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Monty in Chesapeake
by brad kurlancheek 02 May '17

02 May '17

1. Be careful if launching from Kent Narrows. If at low tide, it's a long way down the ladder, at the pier. Also, there's a wicked current there. If going south, you'll have to launch with mast down, in order to clear the 18 foot bridge. You can't buy a permit sticker at the landing. You'll need to find a marina shop in town there, I think it's on Route 18, to buy it. 2. There's a great little marina - Schnaicthman's - at Wye Landing. But you'll need to buy a permit fee (about $40 bucks I think), which you can buy right at the marina shop there. You can't park in the marina parking lot overnight but you can park your car and trailer right outside the gate overnight for a number of days if you wish. 3. Cambridge has no permit fee, has a huge parking lot, and large paved ramps, with easy access to the Choptank or Chesapeake. Plus the town's great to walk around in. 4. Oxford's really sweet, too. Stretch your legs, buy some groceries, see the wooden boat museum. I anchored near the town cemetary. I call it Cemetary Cove. You can spend a lifetime cruising the Chesapeake, and always find new places to explore. If you pack enough food on board, you can anchor out every night for days and days, avoiding marinas, fees, and restaurant costs - there's always a sheltered cove nearby somewhere to stay the night and watch the stars. Have a great time.

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Re: M_Boats: Racing in breezy conditions
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 02 May '17

02 May '17

Rick, Both of those responses are very good advice - If you are committed to the furler (what type - brand/model?) and you have the use of a halyard for the 135 use it like you would with a hank on sail - mo breeze - mo halyard tension - to keep the draft from migrating aft. Flat mainsails are seriously underrated - and far more valuable than a drafty sail - upwind a large part of the mainsail is the leech and staying 'out of the way' of the slot (headsail). Ask Larry Yake - he makes a 17 go real fast with a furler ! If you do not have a halyard due to the furler design - then Jerry's advice regarding the BS adjuster - (love it!) is your next important tool. Make sure you have sufficient cunningham on in a breeze as this will keep the slot open and cut down on the mainsail luff bubble from a closehauled overlapping jib, the cunningham can come on 'pretty hard' when breezy in order to keep the draft forward. Again, keep the headstay from sagging off to leeward and the draft from moving aft in the sail by maintaining tension via the BS. That and reefing at the upper range - unless you have a big crew on the rail will be your best bet. When my family raced C-22's, we sailed into that wind range with a 150 and reefed main and HIKE! Try the combination that works best for you and compare it to the suggestions - use a compass and speed measuring instrument then go with the Fast High combo! Good Luck - Go get 'em! GO In a message dated 5/1/2017 8:35:43 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, swwheatley(a)comcast.net writes: Reefing the genoa adversely impacts the boat's ability to point but reefing the main does not. So, all other things being equal, reef the main first. A fully deployed 135, however, will be a handful in a 20 kt breeze. Hopefully you have some burly crew. > On April 30, 2017 at 9:41 AM Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > GO, Jerry, and all the professional M17 racers out there, I need some > advice. I sail my M17, Lynne L, in club races every Tuesday evening and > occasional weekend regattas. I sail with a 135% genoa with a padded luff. > Racing in the 15 - 20 kt wind range I find that I'm often overpowered if I > keep both sails unreefed/unfurled, so I'm sailing a lot of the time with a > luff in the main. I have the option to reef the main, which allows me to > sail without depowering. A third option is to leave the main unreefed and > take a few turns on the jib furler. The boat seems to sail pretty well > under any of the three options, but it's hard to compare the performance of > the three. Does anyone have any a priori opinions as to which, if any, is > the best approach? > > Thanks, > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L

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Racing in breezy conditions
by Rick Davies 01 May '17

01 May '17

GO, Jerry, and all the professional M17 racers out there, I need some advice. I sail my M17, Lynne L, in club races every Tuesday evening and occasional weekend regattas. I sail with a 135% genoa with a padded luff. Racing in the 15 - 20 kt wind range I find that I'm often overpowered if I keep both sails unreefed/unfurled, so I'm sailing a lot of the time with a luff in the main. I have the option to reef the main, which allows me to sail without depowering. A third option is to leave the main unreefed and take a few turns on the jib furler. The boat seems to sail pretty well under any of the three options, but it's hard to compare the performance of the three. Does anyone have any a priori opinions as to which, if any, is the best approach? Thanks, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L

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Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound
by Daniel Rich 01 May '17

01 May '17

Montypals: Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 171, Issue 1
by Karen & Smiley 01 May '17

