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Re: M_Boats: M15 Porta potti measurement
by W David Scobie 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

George: the Thetford Model TC 26104 Porta Pot is also known as the Thetford 135. this is the potti that the Glessers have in the '86 M15. i also had a 135 in my '84 M15. as Tom wrote the '135' unit has been discontinued. Theford is making a replacement (model 260) BUT the 'exact replacement' isn't an exact replacement! the base is not the same size and will not fit in the M15. so ... do some Internet searching to see if you can find some remaining stock, or look for one that may fit (i haven't found one). the 'wag bag' system is an option - http://www.cleanwaste.com/demo/go-anywhere-toilet the 'toilet', when assembled, will not fit in the M15's potti-space when the v-berth cover is in place. this means you need to set up the unit each time it is used. another option is to use the 'wag bags' in a bucket that is cut down to fit under the v-berth. there are toilet seats made to fit on buckets and seal (do an Internet search for 'bucket toilet seat'). > We can also hope Dave Scobie is not on a cruise, > 'cause he knows about all this stuff. sadly i'm not on Larry Yake's annual San Juan and Gulf Is. cruise :-( busy buildin' boats :-) (a good thing) --- On Sun, 6/16/13, Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> wrote: > > Tim, > > I have an M17 (Hull 626, 2004), but I imagine the opening > for a porta potti is the same on both our models. My > Thetford Model TC 26104 Porta Pot just fits, although I > don't know if it is still made. It is 15" front to > back, 12.5" wide, and 12" high (must be 2.5 gallons). > Thetford and SeaLand both make units of about that size, so > I think you should measure your spot just to make sure 1/2" > or so difference is not that critical. > You might also look into the waste absorbent packs that were > in vogue awhile back, if they are still > available. We can also hope Dave Scobie is > not on a cruise, 'cause he knows about all this stuff. > > Tom Jenkins > June Lake, CA > > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Tim Erwin wrote: > > > Hello from the Texas Redneck Riviera > > The year model of my boat is a 2007. There is a recess > where the porta potti should fit, I assume. I would > appreciate it if someone could save me some time and just > tell me make and model that fits. > > Thanks > > Tim Erwin. 2007 m15. ( Dark Star ) # 641 > > Rockport, Texas > > >

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Any M17s out there?
by janisaz＠comcast.net 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

