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Hoisting Straps
by Bob Campbell 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

Has anyone set up hoisting straps (slings) that will allow a Montgomery 17 to be lifted (preferably with mast up) with a boat hoist (crane)? If so, I would very much appreciate your sharing the specifications so I don't have to reinvent the wheel! My Centerboard pennant broke, and I need to lift the boat off the trailer to replace it. Luckily I have access to a hoist but have to supply my own straps. Fair Winds, Bob Campbell Montgomery 17 #615 Alina Lodi, CA

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RE: M_Boats: Mast Crutch
by Morris, Giles 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

>I'm kinda skeptical about the two position crutch because moving the crutch to the >"high" position would be more work than just lifting the mast in the first place I have a metal tubing mast crutch that has two positions, and find it rather useful. The mast on the 15 is so light that it isn't so much lifting the weight as a matter of crowd control -- getting the mast into a convenient position with fewer things wrapped around it. BTW: I'm not happy with the tubing. It tends to bend, and when I get round to it I'm thinking of making something heavily influenced by a 2x4. Giles Morris Arlington VA Vancouver 25 "Dolphin" Montgomery 15 "Umiaq" Sundry small craft

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Mast Crutch
by Steve & Diana Parsons 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Greets, As I was moving my boat around, wishing that I was sailing instead of just moving the boat, I remember someone asking about a crutch to get the mast elevated enough to clear the companion way hatch when raising and lowering it. My boat has an extension that sits on the transom, and ties to the crutch that I use for trailering. If you would like, I could send a .jpg (offline) to anyone who is interested. Regards, Steve

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Re: M_Boats: maiden voyage
by Conbert H Benneck 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Hi Cherri, Jib vs. genoa? Well, how strong is the wind blowing? Less wind = more sail area: more wind = less sail area. In light winds you want the genoa to get as much drive out of the wind as possible. But as the wind speed increases, you'll find that the genoa is too much sail. That's when you want to change down to the working jib. Only having the regular (working) jib on my boat, and sailing in areas where the work of changing sail is hardly worth the effort, I'll just stay with the working jib and go sail! ........but of course a genniker would be nice to play with if one happened to fall at my feet. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: Mast Crutch
by Randy Watkins 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Steve ,I'd like to see it. jazzmanrandy(a)netscape.net thanks Randy Watkins >>> sparsons(a)canby.com 04/21/02 09:07PM >>> Greets, As I was moving my boat around, wishing that I was sailing instead of just moving the boat, I remember someone asking about a crutch to get the mast elevated enough to clear the companion way hatch when raising and lowering it. My boat has an extension that sits on the transom, and ties to the crutch that I use for trailering. If you would like, I could send a .jpg (offline) to anyone who is interested. Regards, Steve

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Re: M_Boats: maiden voyage
by Mark Pavuk 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Thanks, Connie, for all the good information. Yes, I do have a genoa which apparantly was only used a few times. The jib is not in good shape, from the quick inspection I did, but should be usable until I can afford to replace it. I'm not quite sure when to use a jib and when to use a genoa - I think the genoa is for lighter wind.? The block for it disappeared when Joe owned it, so I do have to replace that. There is a boom downhaul - I just didn't think to attach it, as we never took the boom off my other boat and therefore the downhaul was always connected. Hopefully I won't make that mistake again. Cherri ---------- >From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck(a)juno.com> >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: maiden voyage >Date: Sun, Apr 21, 2002, 9:00 PM > >Hi Cherri, > >Congratulations on your first sail, ......and join the crowd! I think >we've all been there and have had similar experiences. > >The solution to your problem of having the sail slides fall out is to >have a sail stop. This is a round slug that fits in the mast slot and >has a large round nut on the outside that you can tighten and there-by >lock the sail slides in place. See WEST Catalog...... > >You also need a boom downhaul. At the moment, without looking at it I >can't tell you exactly how it is rigged. but basically you have a line >going from the bottom of the boom through an eye and back to a cleat. >This keeps the boom from riding up, and falling out of the slot in the >mast. It also allows you to add tension to the leach of the main sail to >change the sail shape. > >An easy solution for the slide problem is to just tie a piece of bungee >cord around the mast. Then the slides can't get by the bungee cord and >fall out of the slot. > >Bungee cord is eductated rubber bands. It has a woven cover over an >interior of rubber strands. It comes in various dameters, and a 1/8th >inch piece should solve your problem. Just wrap it around the mast twice >and put a square knot in it - pulling it tight enough so that it won't >slide on the mast. Problem solved! > >Don't release the topping lift until after you have the main up and the >halyard cleated off. Then release the topping lift so that the main can >assume it's proper shape (topping lift with some slack). > >Do you really have a genoa? I only have a regular jib, and the fairleads >for that are on the cabin top and the sheet goes to a cam cleat. > >May you always have fair winds and a hands breadth of water under your >keel. > >Connie > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: Your message to montgomery_boats awaits moderator approval
by Steve & Diana Parsons 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Please do not send the message to the list, but forward on to Doug King. I meant to reply off-line. He can post the .jpg's on the MSOG website.... Gang, I may be off the hook for the several meg spam... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: <montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: <sparsons(a)canby.com> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Your message to montgomery_boats awaits moderator approval > Your mail to 'montgomery_boats' with the subject > > Re: M_Boats: Mast Crutch > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message body is too big: 1948005 bytes but there's a limit of 40 > KB > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. >