01 May '17

Watch the tides and ramp lengths for the Chesapeake Bay. You will love the sailing though. Good luck Smiley Karen & Smiley Magoo252(a)comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 2:00 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 171, Issue 1 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Monty in Chesapeake (sheppardtb(a)yahoo.com) 2. Re: Launch day! (Mark Dvorscak) 3. Re: Monty in Chesapeake (Steve Trapp) 4. Re: Monty in Chesapeake (Douglas Kelch) 5. Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Daniel Rich) 6. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Bob Eeg) 7. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Daniel Rich) 8. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Bob Eeg) 9. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Daniel Rich) 10. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Bob Eeg) 11. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Daniel Rich) 12. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Bob Eeg) 13. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Daniel Rich) 14. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (John Schinnerer) 15. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Thomas Buzzi) 16. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Robbin Roddewig) 17. Re: Monty in Chesapeake (Michael Murphy) 18. Re: Monty in Chesapeake (wcampion(a)aol.com) 19. Re: Racing in breezy conditions (STANLEY WHEATLEY) 20. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (STANLEY WHEATLEY) 21. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Thomas Buzzi) 22. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Daniel Rich) 23. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Thomas Buzzi) 24. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Bob Eeg) 25. Re: Racing in breezy conditions (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) 26. Re: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound (Daniel Rich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:12:06 -0400 From: sheppardtb(a)yahoo.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Monty in Chesapeake Message-ID: <00DB7D1D-2AFE-4E23-9D60-BA7B8C072093(a)yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm hoping to trailer my Monty 15 from Marmora NJ to sail for first time on Eastern Shore of Maryland. Any advise on marinas,or ,for that matter anything else. Planning Sept. trip for a week to ten days. Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:04:54 -0700 From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Launch day! Message-ID: <CAA3iV0KDTUcj7oG3QF+7aP1VB7TdU7C86YWsMZcWyTqvX9zewQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Our plan is to be in the islands the first two weeks of July this year. On Apr 30, 2017 08:46, "Larry Yake" <larryyake(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ah, that makes more sense. I missed the change of venue. If Jerry drives > like he sails, Winchester Bay would be about a 5 hour drive! Sounds like a > great sail, Mark. Are you going to be in the San Juans this year? I'll be > there in June and again in September. > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Two different places Larry. Jerry switched gears on us as he was > > reminiscing with John. The Don Carlos race is in Mexico, I do believe. > > The salmon fishing isn't too good right now, the commercial crabbing is > > winding down (although the recreational crabbing is still active). Fresh > > Dungeness and a stout sounds mighty good. I might just indulge myself! > > Sailing was pleasant today, the bar crossing was uneventful, the sun was > > shining, about a for foot swell running out of the west and the wind was > > steady. My best friend and sailing buddy, Ian, was with me and his wife > had > > packed is a great lunch. It was a wonderful start to our sailing season. > > Mark Dvorscak > > > > On Apr 29, 2017 20:41, "Larry Yake" <larryyake(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > A three day drive from Sacramento to Winchester Bay? Isn't that only > > about > > > a 500 mile trip? Traffic must really be horrible down there! Maybe I'm > > > thinking about the wrong place, or else Jerry drives with a whole > > different > > > mindset from when he's sailing. :-) > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:04 PM, <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: > > > > > > > You're bring up some good memories for me, too, John. I was born and > > > > raised in W. OR, ad when I was a kid we used to go to Win Bay and > fish, > > > > mostly for salmon but also other fish. Catching salmon was a thrill, > > > but I > > > > also remember the ice cold water; our feet would get numb playing in > > the > > > > surf. > > > > > > > > I also have vivid memories of my first Dan Carlos race; a bunch of > us, > > > > including you, caravanned down. You had a Venture 17 (can't remember > > the > > > > name) and I had a M-17 flush deck. A great time! 'd love to do the > > race > > > > again, but it's just too far for me to tow a boat; a three day drive > > from > > > > here in Sacatomatoes. The lake Pleasant race is far enough! > > > > > > > > The best to you! Stay out of the heat. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: jslubliner--- via montgomery_boats > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:22 PM > > > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Launch day! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark, as I am in the yard trimming the Fan Palms here in sunny, windy > > > > Tucson, I am well aware that you are enjoying two of my favorite > > places: > > > On > > > > deck of your own boat and at Winchester Bay. I remember a few years > > ago > > > > when Anne and I were at WB in our 5th wheel, you and your wife spent > a > > > very > > > > enjoyable afternoon with us. > > > > > > > > We wish you a great sailing season. I don't remember if it currently > > > 'tis > > > > the season', but if so, enjoy some of those dungeness crab and > perhaps > > an > > > > Imperial Stout Ale as well. > > > > > > > > John & Anne > > > > fmr FD17 #69 Coyote > > > > Tucson, Az > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > > > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmis > > > > sion.com> > > > > Sent: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 11:24 am > > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Launch day! > > > > > > > > Happy sailing! > > > > > > > > ~~~_/)~~~ Gary > > > > Sent from my iPhone :-) > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On my way to Winchester Bay to return Faith to her slip now that the > > > long, > > > >> wet, stormy winter has mostly passed. Might even? get out on? to > the > > > big > > > >> pond today if all goes well. > > > >> Mark > > > >> M23 Faith > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:19:52 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> To: <sheppardtb(a)yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Monty in Chesapeake Message-ID: <4C683468655E4F1495A0010CFDE0D455@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Get your trailer wheel bearings greased and check the tires before departing, then pressure wash the trailer and the boat after ouhauling from salt water and grease the bearings again. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound -----Original Message----- From: Tom Sheppard via montgomery_boats Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 12:12 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Monty in Chesapeake I'm hoping to trailer my Monty 15 from Marmora NJ to sail for first time on Eastern Shore of Maryland. Any advise on marinas,or ,for that matter anything else. Planning Sept. trip for a week to ten days. Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:32:25 -0700 From: Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch(a)gmail.com> To: sheppardtb(a)yahoo.