Yes, lots I suspect. We are a NAFTA M17- permanent home in Tucson, sail in Lake Havasu and Mexico and currently moo r ed in British Columbia on Howe Sound. I understand there was a recent small fleet who w ent from Fri day Harbor to Desolation Sound. Janis Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "montgomery boats-request" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:10:35 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 124, Issue 9 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. IDA Rudder (Theodore Weidenbach) 2. Re: IDA Rudder (Rick Davies) 3. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (stevetrapp) 4. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (wcampion(a)aol.com) 5. 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Re: Portland Oregon (Tony Cox) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:02:54 -0500 From: Theodore Weidenbach <weid0069(a)umn.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: IDA Rudder Message-ID: <CAMc_ootxhLCxi_iXZ8J_MzEzd9p-fK5Fqa4qUkzLTqmaUAdO+g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 HI all, I am considering buying an IDA rudder. Is it worth it? I feel like my rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel very strong. Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be better? Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! Thanks, ted ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:31:41 -0400 From: Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: IDA Rudder Message-ID: <CA+0OvVjQ5jUZurt+x-bMxqkA85dzxRS+rZx8_7_49g_eTky27g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Ted, I bought a Ruddercraft Unifoil kickup rudder for my M17 this spring, and so far have nothing but good to say about it. It's solidly built and easy to raise and lower. The hydraulic spring piston holds it down, and, after hitting an obstruction (like the bottom), it returns to vertical by itself. It replaced an older manual IdaSailer rudder, and there's no comparison. Ruddercraft is also a good company to do business with. Are you putting it on an M17? Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Theodore Weidenbach wrote: > HI all, > > I am considering buying an IDA rudder. Is it worth it? I feel like my > rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel very strong. > Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be better? > > Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! > Thanks, > ted > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:42:11 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <8004A6C7E66E46DA9309D797354C722D@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Charlie, I know of a nice one but its in California Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > Charlie > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: wcampion(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <8D03AA8100AED5D-68C-23F29(a)webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Here is a link to an M-12. It's an old listing, however, it should give you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. I do believe the M-12 is considered a dink. http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html? Skip -----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Charlie, I know of a nice one but its in California Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > Charlie > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:12:30 -0400 (EDT) From: wcampion(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <8D03AA9964E1F70-68C-24007(a)webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Try this link................ http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101 Skip -----Original Message----- From: wcampion <wcampion(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Steve, Here is a link to an M-12. It's an old listing, however, it should give you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. I do believe the M-12 is considered a dink. http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html? Skip -----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Charlie, I know of a nice one but its in California Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > Charlie > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:26:31 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <DE402699324A46B1A1CB81F2BB6F2EDE@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: <wcampion(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:12 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Try this link................ http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101 Skip -----Original Message----- From: wcampion <wcampion(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Steve, Here is a link to an M-12. It's an old listing, however, it should give you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. I do believe the M-12 is considered a dink. http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html? Skip -----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Charlie, I know of a nice one but its in California Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > Charlie > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: IDA Rudder Message-ID: <1371611091.32052.YahooMailClassic(a)web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ted: my guess, as i can't remember from your prior posts, is you have an M15 ... and the old M17 rudders are one piece are one solid piece of mahogany. i'm guessing that your rudder compression posts need to be tightened just a bit. if the cheeks are just a bit too loose if feels as if the rudder and/or tiller is bending. what is really happen is there is just a little slop between the three components (tiller, cheeks, rudder). turn all the bolts about 1/16th of a turn and see if this helps. if not enough turn another 1/16th. tighten so the tiller can still raise/lower the rudder. this will better compress the cheeks and make the tiller-to-rudder connection more firm. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Tue, 6/18/13, Theodore Weidenbach <weid0069(a)umn.edu> wrote: > HI all, > > I am considering buying an IDA rudder.? Is it worth > it?? I feel like my > rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel > very strong. > Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be > better? > > Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! > Thanks, > ted > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <1371611273.98349.YahooMailClassic(a)web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 correct, the M12 is considered one of Jerry's 'dinks'. :: Dave Scobie --- On Tue, 6/18/13, wcampion(a)aol.com <wcampion(a)aol.com> wrote: > ... > > I do believe the M-12 is > considered a dink. > > ... > > Skip > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm > > > ? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat?? > Got a photo to e-mail? > ? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12.? I > know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, > 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. > Thanx, > Steve > M-15 # 335 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:44:46 GMT From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Scams Message-ID: <20130618.224446.21309.1(a)webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Classic scam Connie. They follow a pattern. Run away. Thanks for letting us know your experience (again!). Buddy Bones ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:17:39 -0700 From: "Becky Belding" <becky(a)beckybelding.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <015d01ce6cac$52167020$f6435060$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excuse me....I am not sure exactly how to post to you all. I apologize for the interruption in your communications. Has anyone had especially good experience having a M17 shipped/transported from another state? Suggestions? Becky -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W David Scobie Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:08 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 correct, the M12 is considered one of Jerry's 'dinks'. :: Dave Scobie --- On Tue, 6/18/13, wcampion(a)aol.com <wcampion(a)aol.com> wrote: > ... > > I do believe the M-12 is > considered a dink. > > ... > > Skip > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm > > > ? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? > ? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12.? I know the 10 is a dingy, and > the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. > Thanx, > Steve > M-15 # 335 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:33:40 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: IDA Rudder Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUQNAtXODZCr+qVfwX0tSjodCUAQde+_bR6dqZv-uanUA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rick, Glad your new rudder is working out for you. I haven't installed your old one yet. May get one of those new fangled ones myself some day. Regards, Tom On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ted, > > I bought a Ruddercraft Unifoil kickup rudder for my M17 this spring, and so > far have nothing but good to say about it. It's solidly built and easy to > raise and lower. The hydraulic spring piston holds it down, and, after > hitting an obstruction (like the bottom), it returns to vertical by itself. > It replaced an older manual IdaSailer rudder, and there's no comparison. > Ruddercraft is also a good company to do business with. Are you putting > it on an M17? > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Theodore Weidenbach wrote: > > > HI all, > > > > I am considering buying an IDA rudder. Is it worth it? I feel like my > > rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel very strong. > > Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be better? > > > > Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! > > Thanks, > > ted > > > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:35:04 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <CA+TbpAVPVwgSD6Zf9y=KJBzE3dRAk-DP2Pm-5=+sKj_yLhD=uw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can you put a sail on the ten or is it definitely designed as a dinghy only? I guess leeboards would be attached somehow. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? > I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. I know the 10 is a dingy, and the > 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. > Thanx, > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 > > > Charlie, > I know of a nice one but its in California > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing > to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached > at <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:37:18 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <CA+TbpAV13js04nUy-OirAradF3vUaEq7s7hqG73FVm49tKzCUA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That sure is one pretty little boat. I think a gentleman up in Missouri has one of those 12's for sale. He did last year anyway. Tom M-17 "waitin on a name". On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, <wcampion(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Steve, > > Here is a link to an M-12. It's an old listing, however, it should give > you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. I do > believe the M-12 is considered a dink. > > > http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html > > > > Skip > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 > > > Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? > I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. I know the 10 is a dingy, and the > 15, > 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. > Thanx, > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 > > > Charlie, > I know of a nice one but its in California > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to > travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at > <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:39:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Susman <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <1371645598.6307.YahooMailNeo(a)web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The 10 is a fine sailing dingy ________________________________ From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:35 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Can you put a sail on the ten or is it definitely designed as a dinghy only? I guess leeboards would be attached somehow. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat?? Got a photo to e-mail? >? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12.? I know the 10 is a dingy, and the > 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. > Thanx, > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 > > > Charlie, > I know of a nice one but its in California > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing > to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached > at <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: wcampion(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <8D03B039BC72662-1190-2FA06(a)webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The M-12 I saw last year in Missouri was a bit rough from what I remember. I already had 2 project boats, so I decided to pass on the M-12 project. As far as the M-10 goes. I have one and it is definitely a sailing dinghy. It's a real nice sailing boat that is easily rigged and very responsive. Very fun to sail on a nice afternoon on the lake. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:38 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 That sure is one pretty little boat. I think a gentleman up in Missouri has ne of those 12's for sale. He did last year anyway. om M-17 "waitin on a name". n Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, <wcampion(a)aol.com> wrote: > Steve, Here is a link to an M-12. It's an old listing, however, it should give you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. I do believe the M-12 is considered a dink. http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html Skip -----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Charlie, I know of a nice one but its in California Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > Charlie > > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:35:43 +0000 From: "Becky Belding" <becky(a)beckybelding.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Message-ID: <1242872436-1371648942-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2022866773-(a)b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain Portland OR...I am wondering if there are any M17 owners here? Thank you! Becky Sent via Becky's BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: wcampion(a)aol.com Sender: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:56:54 To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Reply-To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 The M-12 I saw last year in Missouri was a bit rough from what I remember. I already had 2 project boats, so I decided to pass on the M-12 project. As far as the M-10 goes. I have one and it is definitely a sailing dinghy. It's a real nice sailing boat that is easily rigged and very responsive. Very fun to sail on a nice afternoon on the lake. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:38 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 That sure is one pretty little boat. I think a gentleman up in Missouri has ne of those 12's for sale. He did last year anyway. om M-17 "waitin on a name". n Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, <wcampion(a)aol.com> wrote: > Steve, Here is a link to an M-12. It's an old listing, however, it should give you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. I do believe the M-12 is considered a dink. http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html Skip -----Original Message----- From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 Charlie, I know of a nice one but its in California Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at <charlie(a)rentrof.net>. > > > Charlie > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:54:46 -0700 From: Becky Belding <becky(a)beckybelding.com> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Portland Oregon Message-ID: <6AEBF6C7-259A-4A2D-9B9E-73F8A9FA3293(a)beckybelding.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are there any M17 owners here? Becky Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:08:53 -0700 From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Portland Oregon Message-ID: <4634FCEB-3BC5-4B89-A364-9C61D7835FB1(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The woods is full of em, Becky. I am a M17 owner just south of you in Silverton, Or. Tony Cox Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Becky Belding <becky(a)beckybelding.com> wrote: > Are there any M17 owners here? > Becky > > Sent from my iPad > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 124, Issue 9 ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17
by W David Scobie 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

