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Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 23 Jul '13

23 Jul '13

+1 on open body turnbuckles. Lock nuts on closed body t-buckles are not a good solution. GO In a message dated 7/23/2013 4:24:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net writes: On 23-Jul-13 2:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: Hi George, Replace your closed body turnbuckles with open body turn buckles. Then you can see where the threads are, and they should have holes at the ends so that you can insert cotter pins and know that they are secure. It's a small price to pay for safety and security. Connie > Larry > > I have had turnbuckles that were made that way but they were open body the > ones I have now are closed body and you can not get to threads internal to > the body. I guess one could drill the hole at the other end of the threads. > Tape seems to be doing the trick right now. > > George > Merry Helen II M15 #602 > 'We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust our Sails' > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Hughston, Larry@DGS > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:26 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure > > I have seen a few owners drill a very small hole in the thread ends of the > turnbuckle. A small ss cotter pin is then inserted into the drilled holes. > If the cotter pin is large enough the turnbuckle will not back out since it > can't turn. This all assumes that you do not make frequent adjustments on > the stays. Just my $.02 worth.....Larry and "Old 189" M-15 in Sacramento, > Ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George > Iemmolo > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:53 PM > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure > > OUCH IS RIGHT > > I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat > in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise > mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check > every time prior to and after sailing:-) > > George > Merry Helen II M15 #602 > 'We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust our Sails' > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM > To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure > > Roger that Ron, not a fun day. > > Thanks > Tony Cox > M-17 294 > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil > <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > >> Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our >> case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the > other. >> Not a fun day. >> >> Regards, >> Ron McNeil >> M17 675 >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM >> Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure >> >> >> Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay > snapped >> at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should >> replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? >> Where do you suggest I go? >> >> Tony Cox >> M-17 #294 >> > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Deck paint
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 23 Jul '13

23 Jul '13

if you are talking about non-skid areas ......I used Kiwi Grip and I have been very satisfied with it. I would use it again.

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Mast failure
by Tony Cox 23 Jul '13

23 Jul '13

Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go? Tony Cox M-17 #294

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Photo of pins in turnbuckle was 'Mast Failure'
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 23 Jul '13

23 Jul '13

J/24 High Speed Pins (Scar Pins) High Speed Pins Sold in packs of 8 Stop fumbling with your ring dings. Replace them with HS pins for quicker rig adjustments. Insert in threaded stud hole and secure with attached double-sided Velcro. Won't snag kites either. Sold in packs of eight. _OBHSP03_ (http://www.apsltd.com/p-7793-332-scar-pins-8.aspx) 3/32 Scar Pins (8) Price: $19.95 check prices as they vary widely - APS is where I shop for them -NFIW. GO

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Montgomery's on Kauai
by Thomas Nixon 22 Jul '13

22 Jul '13

I'm on Kauai for a couple of weeks. I have an M-17 at home in California that I'm getting ready for the water. Any Montgomery owners on Kiaui that feel like going for a sail? Tom Nixon Sent from my iPad

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FW: Mast failure
by George Iemmolo 22 Jul '13

22 Jul '13

George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo [mailto:griemmolo2@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Mast failure OUCH IS RIGHT I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-) George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure Roger that Ron, not a fun day. Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case > both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. > Not a fun day. > > Regards, > Ron McNeil > M17 675 > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure > > > Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped > at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace > the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? > Where do you suggest I go? > > Tony Cox > M-17 #294 >

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Deck paint
by Thomas Buzzi 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Anyone have first hand experience with a deck paint that works well? My gelcoat is past trying to save. Tom B M-17 #258

