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Trolling motor for auxiliary propulsion
by Wilson Frye 06 Mar '17

06 Mar '17

All, Will any M17 owner who has used a trolling motor as auxiliary propulsion for leaving and approaching the dock, and for short term auxiliary propulsion when winds are light, share what you may have learned from the experience? I have a 6hp Tohatsu SailPro. It drives the boat at hull speed in benign conditions with very little throttle (perhaps quarter throttle). it sips fuel. It has a 6 amp alternator that is advertised as capability for recharging batteries. Fact is, the alternator is inadequate for battery charging. We will be cruising with a 50 quart Dometic refrigerator this year, and as a result we’ll be taking a 1000EUi Honda generator and a Noco Genius 26000 (26 amp capability…@14VDC that’s 364W) along to charge the 200AH of deep cycle batteries to keep them near topped up from day to day. Today it occurred to me that if my 45 pound thrust 12V trolling motor will push the boat at a reasonable speed when needed, why not leave the Tohatsu at home? Here’s my thinking… - The outboard uses about a half gallon an hour at 6K RPM…about 5 knots under good conditions. - The generator’s 0.6 gallon tank will run the generator at full load for 7 hours. - Useful energy in the batteries is about 40 percent of capacity to avoid discharge below 50 percent…which is about 80AH. - The battery charger will provide up to 26A when bulk charging the battery if it is significantly discharged. - The trolling motor will draw 40A if run at position 5 (maximum speed), 32A at position 4, and about 24A on position 3. - The Dometic draws about 3A when running to maintain temperature, after cooled down, and it’s duty cycle is likely to be about 40-50 percent of the time while cruising in summer in the Gulf. - The Honda generator is quieter than the Tohatsu. - The outboard is a heavy load on the transom when not in use. - Solar panels are not mounted and are stored when underway. - On days when the wind is unreliable, on the trolling motor we can move about 20 miles (assume 3.5 knots) in 6 hours. If we run the generator long enough to bulk re-charge the batteries for their overnight use, about an hour, before getting underway, then the charger should be able to complete the absorption phase of charging during the six hours of re-positioning (is the assumption that the charger will provide 20A to the trolling motor while charging the battery a good one?) And the overall effect will be that I will use about a third of the fuel using the generator and charger and trolling motor in this fashion, rather than the Tohatsu. And be able to keep the batteries charged efficiently without running the generator for extended time at anchorage on days that we move to a new location (solar will be used if at anchor all day), and be able to leave that heavy outboard off the transom. Thanks for any comments on the feasibility of doing this… Will

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Re: M_Boats: Trolling motor for auxiliary propulsion
by Dan Farrell 06 Mar '17