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Monty in Chesapeake Message-ID: <CAFLA6DaD30==uezLzqfPDpe3X-A9TaVTFe-pqhAvOp7cVnxwQw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Tom, What kind of cruise did you have in mind. Sleeping on the boat in quite isolated coves or hopping from Marina to Marina? There are not a lot of Marinas on the Eastern shore which makes it a great cruising ground in my opinion. Thanks Doug Kelch M15G #310 "Seas the Day" On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Tom Sheppard via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > I'm hoping to trailer my Monty 15 from Marmora NJ to sail for first time > on Eastern Shore of Maryland. > Any advise on marinas,or ,for that matter anything else. > Planning Sept. trip for a week to ten days. > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:58:43 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <D6DDE7DD-1423-489C-8558-FE324C87F7FD(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Montypals: Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 04:15:49 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB1522E269551E4BFF01217112B7140(a)BN6PR17MB1522.namprd17.prod.outlook. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Daniel I like these 2 products that we use. (google) Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) Yes a machine . In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine It up like new Be well Bob Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Montypals: > > Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. > > So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich(a)gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:17:32 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <65153DF7-C75A-4D2B-BB4B-410AA402583C(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the quick response Bob! OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? Daniel > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Daniel > > I like these 2 products that we use. > > (google) > > Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) > Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) > > Yes a machine . > In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine > It up like new > > Be well > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Montypals: >> >> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. >> >> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 04:20:15 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB1522E9395938F16CAEE43448B7140(a)BN6PR17MB1522.namprd17.prod.outlook. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Get a proper buffer with a large pad. Worth the $39 bucks. Blue tape the teak And go to work. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the quick response Bob! > > OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? > > Daniel >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Daniel >> >> I like these 2 products that we use. >> >> (google) >> >> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >> >> Yes a machine . >> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine >> It up like new >> >> Be well >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Montypals: >>> >>> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. >>> >>> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >>> >>> >>> Daniel Rich >>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:22:44 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <BADF86B4-860B-4E0C-BC5C-257684D3511E(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, makes sense. Looks like something like this could work? https://smile.amazon.com/Black-Decker-WP900-6-Inch-Polisher/dp/B000077CPT/re f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493612482&sr=8-1&keywords=buffer <https://smile.amazon.com/Black-Decker-WP900-6-Inch-Polisher/dp/B000077CPT/r ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493612482&sr=8-1&keywords=buffer> Daniel > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Get a proper buffer with a large pad. Worth the $39 bucks. Blue tape the teak > And go to work. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the quick response Bob! >> >> OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? >> >> Daniel >>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> I like these 2 products that we use. >>> >>> (google) >>> >>> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >>> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >>> >>> Yes a machine . >>> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine >>> It up like new >>> >>> Be well >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Montypals: >>>> >>>> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. >>>> >>>> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> Daniel Rich >>>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 04:23:17 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB15220D2AAE9FEB2FD94E26D0B7140(a)BN6PR17MB1522.namprd17.prod.outlook. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the quick response Bob! > > OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? > > Daniel >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Daniel >> >> I like these 2 products that we use. >> >> (google) >> >> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >> >> Yes a machine . >> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine >> It up like new >> >> Be well >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Montypals: >>> >>> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. >>> >>> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >>> >>> >>> Daniel Rich >>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:24:27 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <7F7835A2-BC1B-4765-B15E-91FC81F51223(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a cabinet scraper? Daniel > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the quick response Bob! >> >> OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? >> >> Daniel >>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> I like these 2 products that we use. >>> >>> (google) >>> >>> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >>> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >>> >>> Yes a machine . >>> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine >>> It up like new >>> >>> Be well >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Montypals: >>>> >>>> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. >>>> >>>> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> Daniel Rich >>>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 04:28:26 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB1522E77D658579C6B22A2067B7140(a)BN6PR17MB1522.namprd17.prod.outlook. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with Velcro. Teak https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a cabinet scraper? Daniel On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: Thanks for the quick response Bob! OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? Daniel On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: Daniel I like these 2 products that we use. (google) Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) Yes a machine . In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine It up like new Be well Bob Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: Montypals: Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:49:29 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <73416F30-267F-4D4F-8566-968BCC0A093E(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will check that out. The teak has something on it like Cetol. Peeling off. So, I think I need some sort of mechanical removal of it. Maybe I will just have to sand it. Daniel > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with Velcro. > > Teak > https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. > > Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a cabinet scraper? > > Daniel > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Thanks for the quick response Bob! > > OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? > > Daniel > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Daniel > > I like these 2 products that we use. > > (google) > > Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) > Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) > > Yes a machine . > In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine > It up like new > > Be well > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Montypals: > > Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. > > So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:00:03 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <e1adc13b-73cf-e71b-0ecc-47c6f01d02e9(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I'm about finished re-doing all the exterior wood on my M17. It was varnished with something rather thick and Cetol-colored, sort of, peeling in the most exposed places, solid in the protected places. I have aluminum toe rails so the only exterior wood is hatch ribs, hatch sliders, companionway board holders, and cabin top hand rails. This is all done with pieces removed from boat. So no risk of stripper chemical messing with other materials. I've been using a regular stripping chemical - Kleen-Strip I think is the brand I bought. That takes a lot of the elbow grease out of getting most of it off. May take a few passes for the thickly coated parts (if yours is like mine). First pass gets most of it; second pass gets the thicker parts the first pass didn't penetrate to. And still some manual scraping and/or wire-brushing. I am re-finishing with teak oil. After stripping and sanding: 2 applications Daly's Seafil Ship-n-Shore sealer. 5 applications Daly's Seafin teak oil. Have done all but the cabin top handrails - those are just about stripped. The rest are finished and back on the boat. Comes out looking really great. cheers, John S. On 04/30/2017 09:49 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: > I will check that out. > > The teak has something on it like Cetol. Peeling off. So, I think I need some sort of mechanical removal of it. Maybe I will just have to sand it. > > Daniel >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with Velcro. >> >> Teak >> https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. >> >> Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a cabinet scraper? >> >> Daniel >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the quick response Bob! >> >> OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? >> >> Daniel >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Daniel >> >> I like these 2 products that we use. >> >> (google) >> >> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >> >> Yes a machine . >> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine >> It up like new >> >> Be well >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Montypals: >> >> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. >> >> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 00:36:16 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <CA+TbpAWaGpy6G86+ihUEJE8GZKXB0JVG1B0Oz8qcU9PPVTsq-g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I tried one of those polymer coatings for boats. Used "NewGlass2". My yellow hull hadn't been touched in at least seven years. The product advises you use something like "Softscurb" from the supermarket to remove any oxidation that would come off on your finger by touching the hull. Wash and rinse well. Let dry any oxidation remaining should be gone over with some wet or dry sandpaper wrapped around a wet sponge with plenty of water. Once that is done and rinsed use the applicator supplied and apply just wipe on at least five coats of the polymer.Don't sand too much getting off the oxidation since the polymer will just draw the remaining oxidation down into the porous gelcoat as it is applied. My yellow hull was cleaned as above. I then applied the polymer with the supplied squeegee. It takes about ten minutes to coat the hull of a 17. After the first coat go back to the starting place and start recoating again. It drys quickly. Try not to apply so much that you get drips. They are hard to remove without cleaning off all the polymer. Here the strakes in the hull are an advantage since the applicator just covers one width of a strake so one stroke applies a very nice application. Overlap slightly where you stopped your last stroke to blend in the subsequent strokes. It goes very quickly and is very satisfying to watch the deeeep luster build up right before your eyes. My hull looks just like the day I finished applying the polymer and that was three years ago. It took me about an hour or so to put on seven coats. I am not affiliated with this company, just a happy customer. Their number is 800-785-7675. Nice folks. One quart will do about four monty 17's or one Monty 4 times over the years. It is very easy to do the hull this way. No buffing. Check the Monty photo site under "AS-IS" to see a comparison of the starboard and port sides of the hull, half way though doing the hull. This is actually a fun process. Fair winds, Tom B ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 06:57:08 -0400 From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <15bc3a8258a-fca-10afc(a)webprd-a22.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Daniel I have a Makita circular buffer that works very well on my M-23. I use the 3-M cleaner wax combo or compound wax combo on my boat depending on the state of the gel coat. I think there may be more effective products but these seem to work well. Then I like the 3-M past wax which is most effective with a power buffer. The laps get in the way as they do on every hull project but the circular buffer works well. It is very much worth the money. Robbin M-23 pinch me (Monty owner until it sells) Robbin Roddewig robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, May 1, 2017 12:00 am Subject: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Montypals: Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:53:51 -0400 From: Michael Murphy <paulaandmike48(a)gmail.com> To: sheppardtb(a)yahoo.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Monty in Chesapeake Message-ID: <CAAPTC46D1g0CsRJfJRW1OCt=Dao-5qmZOLmJ3D-4vkzn3OmD1A(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Tom, I've had some nice cruises on the Eastern shore. If you are planning to use a public launch ramp be aware that many of them are County owned and you'll need a local permit for the ramp. These are easy to get by contacting the county. Also, many sporting goods and bait shops sell them. There is a large state park ramp near the western side of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge on the northern bay. From there it is a short hop across to the Eastern shore. Kent Narrows also has a free public ramp under the Highway bridge there. It is a good jump of point for the Chester River area, the Eastern Bay, and the Choptank Rvers. On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Tom Sheppard via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > I'm hoping to trailer my Monty 15 from Marmora NJ to sail for first time > on Eastern Shore of Maryland. > Any advise on marinas,or ,for that matter anything else. > Planning Sept. trip for a week to ten days. > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:09:06 -0400 From: wcampion(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Monty in Chesapeake Message-ID: <15bc457e3f6-5aa3-11b97(a)webprd-m46.