Becky: did you buy the M17 that was for sale in Estes Park? depending on your driving patterns the trip can be done in six/seven days ... maybe even five if you drive long days and switch with a co-pilot. very good road between Portland and Colorado. i've driven all the Interstates you would travel in the past two years ... with boats in tow. man ... if i could 'haul a double' next month i would helping you out. i'm going from Golden, CO, to Monterey, CA, for the Cruiser Challenge and then heading up to Port Townsend, WA. consider uShip - www.uship.com or do an internet search for 'boat shipping colorado'. (i just did this search and found _lots_ and received lots of hits. shipping is a matter of how fast (quicker = more $) and what type of transport (enclosed trailer ($$$), flatbed ($$) or behind the hauler's truck using boat's trailer ($)). the arrangements are not difficult once you figure out how much $ you are willing to pay. i shipped a customer's boat overseas with no difficulty (couple of phone calls, couple of emails, and FAX). if you wish to collect her yourself the M17 tows very well (good manners and not 'super heavy'). :: Dave Scobie --- On Wed, 6/19/13, Becky Belding <becky(a)beckybelding.com> wrote: > Thank you for your input...from > Colorado to Portland. > Becky > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of W David Scobie > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:26 AM > > Becky: > > how far are you wanting to haul? from where to, i'm > guessing, Portland OR. > > as Pam wrote you don't need 'big truck' abilities. any > vehicle that can > handle up to 2500 lbs and a tongue weight up to 250 lbs is > adequate. > > > :: Dave Scobie > > --- On Wed, 6/19/13, Becky Belding <becky(a)beckybelding.com> > wrote: > > > I am wondering if anyone has > > suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company > to transport a > > M17 from another state? > > Many thanks, > > Becky > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17
by W David Scobie 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

