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bottom paint redux
by Daniel Rich 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

OK, assuming now I need bottom paint, and I don’t want to do it myself, where in the SF Bay Area would be a good place to do it? I live in Sonoma County, but I could drop the boat off somewhere to do it. Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 148, Issue 10
by Antonio Martinez 14 Sep '15

14 Sep '15

I *think* this has current listings... Good luck! http://msog.org/cfmods/M-boats4sail.cfm?stat=sell Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 19:47:59 -0700 > From: Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan(a)live.com> > To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: new member > Message-ID: <BLU179-W45AF6209416427F7774ADA89B80(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Been sailing a long time. I have down sized from a 30' cat and looking to > get an M-15. > Located in Santee, ca > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > -- *Antonio Martinez* *Middle River Studio* 540-248-3310 (h) 540-414-4782 (c)

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Montgomery 15 Reupholstery
by David Grah 04 Sep '15

04 Sep '15

After a month living out of the boat on the road and a lot of sailing use this summer, it's time to recover the cabin and cockpit cushions in our 1986 Montgomery 15. I am not sure the upholstery shops in Bishop are adequately experienced and able selecting coverings and doing boat reupholstery, so am hoping to find a good place somewhere in California or Nevada that regularly does this sort of this where I could take the cushions. Would anyone in the group suggest a place to do it? It would be great to hear any experiences you have with going or having this sort of work done as well. Thanks! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky

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Towing (braking)
by David Grah 31 Aug '15

31 Aug '15

I've mostly towed my Montgomery 15 with two Toyota trucks, both 4 wheel drive manual transmission. One was 2.2 liter 4 cylinder, one is 3.4 liter 6 cylinder. Both pulled the boat fine with the 4 cylinder being a bit slower up grades or in headwinds. The main issue I have experienced towing with these trucks has not had to do with pulling but has had to do with braking. I live in a mountainous area with steep grades several miles long on ways to and from places I sail. Getting up these grades can be slow but it is getting down that gets my attention. Controlling speed can be a challenge, even using lower gears, but needing to stop unexpectedly on top of maintaining speed is what I am usually most concerned about. I assume my trucks have "stronger" brakes than the cars discussed here on this forum but don't see anyone discussing braking. I like the idea of towing with a car smaller than my trucks, but I wonder about how well these cars can brake under challenging conditions. Anyone have experience towing with a car in challenging braking conditions? David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky Sent from my iPhone

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sorry to bring it up again Towing
by Karen & Smiley 26 Aug '15

26 Aug '15

I am about ready to pull the trigger on either of these two cars that is capable of towing +2000 lbs. Mazda CX 5 w 2.5 liter engine good to 2200 lbs Subaru Outback w 2.5 liter engine good for 2700 lbs if trailer has brakes on it (no need for brakes below 2000 lbs) Any actual confirmed feedback on experiences with these cars or hp of your tow vehicles engine. Thanks Smiley M15 # 616 Karen & Smiley Magoo252(a)comcast.net <mailto:Magoo252@comcast.net>

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M17 for sale in Corpus Christi, Texas
by Thomas Buzzi 26 Aug '15

26 Aug '15

Hi Gilbert, Sorry to see you have the 17 up for sale. If you sell it in the area would you please forward my email address to the new owner so perhaps we can get in touch? I finally got the new aluminum trailer I ordered straightened out and am waiting on a new mainsail and outboard motor. May get the boat back in the water soon. thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com. Thanks, Tom B

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M17 for sale in Corpus Christi, Texas
by Gilbert Landin 26 Aug '15

26 Aug '15

I am selling my M17 1974 model with a recently rebuilt galvanized trailer, I finished an Interlux 2000 barrier coat and fresh coat of Trinidad Hydrocoat in May of 2015.Boat has not been in the water since. I have an Idasailor kick-up rudder that works way better than the original mahagony rudder. It has the lead pellets in the shoal keel, currently the center board is out and it is awaiting refinishing. If you are interested contact me off list and I can provide further details I an asking $4500.00 -- Gilbert Landin cell 774-7106

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m-15 Headsails
by doug blackwell 25 Aug '15