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Tom, I've had the pleasure of sailing with both Mike and Doug. They're good sailors and they know the bay. I've lived in Md my whole life and can probably help you locate what you're looking for. You can contact me 'off list' and we can discuss your goal and tentative plans. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Michael Murphy <paulaandmike48(a)gmail.com> To: sheppardtb <sheppardtb(a)yahoo.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, May 1, 2017 8:54 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Monty in Chesapeake Tom, I've had some nice cruises on the Eastern shore. If you are planning to use a public launch ramp be aware that many of them are County owned and you'll need a local permit for the ramp. These are easy to get by contacting the county. Also, many sporting goods and bait shops sell them. There is a large state park ramp near the western side of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge on the northern bay. From there it is a short hop across to the Eastern shore. Kent Narrows also has a free public ramp under the Highway bridge there. It is a good jump of point for the Chester River area, the Eastern Bay, and the Choptank Rvers. On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Tom Sheppard via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > I'm hoping to trailer my Monty 15 from Marmora NJ to sail for first time > on Eastern Shore of Maryland. > Any advise on marinas,or ,for that matter anything else. > Planning Sept. trip for a week to ten days. > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: STANLEY WHEATLEY <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Racing in breezy conditions Message-ID: <283177476.618266.1493652913786(a)connect.xfinity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reefing the genoa adversely impacts the boat's ability to point but reefing the main does not. So, all other things being equal, reef the main first. A fully deployed 135, however, will be a handful in a 20 kt breeze. Hopefully you have some burly crew. > On April 30, 2017 at 9:41 AM Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > GO, Jerry, and all the professional M17 racers out there, I need some > advice. I sail my M17, Lynne L, in club races every Tuesday evening and > occasional weekend regattas. I sail with a 135% genoa with a padded luff. > Racing in the 15 - 20 kt wind range I find that I'm often overpowered if I > keep both sails unreefed/unfurled, so I'm sailing a lot of the time with a > luff in the main. I have the option to reef the main, which allows me to > sail without depowering. A third option is to leave the main unreefed and > take a few turns on the jib furler. The boat seems to sail pretty well > under any of the three options, but it's hard to compare the performance of > the three. Does anyone have any a priori opinions as to which, if any, is > the best approach? > > Thanks, > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: STANLEY WHEATLEY <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <1521750408.619293.1493653603233(a)connect.xfinity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Best way to strip an old finish is a heat gun and a good scraper like a Bahco/Sandvik. > > On May 1, 2017 at 12:49 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I will check that out. > > The teak has something on it like Cetol. Peeling off. So, I think I need some sort of mechanical removal of it. Maybe I will just have to sand it. > > Daniel > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with Velcro. > > > > Teak > > https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. > > > > Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a cabinet scraper? > > > > Daniel > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the quick response Bob! > > > > OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? > > > > Daniel > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Daniel > > > > I like these 2 products that we use. > > > > (google) > > > > Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) > > Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) > > > > Yes a machine . > > In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff 2000 to shine > > It up like new > > > > Be well > > Bob > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Montypals: > > > > Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected while I build my SCAMP. > > > > So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the laps will get in the way. Thoughts? > > > > Daniel Rich > > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > > danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:05:37 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: STANLEY WHEATLEY <swwheatley(a)comcast.net>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <CA+TbpAW3u4WZi43uhGQ1JJSibiX+Za+T2hcXDWjoKvCnPiw6Fw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If you take the teak off the boat it will be a LOT easier to deal with. Most old teak needs to be rebedded anyway. Don't know what happened to my email about "New Glass 2" but that is what I used and it was very easy to get a magnificent, long lasting shine! I don't sell the stuff but I certainly will use it again when that becomes necessary. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:46 AM, STANLEY WHEATLEY <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Best way to strip an old finish is a heat gun and a good scraper like a > Bahco/Sandvik. > > > > > On May 1, 2017 at 12:49 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I will check that out. > > > > The teak has something on it like Cetol. Peeling off. So, I think I > need some sort of mechanical removal of it. Maybe I will just have to sand > it. > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Bob Eeg < > montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with > Velcro. > > > > > > Teak > > > https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/ > userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich < > danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. > > > > > > Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a > cabinet scraper? > > > > > > Daniel > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg < > montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do > a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich < > danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the quick response Bob! > > > > > > OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad > on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? > > > > > > Daniel > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg < > montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > I like these 2 products that we use. > > > > > > (google) > > > > > > Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) > > > Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) > > > > > > Yes a machine . > > > In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff > 2000 to shine > > > It up like new > > > > > > Be well > > > Bob > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich < > danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Montypals: > > > > > > Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected > while I build my SCAMP. > > > > > > So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. > Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the > laps will get in the way. Thoughts? > > > > > > Daniel Rich > > > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > > > danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:09:54 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <a35446f8-fb72-7dba-39ba-e9df1f6130d3(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Well, getting the toe rails off will be a pain. I will probably do it in place. I may regret it. Daniel On 5/1/2017 