forestay or Jib Luff? Is that done by the Jib halyard?. As you can see I > still have a lot of questions. > > George > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Hall [mailto:bert.hall@bell.net] > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:10 AM > To: griemmolo2(a)gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle > > Hi George, I did exactly as you are doing and as you know opted for the CDI. > > Total cost for new sail,new fore stay and furler came in at about $1000. > Cheers RTH. > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Iemmolo > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:47 PM > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle > > Robert > > I will keep your offer in mind as I complete my "Due Diligence" on the > subject of Furling for an M15 > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Hall > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:54 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle > > George, I have a swivel and drum set similar to the Harken prduct from a > Siren I once owned which I will part with for $100 plus postage. The only > mod to the hank on procedure you are currently using is the insertion if a > wire in the luff of your jib which then become the fore sail. With this > system the jib is either set or furled,but at least you eliminate the hank > on inconvenience. RTH.-----Original Message----- > From: John Schinnerer > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:01 PM > To: griemmolo2(a)gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle > >> On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: >> ... >> ... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small >> Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay? > > This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not > reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that > to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for > it...not partly furled (reefed). > > cheers, > John S. > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: FW: Roller furling M15 was Turning Turtle
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 Jun '15

29 Jun '15

CDI Flexible Furler , Harken Small Boat Furler, Ronstan Snapfurl - manufacturers are telling everyone right up front. In a message dated 6/28/2015 12:01:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: On 06/27/2015 02:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: ... > ... What are your thoughts on the Harken Small > Boat Furler ($250) where the Jib Luff wire becomes the headstay? This one says in Harken's product info that it is for furling only, not reefing, just in case that matters for anyone's application. I take that to mean fully furled or fully deployed are the two operating modes for it...not partly furled (reefed). cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M_Boats: Furler
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 Jun '15

28 Jun '15

What I really love about Flexible Furler is 'stick and stone technology' as simple and bombproof as one could make it - if they are installed correctly they are a fine piece of equipment - very low on the bling factor and subsequently some dismiss them as less than good equipment. Guys - Read the Instructions. Bottom line if you want trailer ability/adjustability AND a tight headstay - forget a 'furler'. As for reefing with the typical units available in use - you are actually kidding yourself - Results of 'reefed sail' is typically a very poorly shaped sail generating excess side force (sag in luff & draft aft) that has made the situation worse. Jerry's original version of slab reefed jib is a much better and easily accomplished response to overpowered conditions. (he didn't even pay me to say that - this time). Halyards attached to foils can be a REAL PIA! - a downhaul and new sheets attached to reefed clew is pretty darn easy AND inexpensive. Stanley says -"add lightness' this also translates also to K.I.S.S. Large units are much better engineered. They typically cost more than our boats. Just my opinion - I have had plenty of customers' bring in furlers that : jamb - unroll, break the foil, jamb the luff tape, over ride the drum - list goes on..... Harken used to be the schizzle - Snap Furl , CDI all have had or are having their day, but I think I am not going to wait for the Be All End All unit and will go with slab reefing for my choice. This is just some opinionated guys version and he happens to own a WrinkleBoat and a computer - FWIW ladies and gents. Beside who the fudge cares what I put on my boat? really. Keep it fun Make sure it is SAFE and works!! GO - Instead of procrastinating - I'll take it under advisement and do additional research..... In a message dated 6/27/2015 10:26:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104(a)gmail.com writes: Tom, They come with very detailed instructions. If you follow them carefully you'll be OK. Measure six times, cut once. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? > Tom B > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens(a)comcast.net <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a > > disaster.. > > I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that. > > > > Bill Ahrens > > W. A. Ahrens & Associates > > > > > On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1(a)gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > Nick, > > > > > > Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as > apparently > > > you haven't seen one before. > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < > > nickpamfield(a)gmail.com <javascript:;>> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective > furling > > >> system > > >> Nick > > >> M17 > > >> > > >> Nick and Pam > > >> > > >>> On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall(a)bell.net > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds > > are > > >>> attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the > furler > > >>> taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the > present > > >>> setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably > > solve > > >>> the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH. > > >> > > > > >

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Montgomery knock down
by Thomas Buzzi 27 Jun '15

27 Jun '15

Long ago I read about the practicality of leaving at least one hatch board in while sailing and adding them as conditions pipe up. In that same article was also the advice to install some sort of locking feature (barrel bolts) on at least the bottom companionway board. They are not handy to step over or remove to go below but they do provide a few precious minutes to get yourself sorted out after a knockdown. My 17' doesn't have any positive flotation and I have been thinking about adding some as high as I can get it so the boat will tend to float upright when swamped. Any ideas about materials available to do this? Fair winds, Tom B. Mont.17 "AS-IS"

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FW: Turning Turtle
by George Iemmolo 26 Jun '15

26 Jun '15

-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo [mailto:griemmolo2@gamil.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Turning Turtle Robert PTL all went well you & the boat survived. You were wearing your life preserver right. Good advise regarding drop boards. I was wondering regarding your reefing sequence. I have always reefed the Main prior to dropping the Jib. Do you have roller reefing & had reduced the jib area that way? George (83 yr) Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:16 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Turning Turtle Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves." If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?" The answer "yes". In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.

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Test
by George Iemmolo 26 Jun '15

26 Jun '15

I have responded to 2 e-mails on the capsize issue and neither have come thru. Have I been dropped from the list somehow, I do receive but my responses do not go thru. George

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