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Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Tom, There are PHRF and Portsmouth ratings for the boat (M-17) in three configurations - Standard rig , Tall rig, Flush deck, the boats were raced in the West and Southwest for a period of time -'back in the day' The tall rig affects my rating where ever I race - except a race like the Cruiser Challenge - We sailed a tall rig (Bill G.'s 'Andiamo') at Monterey last weekend. The CC uses no handicap ratings they split the fleet by overall length. I sail primarily in Arizona - light air to ZERO - so I decided the tall rig was in order. M-17's have a long and storied history on Lake Havasu - they have been racing there since the 70's. I race with a 'Tall rig' rating either PHRF or D-PN - whichever the authority chooses for scoring. http://offshore.ussailing.org/Portsmouth_Yardstick/Current_Tables/Offshore_C lasses_F-N.htm The best 21 inches for a M-17's rig. Little to no detrimental effect at higher wind ranges - HUGE difference in light air. value of rig is my opinion - ever see a Renault driver that didn't think they were GREAT cars...? Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing (too hot here) GO M-17t sail # 354 'Tiny Purple Fishes' In a message dated 7/20/2013 7:34:27 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com writes: Looks like a great site if you need a mast. How does that affect your phf(?) for racing on Lake Havasu? Tom, M-17 hull #258 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the info GO, I will check it out. > > Tony Cox > M17 294 > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:30 PM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > > > Tony, > > > > My mast was 'worn out' - tired, beat up, and I wanted to change over to a > > tall rig. I was not happy with the soft and flexible extrusion of the > > original mast section so I contacted Bill Ballenger at Ballenger Spars in > > Watsonville CA. After a bit of discussion we agreed on a mast section > (4026) and > > I supplied the dimensions for the tall rig (21 inches longer) I noted > the > > location of my gooseneck and halyard exits and he built me an excellent > > mast. I provided a drawing of the masthead dimensions and they built a > welded > > fitting with replaceable sheaves and axles! Jerry M. made the shrouds > and > > stays and we have been happy ever since. If you look on the MSOG site - > > M-17's 'LB/GF!' (looks bad/goes fine!) check out the couple of > pictures there > > - fixed airfoil spreaders, doublers at butt and spreaders - super fine > > workmanship and VERY fair price. > > > > The location of the spar manufacturer relative to your location can be > > important, as the freight on a 20'+ tube that needs to be 'top load' can > get > > quite expensive. > > > > FWIW NFIW -just really good service and a great product - (I sold boats > for > > +30 years - I am particular about boat parts!) {;>) > > > > Check them out if you are interested. > > > > _www.ballengerspars.com_ (http://www.ballengerspars.com) > > > > The pre-feed on the throat of the sail track is worth the 'price of > > admission'! > > Picture of the rig from 2013 LHPCC is attached. > > > > GO > > > > M-17t sail # 354 > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/19/2013 9:33:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > > cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: > > > > GO, > > > > I live in Silverton, Oregon. My boat is moored on Detroit Lake. > > > > Tony Cox > > M17 294 > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> Tony, > >> > >> What part of the countryside are you located in? > >> > >> GO > >> M17t sail #354 > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 7/19/2013 7:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > >> cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: > >> > >> Roger that Ron, not a fun day. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Tony Cox > >> M-17 294 > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil > >> <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > >> > >>> Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our > >> case > >>> both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the > > other. > >>> Not a fun day. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Ron McNeil > >>> M17 675 > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> > >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM > >>> Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure > >>> > >>> > >>> Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay > >> snapped > >>> at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should > >> replace > >>> the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? > >>> Where do you suggest I go? > >>> > >>> Tony Cox > >>> M-17 #294 > >>> > >> > >> > > > > <BlogM17.jpg> > >