10:05 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > If you take the teak off the boat it will be a LOT easier to deal with. > Most old teak needs to be rebedded anyway. Don't know what happened to my > email about "New Glass 2" but that is what I used and it was very easy to > get a magnificent, long lasting shine! I don't sell the stuff but I > certainly will use it again when that becomes necessary. > > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:46 AM, STANLEY WHEATLEY <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> > wrote: > >> Best way to strip an old finish is a heat gun and a good scraper like a >> Bahco/Sandvik. >> >>> On May 1, 2017 at 12:49 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> I will check that out. >>> >>> The teak has something on it like Cetol. Peeling off. So, I think I >> need some sort of mechanical removal of it. Maybe I will just have to sand >> it. >>> Daniel >>> >>> > > >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Bob Eeg < >> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with >> Velcro. >>>> Teak >>>> https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/ >> userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich < >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. >>>> >>>> Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a >> cabinet scraper? >>>> Daniel >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg < >> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do >> a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich < >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Thanks for the quick response Bob! >>>> >>>> OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad >> on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? >>>> Daniel >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg < >> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> I like these 2 products that we use. >>>> >>>> (google) >>>> >>>> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >>>> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >>>> >>>> Yes a machine . >>>> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff >> 2000 to shine >>>> It up like new >>>> >>>> Be well >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich < >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> Montypals: >>>> >>>> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected >> while I build my SCAMP. >>>> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. >> Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the >> laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >>>> Daniel Rich >>>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:14:12 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <CA+TbpAWDCSWKFKvOzKCFdYmzfYiXtJV+AH9oDeZv66Gtz+tR0w(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 True, I was referring more to the hatch slides and hand rails. etc. My 1977 has the metal, perforated toe rails. I did take those off and filled any fissures between the deck and the hull in that joint to make sure I didn't get any weeping leaks from there. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well, getting the toe rails off will be a pain. I will probably do it in > place. I may regret it. > > Daniel > > On 5/1/2017 10:05 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > >> If you take the teak off the boat it will be a LOT easier to deal with. >> Most old teak needs to be rebedded anyway. Don't know what happened to my >> email about "New Glass 2" but that is what I used and it was very easy to >> get a magnificent, long lasting shine! I don't sell the stuff but I >> certainly will use it again when that becomes necessary. >> >> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:46 AM, STANLEY WHEATLEY <swwheatley(a)comcast.net >> > >> wrote: >> >> Best way to strip an old finish is a heat gun and a good scraper like a >>> Bahco/Sandvik. >>> >>> On May 1, 2017 at 12:49 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I will check that out. >>>> >>>> The teak has something on it like Cetol. Peeling off. So, I think I >>>> >>> need some sort of mechanical removal of it. Maybe I will just have to >>> sand >>> it. >>> >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Bob Eeg < >>>>> >>>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with >>>>> >>>> Velcro. >>> >>>> Teak >>>>> https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/ >>>>> >>>> userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 >>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich < >>>>> >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. >>>>> >>>>> Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a >>>>> >>>> cabinet scraper? >>> >>>> Daniel >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg < >>>>> >>>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do >>>>> >>>> a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. >>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich < >>>>> >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the quick response Bob! >>>>> >>>>> OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad >>>>> >>>> on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? >>> >>>> Daniel >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg < >>>>> >>>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> I like these 2 products that we use. >>>>> >>>>> (google) >>>>> >>>>> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >>>>> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >>>>> >>>>> Yes a machine . >>>>> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff >>>>> >>>> 2000 to shine >>> >>>> It up like new >>>>> >>>>> Be well >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich < >>>>> >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Montypals: >>>>> >>>>> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected >>>>> >>>> while I build my SCAMP. >>> >>>> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. >>>>> >>>> Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the >>> laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >>> >>>> Daniel Rich >>>>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> > > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 17:14:25 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB1522CBD44A78872D9B36AAD6B7140(a)BN6PR17MB1522.namprd17.prod.outlook. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree with Tom but removing the toe rails would require popping out the teak plugs. And replacing them with new plugs. Not a big deal but more work. Some plugs won't come out perfectly and you end up chipping the radius. Bob Sent from my iPad > On May 1, 2017, at 10:10 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, getting the toe rails off will be a pain. I will probably do it in place. I may regret it. > > Daniel > >> On 5/1/2017 10:05 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> If you take the teak off the boat it will be a LOT easier to deal with. >> Most old teak needs to be rebedded anyway. Don't know what happened to my >> email about "New Glass 2" but that is what I used and it was very easy to >> get a magnificent, long lasting shine! I don't sell the stuff but I >> certainly will use it again when that becomes necessary. >> >> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:46 AM, STANLEY WHEATLEY <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Best way to strip an old finish is a heat gun and a good scraper like a >>> Bahco/Sandvik. >>> >>>> On May 1, 2017 at 12:49 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> I will check that out. >>>> >>>> The teak has something on it like Cetol. Peeling off. So, I think I >>> need some sort of mechanical removal of it. Maybe I will just have to sand >>> it. >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> > > >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Bob