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Re: M_Boats: M 7'11"
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

In all these years (+-27) I've only seen one other M-10 and it was down in Georgetown, Bahamas. It was dark blue and a dink for a sailboat cruising from Louisiana. They are rare down here on the east coast...I felt very lucky to find one. At the time I had contacted Montgomery Marine about sending one out here but the prices were a little steep for my budget. It seems the boat was $850 + shipping. One just happened to come along at the same time used but only a couple months old. It has been a dink on various boats since I picked it up. I will post pics of the M-10 whenever I get a digital camera... Bill P.

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Re: M_Boats: maiden voyage
by Conbert H Benneck 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi Cherri, Congratulations on your first sail, ......and join the crowd! I think we've all been there and have had similar experiences. The solution to your problem of having the sail slides fall out is to have a sail stop. This is a round slug that fits in the mast slot and has a large round nut on the outside that you can tighten and there-by lock the sail slides in place. See WEST Catalog...... You also need a boom downhaul. At the moment, without looking at it I can't tell you exactly how it is rigged. but basically you have a line going from the bottom of the boom through an eye and back to a cleat. This keeps the boom from riding up, and falling out of the slot in the mast. It also allows you to add tension to the leach of the main sail to change the sail shape. An easy solution for the slide problem is to just tie a piece of bungee cord around the mast. Then the slides can't get by the bungee cord and fall out of the slot. Bungee cord is eductated rubber bands. It has a woven cover over an interior of rubber strands. It comes in various dameters, and a 1/8th inch piece should solve your problem. Just wrap it around the mast twice and put a square knot in it - pulling it tight enough so that it won't slide on the mast. Problem solved! Don't release the topping lift until after you have the main up and the halyard cleated off. Then release the topping lift so that the main can assume it's proper shape (topping lift with some slack). Do you really have a genoa? I only have a regular jib, and the fairleads for that are on the cabin top and the sheet goes to a cam cleat. May you always have fair winds and a hands breadth of water under your keel. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: learning, always learning
by Conbert H Benneck 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi Tod, Your thoughts about keeping the vane as light as possible are correct. When I built mine using 1/4" marine plywood - and my vane was about 3' high; I needed heavy lead weights to balance the vane, and at this pont I'd guess and say each weighted about 5 lbs! (I used two weights): remember you are balancing the weight of the vane weight/lever arm against the balance weigh/lever arm; and to keep the weight swinging radius small, the weight has to go up. You have a fun project, and will learn a lot; though it will cause lots of head scratching and beer drinking while you sort out the problems. But, hey, ..... when it is done, you designed it; you built it; and it works! That's a source of tremendous satisfaction. You'll be the envy of everyone in every harbor when you pull in with a wind vane on the stern, and can tell them how well it hold course. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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