25 Aug '15

we are putting a second reef in our mainsail and looking for a smaller headsail, we were thinking of ordering a 60 percent jib, as a storm sail, as often it blows 25 where we live, any recommendations on a better size headsail, or sailmaker for the job? Doug&Ariane, the spitfire. On 2015-08-25, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag. (stevetrapp) > 2. North Carolina Cruising (Michael Murphy) > 3. Re: sorry to bring it up again Towing (stevetrapp) > 4. Re: sorry to bring it up again Towing (Tyler Backman) > 5. Re: M-17 Trailer Bunks (GILASAILR(a)aol.com) > > From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag. > Date: 24 August, 2015 12:22:03 PM PDT > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > Try the magazine, "Small Craft Advisor", published in Port Townsend, Washington. Contact them at: > P.O. Box 1343 > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > (360) 379-1930 > Or buy a copy at your local boating store or book and magazine store. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > To: <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Smanll Boats in a Big Boat Mag. > > >> On 7/16/2015 4:58 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: >> >> Hi George, >> >> Now that is surprising news about SAIL. >> >> In the past, and that's when I quit subscribing, they just talked about >> bigger and ever bigger sailboats till the only "acceptable" sailboats in >> their eyes were something in the 40 foot and up size that cost at least >> $150K - without equipment. >> >> Maybe they lost so many subscribers that they had to rethink their >> editorial policy, and swallowing their pride, now can talk about a 21 >> foot boat. Oh what a denouement ....! >> >> Connie >> >> >>> Imagine my surprise when I opened my mailbox and found a Wrinkle Boat on the >>> cover of the August issue of SAIL. It tuned out to be a Norseboat 21.5. Not >>> only that, but there were a number of articles on our kind of small boat >>> sailing. “Beach Cruising” by Roy Hoddinolt about sailing in a Sea Pearl 21, >>> “Nuts & Bolts of Sail Camping” by Ida Little & Michael Walsh in the Bahamas >>> for months. “Yrvind the Swede” sailing in home built boats 14’ to 19’ across >>> oceans and even around the Horn. A Side Bar in which most of the small >>> boats we subscribe too were mentioned, Sage 17 even had an ad in this issue. >>> It also contained an article “Something for the Weekend” about a ½ dozen >>> boats one would read about in SCA or GOB which I also subscribe to. >>> >>> >>> >>> Since the cat is out of the bag about my getting SAIL you might as well know >>> that I also get “Cruising World” and have been thinking about getting >>> “Classic Boats” :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> George >>> >>> Merry Helen II >>> >>> 96 M15 #602 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4365/9875 - Release Date: 05/26/15 >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> > > > > From: Michael Murphy <paulaandmike48(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: North Carolina Cruising > Date: 24 August, 2015 6:50:27 PM PDT > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > Perquimans River to Pasquotank River: > > Most of the launch sites for cruising the Albemarle Sound are located two > to four miles up one of the ten rivers that feed the Sound. Perquimans > River has 2 public ramps: one at downtown Herford across from the Police > Station and the other on the west side of the river at New Hope. The > Hertford ramp has limited parking on-site but offers a large lot about a > block away. If you wish to raise the mast on the hard you have to do it on > a slope right at the ramp, or on the street next to a whole set of NO > PARKING signs. Best to avoid the weekend when sport fishermen keep the > ramp crowded. > > > > The New Hope site is a double ramp. A single channel was recently deepened > for access to the main waterway. The excavator used to dredge the channel > crushed the south side ramp. The north ramp is short but steep for easy > launching. The challenge is to warp the boat around and get out without > snagging overhanging bushes and trees while staying in the channel. It > seemed a good idea to raise the mast after launching and motor past the > trees into the river. With the masthead in a temporary X-frame gallows I > can use the rudder for better maneuverability. The butt of the mast is > cinched down on the pulpit. When the waves are less than a foot it is easy > to raise it as long as you remember to walk in a straight line down the > center line of the boat. Widely placed steps induce unnecessary rocking > which is not fun with the mast ½ way up. > > > > Once on the river it was a short 5 mile reach to the Sound and then a 10 > mile beat to the Pasquotank River. With winds about 8 knots it was > possible to sail the 2’ chart contour approximately 300 yards off-shore and > enjoy the scenery. Rounding the daymark at the Pasquotank I headed to