06 Mar '17

Hi Will, A few years ago I purchased a 12v, 55lb thrust minnkota transom mount trying motor for use with my m17 on a lake that didn't allow gas engines. Like others, I found it powerful enough for only benign conditions. I grew to distrust its ability to power through heavier wind and waves. Nowadays I just use the sails as I feel more comfortable with sick and mooring approaches in force 5 or 6 under sail than I did with the troller. And if you can't trust it, what's the point? I did once use it on mille lacs, a 130,000 acre shallow choppy lake, to get out of a marina and into the lake, and I guess it worked, but I also was going maybe 50° into the wind and raised the sails as soon as I could. Since then I've considered the power it provides too low for any serious duties. If I were to repower with electric I'd look closely at a 24v, 100+ lb thrust model, but even that I fear just isn't made for aux work. For now I intend to use the old 6 horse Johnson on any water requiring auxiliary power. If I can only get it running again that is... Dan Farrell M17 #301 Wilson Frye <fryewe(a)mac.com> wrote: >All, > >Will any M17 owner who has used a trolling motor as auxiliary propulsion for leaving and approaching the dock, and for short term auxiliary propulsion when winds are light, share what you may have learned from the experience? > >I have a 6hp Tohatsu SailPro. It drives the boat at hull speed in benign conditions with very little throttle (perhaps quarter throttle). it sips fuel. It has a 6 amp alternator that is advertised as capability for recharging batteries. > >Fact is, the alternator is inadequate for battery charging. We will be cruising with a 50 quart Dometic refrigerator this year, and as a result we’ll be taking a 1000EUi Honda generator and a Noco Genius 26000 (26 amp capability…@14VDC that’s 364W) along to charge the 200AH of deep cycle batteries to keep them near topped up from day to day. > >Today it occurred to me that if my 45 pound thrust 12V trolling motor will push the boat at a reasonable speed when needed, why not leave the Tohatsu at home? > >Here’s my thinking… > - The outboard uses about a half gallon an hour at 6K RPM…about 5 knots under good conditions. > - The generator’s 0.6 gallon tank will run the generator at full load for 7 hours. > - Useful energy in the batteries is about 40 percent of capacity to avoid discharge below 50 percent…which is about 80AH. > - The battery charger will provide up to 26A when bulk charging the battery if it is significantly discharged. > - The trolling motor will draw 40A if run at position 5 (maximum speed), 32A at position 4, and about 24A on position 3. > - The Dometic draws about 3A when running to maintain temperature, after cooled down, and it’s duty cycle is likely to be about 40-50 percent of the time while cruising in summer in the Gulf. > - The Honda generator is quieter than the Tohatsu. > - The outboard is a heavy load on the transom when not in use. > - Solar panels are not mounted and are stored when underway. > - On days when the wind is unreliable, on the trolling motor we can move about 20 miles (assume 3.5 knots) in 6 hours. If we run the generator long enough to bulk re-charge the batteries for their overnight use, about an hour, before getting underway, then the charger should be able to complete the absorption phase of charging during the six hours of re-positioning (is the assumption that the charger will provide 20A to the trolling motor while charging the battery a good one?) > >And the overall effect will be that I will use about a third of the fuel using the generator and charger and trolling motor in this fashion, rather than the Tohatsu. And be able to keep the batteries charged efficiently without running the generator for extended time at anchorage on days that we move to a new location (solar will be used if at anchor all day), and be able to leave that heavy outboard off the transom. > >Thanks for any comments on the feasibility of doing this… > >Will

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Roller furlers for a Monty 17
by Thomas Buzzi 06 Mar '17

06 Mar '17

Sailors, Asking for input from those that have installed roller furlers on their Monty 17's. What brand do you have and what did it cost? Did you have to change out your forestay to install the unit? Do you like what you have? Did you have to have a special jib made for the furler? Thanks for your help. Fair winds, Tom B,Monty 17 "AS-IS"

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Re: M_Boats: Trolling motor for auxiliary propulsion
by Lenny 05 Mar '17

05 Mar '17

Sounds like you have solved your own problem, after all, it is a SAILboat, eh? Lenny Smith > On Mar 5, 2017, at 7:22 PM, Wilson Frye <fryewe(a)mac.com> wrote: > > All, > > Will any M17 owner who has used a trolling motor as auxiliary propulsion for leaving and approaching the dock, and for short term auxiliary propulsion when winds are light, share what you may have learned from the experience? > > I have a 6hp Tohatsu SailPro. It drives the boat at hull speed in benign conditions with very little throttle (perhaps quarter throttle). it sips fuel. It has a 6 amp alternator that is advertised as capability for recharging batteries. > > Fact is, the alternator is inadequate for battery charging. We will be cruising with a 50 quart Dometic refrigerator this year, and as a result we’ll be taking a 1000EUi Honda generator and a Noco Genius 26000 (26 amp capability…@14VDC that’s 364W) along to charge the 200AH of deep cycle batteries to keep them near topped up from day to day. > > Today it occurred to me that if my 45 pound thrust 12V trolling motor will push the boat at a reasonable speed when needed, why not leave the Tohatsu at home? > > Here’s my thinking… > - The outboard uses about a half gallon an hour at 6K RPM…about 5 knots under good conditions. > - The generator’s 0.6 gallon tank will run the generator at full load for 7 hours. > - Useful energy in the batteries is about 40 percent of capacity to avoid discharge below 50 percent…which is about 80AH. > - The battery charger will provide up to 26A when bulk charging the battery if it is significantly discharged. > - The trolling motor will draw 40A if run at position 5 (maximum speed), 32A at position 4, and about 24A on position 3. > - The Dometic draws about 3A when running to maintain temperature, after cooled down, and it’s duty cycle is likely to be about 40-50 percent of the time while cruising in summer in the Gulf. > - The Honda generator is quieter than the Tohatsu. > - The outboard is a heavy load on the transom when not in use. > - Solar panels are not mounted and are stored when underway.