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Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Buzz Ballenger is the man to speak to (owner) got my names mixed up. GO In a message dated 7/20/2013 6:57:09 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: Thanks for the info GO, I will check it out. Tony Cox M17 294 Sent from my iPad On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:30 PM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Tony, > > My mast was 'worn out' - tired, beat up, and I wanted to change over to a > tall rig. I was not happy with the soft and flexible extrusion of the > original mast section so I contacted Bill Ballenger at Ballenger Spars in > Watsonville CA. After a bit of discussion we agreed on a mast section (4026) and > I supplied the dimensions for the tall rig (21 inches longer) I noted the > location of my gooseneck and halyard exits and he built me an excellent > mast. I provided a drawing of the masthead dimensions and they built a welded > fitting with replaceable sheaves and axles! Jerry M. made the shrouds and > stays and we have been happy ever since. If you look on the MSOG site - > M-17's 'LB/GF!' (looks bad/goes fine!) check out the couple of pictures there > - fixed airfoil spreaders, doublers at butt and spreaders - super fine > workmanship and VERY fair price. > > The location of the spar manufacturer relative to your location can be > important, as the freight on a 20'+ tube that needs to be 'top load' can get > quite expensive. > > FWIW NFIW -just really good service and a great product - (I sold boats for > +30 years - I am particular about boat parts!) {;>) > > Check them out if you are interested. > > _www.ballengerspars.com_ (http://www.ballengerspars.com) > > The pre-feed on the throat of the sail track is worth the 'price of > admission'! > Picture of the rig from 2013 LHPCC is attached. > > GO > > M-17t sail # 354 > > > > > In a message dated 7/19/2013 9:33:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: > > GO, > > I live in Silverton, Oregon. My boat is moored on Detroit Lake. > > Tony Cox > M17 294 > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> What part of the countryside are you located in? >> >> GO >> M17t sail #354 >> >> >> In a message dated 7/19/2013 7:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >> cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: >> >> Roger that Ron, not a fun day. >> >> Thanks >> Tony Cox >> M-17 294 >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil >> <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: >> >>> Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our >> case >>> both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the > other. >>> Not a fun day. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ron McNeil >>> M17 675 >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM >>> Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay >> snapped >>> at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should >> replace >>> the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? >>> Where do you suggest I go? >>> >>> Tony Cox >>> M-17 #294 >>> >> >> > > <BlogM17.jpg>

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Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Tony, My mast was 'worn out' - tired, beat up, and I wanted to change over to a tall rig. I was not happy with the soft and flexible extrusion of the original mast section so I contacted Bill Ballenger at Ballenger Spars in Watsonville CA. After a bit of discussion we agreed on a mast section (4026) and I supplied the dimensions for the tall rig (21 inches longer) I noted the location of my gooseneck and halyard exits and he built me an excellent mast. I provided a drawing of the masthead dimensions and they built a welded fitting with replaceable sheaves and axles! Jerry M. made the shrouds and stays and we have been happy ever since. If you look on the MSOG site - M-17's 'LB/GF!' (looks bad/goes fine!) check out the couple of pictures there - fixed airfoil spreaders, doublers at butt and spreaders - super fine workmanship and VERY fair price. The location of the spar manufacturer relative to your location can be important, as the freight on a 20'+ tube that needs to be 'top load' can get quite expensive. FWIW NFIW -just really good service and a great product - (I sold boats for +30 years - I am particular about boat parts!) {;>) Check them out if you are interested. _www.ballengerspars.com_ (http://www.ballengerspars.com) The pre-feed on the throat of the sail track is worth the 'price of admission'! Picture of the rig from 2013 LHPCC is attached. GO M-17t sail # 354 In a message dated 7/19/2013 9:33:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: GO, I live in Silverton, Oregon. My boat is moored on Detroit Lake. Tony Cox M17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: > Tony, > > What part of the countryside are you located in? > > GO > M17t sail #354 > > > In a message dated 7/19/2013 7:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: > > Roger that Ron, not a fun day. > > Thanks > Tony Cox > M-17 294 > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil > <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our > case > > both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. > > Not a fun day. > > > > Regards, > > Ron McNeil > > M17 675 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM > > Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure > > > > > > Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay > snapped > > at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should > replace > > the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? > > Where do you suggest I go? > > > > Tony Cox > > M-17 #294 > > > >

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