Becky: how far are you wanting to haul? from where to, i'm guessing, Portland OR. as Pam wrote you don't need 'big truck' abilities. any vehicle that can handle up to 2500 lbs and a tongue weight up to 250 lbs is adequate. :: Dave Scobie --- On Wed, 6/19/13, Becky Belding <becky(a)beckybelding.com> wrote: > I am wondering if anyone has > suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company to > transport a M17 from another state? > Many thanks, > Becky

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Portland Oregon
by Becky Belding 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

Are there any M17 owners here? Becky Sent from my iPad

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IDA Rudder
by Theodore Weidenbach 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

HI all, I am considering buying an IDA rudder. Is it worth it? I feel like my rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel very strong. Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be better? Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! Thanks, ted

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Re: M_Boats: Scams
by bownez＠juno.com 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

Classic scam Connie. They follow a pattern. Run away. Thanks for letting us know your experience (again!). Buddy Bones ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2

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Scams
by Conbert Benneck 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

Hi Gang, This is just a "Heads Up" to alert you to a scam that someone tired to pull on me. It started when I put a"For Sale" ad in WOODEN BOAT for my Shellback dinghy. The next morning I had an email from a "Mathew Crowe" ostensibly in England, asking if the boat was still available. I said Yes. He replied that he wanted to buy the boat as a surprise birthday present for his son; how much did I want for it. I named him the selling price. His reply was that he would send me a check for the boat ( I said I wanted a Bank Check). and he would then give me information about his agent who would pick up the boat and deliver it to his son. The first thing that raise questions in my mind: He never asked anything about boat condition; trailer condition; equipment, etc..... He said he was working in heavy construction on a big project in England, but he never gave me an address; or phone number or any other sort of personal details.. All I had was his email address, plus the email address of the party who was supposed to pick up the boat. "georgestewartautotransport.com", that I couldn't find anywhere in GOOGLE. When the check arrived, it was for $10,000.- not the $4,200 I had requested - and it was a "Cashier's Check, drawn on a Federal Credit Union in Waltham, MA., not a Bank Check; my name had been written on the envelope in block print, but there was no return sender address - nothing. (It had been sent from London) I am now waiting for his next email, but I haven't deposited his Cashier's Check, and consider framing it as a lovely example of how a scam is perpetrated. May be I'll send georgestewartautotransport.com", an email and tell them to pick up the boat. If they show up, at least I can get some photos of their vehicle and their license number, to add to the information I have already supplied the Police. A Cashier's check is worthless for payment. Money has to be in an account for the Bank to issue the check, but then.... the funds can be withdrawn from the account and when you deposit the check and get cash, two or three weeks later the Bank notifies you that the check has bounced, and you are now liable for the amount of the check that you took out in cash. Is this a new version of the old Nigerian scams? Neat, eh? Forewarned is forearmed. Ciao, Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Update 23'
by Theo Petron 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