Eeg < >>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with >>> Velcro. >>>>> Teak >>>>> https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/ >>> userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich < >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. >>>>> >>>>> Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a >>> cabinet scraper? >>>>> Daniel >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg < >>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do >>> a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich < >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> Thanks for the quick response Bob! >>>>> >>>>> OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad >>> on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? >>>>> Daniel >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg < >>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> I like these 2 products that we use. >>>>> >>>>> (google) >>>>> >>>>> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >>>>> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >>>>> >>>>> Yes a machine . >>>>> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff >>> 2000 to shine >>>>> It up like new >>>>> >>>>> Be well >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich < >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> Montypals: >>>>> >>>>> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected >>> while I build my SCAMP. >>>>> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. >>> Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the >>> laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >>>>> Daniel Rich >>>>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> > > > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:32:00 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "STANLEY WHEATLEY" <swwheatley(a)comcast.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Racing in breezy conditions Message-ID: <A4F52D67A4BE44ADAD5639DF79853450@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original maybe get a good, strong 110 lapper and sheet it to the cabin top. Also, get a good backstay adjuster to keep the jib luff straight. You can use a Sage BS adjustor ready made. Of course, this is assuming you're not married to the jib furler. The sheeting angle of the smaller headsails is critical. I haven't looked at an M-17 for awhile, but you can probably find a good spot for the track just inside of the handrail. Be sure you measure the sheeting angle of the new track and tell the sailmaker. -----Original Message----- From: STANLEY WHEATLEY Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 8:35 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Racing in breezy conditions Reefing the genoa adversely impacts the boat's ability to point but reefing the main does not. So, all other things being equal, reef the main first. A fully deployed 135, however, will be a handful in a 20 kt breeze. Hopefully you have some burly crew. > On April 30, 2017 at 9:41 AM Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > GO, Jerry, and all the professional M17 racers out there, I need some > advice. I sail my M17, Lynne L, in club races every Tuesday evening and > occasional weekend regattas. I sail with a 135% genoa with a padded luff. > Racing in the 15 - 20 kt wind range I find that I'm often overpowered if I > keep both sails unreefed/unfurled, so I'm sailing a lot of the time with a > luff in the main. I have the option to reef the main, which allows me to > sail without depowering. A third option is to leave the main unreefed and > take a few turns on the jib furler. The boat seems to sail pretty well > under any of the three options, but it's hard to compare the performance > of > the three. Does anyone have any a priori opinions as to which, if any, is > the best approach? > > Thanks, > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:35:09 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound Message-ID: <7bc3a234-4f07-b069-dc58-6dd9ae80f0a6(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Well, not looking for a yacht quality job, so I will give it a go on the boat. Daniel On 5/1/2017 10:14 AM, Bob Eeg wrote: > I agree with Tom but removing the toe rails would require popping out the teak plugs. > > And replacing them with new plugs. Not a big deal but more work. Some plugs won't come out perfectly and you end up chipping the radius. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 1, 2017, at 10:10 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well, getting the toe rails off will be a pain. I will probably do it in place. I may regret it. >> >> Daniel >> >>> On 5/1/2017 10:05 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>> If you take the teak off the boat it will be a LOT easier to deal with. >>> Most old teak needs to be rebedded anyway. Don't know what happened to my >>> email about "New Glass 2" but that is what I used and it was very easy to >>> get a magnificent, long lasting shine! I don't sell the stuff but I >>> certainly will use it again when that becomes necessary. >>> >>> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:46 AM, STANLEY WHEATLEY <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Best way to strip an old finish is a heat gun and a good scraper like a >>>> Bahco/Sandvik. >>>> >>>>> On May 1, 2017 at 12:49 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I will check that out. >>>>> >>>>> The teak has something on it like Cetol. Peeling off. So, I think I >>>> need some sort of mechanical removal of it. Maybe I will just have to sand >>>> it. >>>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Bob Eeg < >>>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Not a fan of a sponge try to get a rotating rug. Held on with >>>> Velcro. >>>>>> Teak >>>>>> https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/ >>>> userportal/show_product.do?pid=9118 >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Daniel Rich < >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> This is good to know. My Monty needs some TLC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, what about the teak? A total mess. Should I scrape with a >>>> cabinet scraper? >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Bob Eeg < >>>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Also get an old windex to mist some water on the compound. Do >>>> a large section at a time. It cuts fast and doesn't take long. >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Daniel Rich < >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Thanks for the quick response Bob! >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, I will check them out. Can I get away with a buffing pad >>>> on my portable drill, or do I need an edge grinder or something else? >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Bob Eeg < >>>> montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> >>>>>> I like these 2 products that we use. >>>>>> >>>>>> (google) >>>>>> >>>>>> Aqua Buff 1000. (Cutting) >>>>>> Aqua Buff 2000 (finishing) >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes a machine . >>>>>> In the final stage we add some yellow wax to the Aqua Buff >>>> 2000 to shine >>>>>> It up like new >>>>>> >>>>>> Be well >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rich < >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Montypals: >>>>>> >>>>>> Man, my Monty has lots of oxidation. It has been neglected >>>> while I build my SCAMP. >>>>>> So, I want to rub out the hull, but I have never done it. >>>> Should I do it by hand, or use some kind of buffing machine? I think the >>>> laps will get in the way. Thoughts? >>>>>> Daniel Rich >>>>>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 171, Issue 1 ************************************************