Big > Flatty Creek where I hoped to anchor. > > > > I seldom discourage people to use their M-15 for gunkhole exploration but > Big Flatty is not recommended. If the shoals don’t get you the mass of > wire grass can bring you to a stop. > > Although I tried to follow a crab boat into the local fish house he made > more turns than I could follow. The good news was that a sheltered > anchorage was only 5 miles away in Little River. With winds aft it was a > fast 4.5 knot finish to the day. Sunday also brought 8 knots winds for a > fast trip (i.e. minimal tacking) back to the ramp. > > > > > From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: sorry to bring it up again Towing > Date: 24 August, 2015 7:38:12 PM PDT > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > I know by the date that this topic has come and gone, but I have been away from responding to M-Boats for awhile. I attempted to tow my M-15 with my Subaru Forrester and found it simply not up to the task, so I resumed towing my M-15 with my old but reliable Ford Ranger V-6, which does the job fine. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Schinnerer" <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: sorry to bring it up again Towing > > >> Always a useful topic... :-) >> >> You're talking about a brand new car of one of these? >> In any case... >> The Subaru is all-wheel drive (AWD) whatever Outback model (engine, >> trans) you get. >> The Mazda has 2WD or AWD options, 2WD at the lower price point. >> >> AWD is really nice to have on slippery boat ramps, so if you go for the >> Mazda, I say get the AWD (it's also nice to have for a lot of other >> adventures and for winter driving if you live in snow country). >> >> Either one should not be at all stressed to tow an M-15. If it were an >> M-17 I would say go with the extra margin the Subaru claims (2700 vs. >> 2200 for the Mazda). And remember a lot of it is about brakes! See if >> you can find info on which has the better rated (actual testing, by e.g. >> Car & Driver or similar) brakes. >> >> I have an older Outback (2001), which is only rated 2000 lbs. towing. I >> have rear overload springs and slightly better-than-stock front brakes. >> I would be confident towing an M-17 or equivalent; beyond confident for >> an M-15. >> >> Daniel may want to chime in, he tows his M-15 with a newer Impreza (same >> carcass and engine, different body than Outback) rated same as you are >> looking at (2700). I recall he said it is more than adequate. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> >> On 07/19/2015 03:12 PM, Karen & Smiley wrote: >>> I am about ready to pull the trigger on either of these two cars that is >>> capable of towing +2000 lbs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mazda CX 5 w 2.5 liter engine good to 2200 lbs >>> >>> >>> >>> Subaru Outback w 2.5 liter engine good for 2700 lbs if trailer has brakes on >>> it (no need for brakes below 2000 lbs) >>> >>> >>> >>> Any actual confirmed feedback on experiences with these cars or hp of your >>> tow vehicles engine. Thanks Smiley M15 # 616 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Karen & Smiley >>> >>> Magoo252(a)comcast.net <mailto:Magoo252@comcast.net> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4365/9875 - Release Date: 05/26/15 >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> > > > > From: Tyler Backman <casioqv(a)usermail.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: sorry to bring it up again Towing > Date: 24 August, 2015 10:56:05 PM PDT > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > Steve, > > What was the problem with the Forester? Too little power to keep up with traffic or something else? > > Tyler > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 7:38 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >> >> I know by the date that this topic has come and gone, but I have been away from responding to M-Boats for awhile. I attempted to tow my M-15 with my Subaru Forrester and found it simply not up to the task, so I resumed towing my M-15 with my old but reliable Ford Ranger V-6, which does the job fine. >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Schinnerer" <john(a)eco-living.net> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:28 PM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: sorry to bring it up again Towing >> >> >>> Always a useful topic... :-) >>> >>> You're talking about a brand new car of one of these? >>> In any case... >>> The Subaru is all-wheel drive (AWD) whatever Outback model (engine, >>> trans) you get. >>> The Mazda has 2WD or AWD options, 2WD at the lower price point. >>> >>> AWD is really nice to have on slippery boat ramps, so if you go for the >>> Mazda, I say get the AWD (it's also nice to have for a lot of other >>> adventures and for winter driving if you live in snow country). >>> >>> Either one should not be at all stressed to tow an M-15. If it were an >>> M-17 I would say go with the extra margin the Subaru claims (2700 vs. >>> 2200 for the Mazda). And remember a lot of it is about brakes! See if >>> you can find info on which has the better rated (actual testing, by e.g. >>> Car & Driver or similar) brakes. >>> >>> I have an older Outback (2001), which is only rated 2000 lbs. towing. I >>> have rear overload springs and slightly better-than-stock front brakes. >>> I would be confident towing an M-17 or equivalent; beyond confident for >>> an M-15. >>> >>> Daniel may want to chime in, he tows his M-15 with a newer Impreza (same >>> carcass and engine, different body than Outback) rated same as you are >>> looking at (2700). I recall he said it is more than adequate. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John S. >>> >>> >>> On 07/19/2015 03:12 PM, Karen & Smiley wrote: >>>> I am about ready to pull the trigger on either of these two cars that is >>>> capable of towing +2000 lbs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mazda CX 5 w 2.5 liter engine good to 2200 lbs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subaru Outback w 2.5 liter engine good for 2700 lbs if trailer has brakes on >>>> it (no need for brakes below 2000 lbs) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any actual confirmed feedback on experiences with these cars or hp of your >>>> tow vehicles engine. Thanks Smiley M15 # 616 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Karen & Smiley >>>> >>>> Magoo252(a)comcast.net <mailto:Magoo252@comcast.net> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4365/9875 - Release Date: 05/26/15 >>> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >>> >> >> >> -- >> > > > > > > > From: GILASAILR(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Trailer Bunks > Date: 25 August, 2015 9:09:38 AM PDT > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > ++1 > > GO > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2015 9:38:06 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > casioqv(a)usermail.com writes: > > Moving bunks are okay on a trailer with hinged bunks or rollers designed > for that purpose, but I wouldn't leave any bolts loose as they will just > cause unstable bunks, and the nuts could rattle off. I've had good luck using > galvanized lag bolts, applied with double nuts tightened against one > another. I also apply thick waterproof green grease to the entire thread surface > beforehand, which seems to last years in the water and prevent it from ever > rusting. Cold dipped galvanized bolts will last longer in a wood bunk than > stainless steel, as stainless steel fails to be stainless in a wet and > salty low oxygen environment- instead it corrodes rapidly (sodium ion crevice > corrosion). > > If the bunks don't currently match up to the hull, you could modify the > bunk support posts to make them match up better. > > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Makela" <richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 12:05:14 PM > Subject: M_Boats: M-17 Trailer Bunks > > I am re-carpeting and generally refurbishing the bunks on my 1977 vintage > M-17 trailer. The bolts that attach the bunks to the posts are badly > rusted > and a bit loose. Should the bunks be firmly anchored to the posts, or > should they be allowed to rock sideways a bit to match up with the hull? > > > > Rich Makela > > M-17 #233 - Harmony > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 Trailer Bunks
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Aug '15

25 Aug '15

++1 GO In a message dated 8/24/2015 9:38:06 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, casioqv(a)usermail.com writes: Moving bunks are okay on a trailer with hinged bunks or rollers designed for that purpose, but I wouldn't leave any bolts loose as they will just cause unstable bunks, and the nuts could rattle off. I've had good luck using galvanized lag bolts, applied with double nuts tightened against one another. I also apply thick waterproof green grease to the entire thread surface beforehand, which seems to last years in the water and prevent it from ever rusting. Cold dipped galvanized bolts will last longer in a wood bunk than stainless steel, as stainless steel fails to be stainless in a wet and salty low oxygen environment- instead it corrodes rapidly (sodium ion crevice corrosion). If the bunks don't currently match up to the hull, you could modify the bunk support posts to make them match up better. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Makela" <richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 12:05:14 PM Subject: M_Boats: M-17 Trailer Bunks I am re-carpeting and generally refurbishing the bunks on my 1977 vintage M-17 trailer. The bolts that attach the bunks to the posts are badly rusted and a bit loose. Should the bunks be firmly anchored to the posts, or should they be allowed to rock sideways a bit to match up with the hull? Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony

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