Todd, I hope the blasting and work solves your problem. However, be warned that misc scrap metal was tossed into the shoal keel area of my 1979 M23, and when water migrated into that cavity the non-lead metal rusted and expanded, thus pinching my centerboard slot. I needed a pretty major root canal to fix the problem. I have photos if you are interested let me know off-list. Sail fast! Theo 1979 M23 Sails Increase On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:17 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Putting a Telescoping Ladder on My Montgomery 15 > (George Iemmolo) > 2. Re: Putting a Telescoping Ladder on My Montgomery 15 (Chris Smith) > 3. Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update (David Grah) > 4. Re: Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update (stevetrapp) > 5. Re: Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update (George Iemmolo) > 6. Update 23' (Todd Bradley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:54:24 -0500 > From: "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > To: "'David Grah'" <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com>, "'For and about Montgomery > Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Putting a Telescoping Ladder on My Montgomery 15 > Message-ID: <51bf0709.0658320a.25c6.ffff8e10(a)mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > David > > I can not thank you enough as you have answered all my questions regarding > the installation of a ladder (same one I had selected). > > George > Merry Helen M15 #602 > 'We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust our Sails' > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David > Grah > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:43 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Putting a Telescoping Ladder on My Montgomery 15 > > Last winter I put a telescoping ladder on my Montgomery 15.? I am happy how > it came out and wrote up the installation process.? I have tried to attach > that as about a 3 megabyte pdf in case others are interested. The text > without the photos is copied below. > > > David Grah > Bishop California > > Installation of Transom Ladder on > Montgomery 15 Sailboat > By David Grah > Winter 2012 / 2013 > > For the few years we have had our 1986 > Montgomery 15, we have used a removable ladder for getting back on > the boat when we swim. Although it worked, the removable ladder was > not very secure nor convenient to deploy and stow. > > I asked on the Montgomery sailboat > discussion group for ladder suggestions and received some very good > information. The group said to stay clear of ladders with only two > mounting points because of the stress they would put on the transom > and suggested a Garelick 18017 Marine Compact Two-Step Transom Ladder > in particular as a good four point ladder. Dave Scobie also provided > a link to his excellent page about installing transom backing plates > for ladders and motor mounts on a Montgomery 15: > > http://www.sagemarine.us/forum/showthread.php?380-Installing-transom-backing > -plates-on-an-M15 > > After looking into ladders a bit, I was > concerned about how much the Garelick ladder might stick up above the > top of the transom when stowed and liked the idea of a telescoping > ladder. Since I live many hours drive from anywhere I could see > ladders, I decided to buy both the Garelick and the telescoping > ladder that looked best online to see which I liked best. The > telescoping ladder was a Windline TT-3X Transom Mount Ladder. I > bought both from Amazon. > > Here is a photo of the removable ladder > and the two new ones, Garelick in the middle, Windline on the right: > > > They are shown at the relative height > they would be used on the boat. The Garelick was positioned so it > wouldn't stick up ?too far? about the transom of the boat. The > telescoping ladder was positioned so it would fold up below the lip > at the top of the transom. Note the removable ladder extended the > farthest into the water followed by the telescoping ladder although > the steps of the telescoping ladder came pretty close to matching the > steps on the removable ladder. > I wanted to use the telescoping ladder > but needed to distribute the stress over more of the transom than the > stock mounting brackets provided. I designed some larger mounting > brackets, purchased a small piece of 12 gauge 316 stainless steel > sheet on the internet, and had a local metal working shop cut and > bend the two brackets for me. I drilled holes in the new brackets to > match the holes in the new ladder: > > > I bolted the new brackets on to the new > ladder and put a backing nut on the bolt that went through the top > hole on the ladder. This nut helps spread the stress from the small > ladder over the full length of the new bracket and puts less stress > on the transom: > > > With the brackets in place on the > telescoping ladder, the stress of the ladder is spread over an area > larger than with the Garelick ladder: > > To prepare the transom for mounting the > new ladder, I essentially followed the process David Scobie > described. > > I added a West Marine access plate to > the starboard cockpit seat behind the lazarette: > > > Next I made a cardboard template of the > plywood backing I would add to the transom: > > > To get the cardboard to the inside > surface of the transom, I found I had to cut it into two pieces. In > addition, the upper part of the transom already had some thickness to > it. This thickness was apparently foam sandwiched between inside and > outside layers of fiberglass. I needed about a ? inch thick plywood > to fill in below this. My plywood reinforcing for the transom became > three pieces of ? inch plywood. The smallest one was to fill in for > the foam thickness where it wasn't. The two longer pieces were to > provide reinforcing over the large area I wanted to beef up. And the > medium size pieces was to sort of hold the two longer pieces > together: > > > There is no place around here to get > marine grade plywood. I found a scrap of nice 5 ply plywood at the > local hardware store and, since I didn't have enough of this nice 5 > ply stuff, also