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Montgomery 17 For Sale
by Jim Ellsworth 03 Mar '17

03 Mar '17

With long thought and consideration I have decided to list Grace Montgomery 17 #603 for sale. She has not been out sailing for awhile but for anyone who has sailed with her can attest she is probably one of the best looking and fully rigged M-17 out there. She has a green hull with a white waterline and has a list of equipment that you will not believe. I am listing her for $16,000 which is a far cry from the estimated $25,000 plus I have invested in her. Attached is a listing of equipment and a couple of pictures. For more information, pictures etc contact me at jellsworth603(a)gmail.com I am located in Southern California. Thanks, Jim Ellsworth

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M 15 wandering
by Klaas 26 Feb '17

26 Feb '17

Has anyone found a way of keeping a m15 on course when moving about on the boat . I sail and motor on the Fraser river single handed and ever time I move on the boat it will change direction with the tiller tied down . I'm thinking of maybe a Raymarine st1000 might work . Anyone tried this or have any thought on it with a m15 like mine Thanks Klaas

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2017 Wrinkleboat Ran-Tan results have been posted
by Dave Scobie 26 Feb '17

26 Feb '17

Details on the 2017 Wrinkleboat Ran-Tan racing results have been posted - https://wrinkleboat.wordpress.com/2016-results/ 'color commentary' about the event will be posted shortly. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html

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Re: M_Boats: Sage 15
by Dave Scobie 25 Feb '17

25 Feb '17

George. The SageCat, and Sage 15, have 220# of lead in a bulb at the bottom of the daggerboard. Draft is 3'6" daggerboard and rudder down. 9" when up. Details, pictures and videos on the boats can be seen through Sage's www - www.sagemarine.com Beside to chef out the BLOG for pictures and additional details ... Including one of the lead bulb used in the daggerboard. The prototype SageCat and Sage 15 are currently in their way to the Wrinkleboat ran-tan at lake Pleasant AZ. I'll be posting pics and details about ran-tan and boats in Sage's Instagram and Twitter feeds (links to these in Sage's www). :: Dave Scobie On Feb 13, 2017 6:14 PM, "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: There was a nice article in the latest SAIL magazine showing the Cat rig. Do not know if this is the boat Jerry was talking about in his SAC "Small Talk" column. Would love to sail one with a Flat Head. One can only wish at that price. I did not notice any spec for the draft in the article. Jerry I was wondering if any thought had been given to having a bulb on the end of the center board for additional righting moment. "We Can Not C ontrol the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Archives
by Keith 25 Feb '17

25 Feb '17

Thanks for all of the kind thoughts. Give our archives a test run again and let me know if you encounter any problems.

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Monty 17#44 Advice
by Jon Barber 25 Feb '17

25 Feb '17

Thanks to all who chimed in to my query about topside paints. It's nice to know there is a community of like minded people out there who are also crazy enough, obsessed enough to commit to the care and feeding of these marvelous boats. The decision on how to proceed with the topside repaint came down to fulfilling two requirements 1) Cost 2) Safety I got a quote from a local auto body shop who will paint the topsides from the waterline to the deck joint with their primer and two coats of Valspar 2 part paint for $600.00. This includes the cost of the paint. My plan is to use the boat for 5 years, at which point I'll be 68 and probably ready to downsize again. Monty 12? My safety concerns are centered around exposure to toxic compounds. We cannot put a price on our health and on the health of our families and neighbors(not to mention our pets). I would rather pay someone to apply these substances who is experienced in their use and proper disposal and who has the proper facility to handle them safely. We still don't know what causes cancer. but I don't want to take any risks. I an still deciding on how to get the bottom painted. A local marina quoted $1000 to apply bottom paint. That includes material, set up, environmental fees and labor. I need to have them quote application of a barrier coat. The boat will be in the water all summer (fresh) and I think it wise to take Bob Egg's advise on product and application of a barrier coat. What I really want is to get thru this process and start a new sailing season! I'll post photos when all is done. Jon Barber Monty17 #44 Modesto, CA Check this link to an essay by E.B. White https://genius.com/E-b-white-the-sea-and-the-wind-that-blows-annotated P.S. Is there a tutorial on how to use this site? Fair Winds!

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