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Monty in Chesapeake
by sheppardtb＠yahoo.com 01 May '17

01 May '17

I'm hoping to trailer my Monty 15 from Marmora NJ to sail for first time on Eastern Shore of Maryland. Any advise on marinas,or ,for that matter anything else. Planning Sept. trip for a week to ten days. Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: Cleaning the hull with rubbing compound
by Thomas Buzzi 30 Apr '17

30 Apr '17

I tried one of those polymer coatings for boats. Used "NewGlass2". My yellow hull hadn't been touched in at least seven years. The product advises you use something like "Softscurb" from the supermarket to remove any oxidation that would come off on your finger by touching the hull. Wash and rinse well. Let dry any oxidation remaining should be gone over with some wet or dry sandpaper wrapped around a wet sponge with plenty of water. Once that is done and rinsed use the applicator supplied and apply just wipe on at least five coats of the polymer.Don't sand too much getting off the oxidation since the polymer will just draw the remaining oxidation down into the porous gelcoat as it is applied. My yellow hull was cleaned as above. I then applied the polymer with the supplied squeegee. It takes about ten minutes to coat the hull of a 17. After the first coat go back to the starting place and start recoating again. It drys quickly. Try not to apply so much that you get drips. They are hard to remove without cleaning off all the polymer. Here the strakes in the hull are an advantage since the applicator just covers one width of a strake so one stroke applies a very nice application. Overlap slightly where you stopped your last stroke to blend in the subsequent strokes. It goes very quickly and is very satisfying to watch the deeeep luster build up right before your eyes. My hull looks just like the day I finished applying the polymer and that was three years ago. It took me about an hour or so to put on seven coats. I am not affiliated with this company, just a happy customer. Their number is 800-785-7675. Nice folks. One quart will do about four monty 17's or one Monty 4 times over the years. It is very easy to do the hull this way. No buffing. Check the Monty photo site under "AS-IS" to see a comparison of the starboard and port sides of the hull, half way though doing the hull. This is actually a fun process. Fair winds, Tom B

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Launch day!
by Mark Dvorscak 30 Apr '17

30 Apr '17

On my way to Winchester Bay to return Faith to her slip now that the long, wet, stormy winter has mostly passed. Might even get out on to the big pond today if all goes well. Mark M23 Faith

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M23 Dhana
by Gerald Wyatt 28 Apr '17

28 Apr '17

Hi All, Pictures and story for towing M23 Dhana across country can be found on the MSOG Photo Site. https://msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.php?i… Gerry

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Northwest Cruise Ideas
by Marty Loken 27 Apr '17

27 Apr '17

There are a few particular annual cruise events in the Northwest that would be perfect for Montgomery and Sage owners. The first is the upcoming May 26-28 Montague Harbour Small Boat Rendezvous on Galiano Island, in the British Columbia Gulf Islands. A lot of us from the Port Townsend area sail through the San Juan Islands from here, or from launch ramps near Bellingham, arriving at Montague by Friday the 26th. Some of us will continue cruising afterwards…but Montague is for all kinds of smaller boats, so it's specifically not a wooden-boat gathering. For details, email me (Monty 15 owner) at Norseboater22(a)gmail.com or check the 2017 calendar of events on the Port Townsend Pocket Yachters website, www.pocketyachters.com Another terrific event that combines wood and fiberglass boats is the annual Port Townsend Pocket Yacht Palooza, Saturday, July 22 at the Northwest Maritime Center in Port Townsend. (Dave Scobie will be there, as always, with one of the Sage boats.) After the show, which typically draws about 75 interesting smaller boats, we offer the three-day Palooza Crooza (July 23-25), in which about 30 or the 75 Palooza boats enjoy a group cruise in local-area waters. This year we'll overnight in Mats Mats Bay south of Port Townsend, and also Mystery Bay, Marrowstone Island. I'm the organizer of both events, so if you have questions you can email me at Norseboater22(a)gmail.com or check the Pocket Yachters website for details and lots of photos of past events-- www.pocketyachters.com - Marty Loken, Nordland, WA (M-15 and too many other boats)

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