got some standard 3 ply CDX plywood. I used the CDX > for the small piece that filled in below the foam and the 5 ply for > the rest of the pieces. Here is another view of the pieces. They > were cut to match the cardboard pieces I had made to fit into the > transom: > > > Generally following David Scobie's > process, I epoxied the plywood in place a layer at a time. While the > epoxy hardened I held the pieces in place with lengths of wood jammed > between the transom and the back of the lazerette and with ropes > looped through holes in the plywood and the transom and held tight > with more pieces of wood. I found these methods worked pretty well: > > > > Once the plywood was in place, I > drilled the mounting holes oversize, filled them with epoxy and > re-drilled them. Two of the holes needed to be quite large to > accommodate the nuts tightened to the back of the top holes on the > ladder. I didn't do a good job with my initial placement of the top > holes: > > > I installed the ladder and drilled a > hole through the deck to hull flange at the top of the transom to > accept a bolt that is dropped in place to hold the ladder up when > stowed. I wrapped a piece of bungee around the bottom rung of the > ladder to keep it from rattling on the trailer (bungee not on yet): > > > > I am quite pleased with the > installation both deployed and stowed: > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:08:49 -0500 > From: Chris Smith <chris.r.smith(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Putting a Telescoping Ladder on My Montgomery 15 > Message-ID: > <CAPkEqajboEX7jgzUTcx1mb_Wf=GU5mJ76qCcqfiGEKLpOwhjjw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Fantastic work. I'll be following your lead when I add my telescoping > transom ladder! > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> David >> >> I can not thank you enough as you have answered all my questions regarding >> the installation of a ladder (same one I had selected). >> >> George >> Merry Helen M15 #602 >> 'We Can Not Control the Wind >> But We Can Adjust our Sails' >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David >> Grah >> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:43 PM >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: M_Boats: Putting a Telescoping Ladder on My Montgomery 15 >> >> Last winter I put a telescoping ladder on my Montgomery 15. I am happy how >> it came out and wrote up the installation process. I have tried to attach >> that as about a 3 megabyte pdf in case others are interested. The text >> without the photos is copied below. >> >> >> David Grah >> Bishop California >> >> Installation of Transom Ladder on >> Montgomery 15 Sailboat >> By David Grah >> Winter 2012 / 2013 >> >> For the few years we have had our 1986 >> Montgomery 15, we have used a removable ladder for getting back on >> the boat when we swim. Although it worked, the removable ladder was >> not very secure nor convenient to deploy and stow. >> >> I asked on the Montgomery sailboat >> discussion group for ladder suggestions and received some very good >> information. The group said to stay clear of ladders with only two >> mounting points because of the stress they would put on the transom >> and suggested a Garelick 18017 Marine Compact Two-Step Transom Ladder >> in particular as a good four point ladder. Dave Scobie also provided >> a link to his excellent page about installing transom backing plates >> for ladders and motor mounts on a Montgomery 15: >> >> >> http://www.sagemarine.us/forum/showthread.php?380-Installing-transom-backing >> -plates-on-an-M15 >> >> After looking into ladders a bit, I was >> concerned about how much the Garelick ladder might stick up above the >> top of the transom when stowed and liked the idea of a telescoping >> ladder. Since I live many hours drive from anywhere I could see >> ladders, I decided to buy both the Garelick and the telescoping >> ladder that looked best online to see which I liked best. The >> telescoping ladder was a Windline TT-3X Transom Mount Ladder. I >> bought both from Amazon. >> >> Here is a photo of the removable ladder >> and the two new ones, Garelick in the middle, Windline on the right: >> >> >> They are shown at the relative height >> they would be used on the boat. The Garelick was positioned so it >> wouldn't stick up ?too far? about the transom of the boat. The >> telescoping ladder was positioned so it would fold up below the lip >> at the top of the transom. Note the removable ladder extended the >> farthest into the water followed by the telescoping ladder although >> the steps of the telescoping ladder came pretty close to matching the >> steps on the removable ladder. >> I wanted to use the telescoping ladder >> but needed to distribute the stress over more of the transom than the >> stock mounting brackets provided. I designed some larger mounting >> brackets, purchased a small piece of 12 gauge 316 stainless steel >> sheet on the internet, and had a local metal working shop cut and >> bend the two brackets for me. I drilled holes in the new brackets to >> match the holes in the new ladder: >> >> >> I bolted the new brackets on to the new >> ladder and put a backing nut on the bolt that went through the top >> hole on the ladder. This nut helps spread the stress from the small >> ladder over the full length of the new bracket and puts less stress >> on the transom: >> >> >> With the brackets in place on the >> telescoping ladder, the stress of the ladder is spread over an area >> larger than with the Garelick ladder: >> >> To prepare the transom for mounting the >> new ladder, I essentially followed the process David Scobie >> described. >> >> I added a West Marine access plate to >> the starboard cockpit seat behind the lazarette: >> >> >> Next I made a cardboard template of the >> plywood backing I would add to the transom: >> >> >> To get the cardboard to the inside >> surface of the transom, I found I had to cut it into two pieces. In >> addition, the upper part of the transom already had some thickness to >> it. This thickness was apparently foam sandwiched between inside and >> outside layers of fiberglass. I needed about a ? inch thick plywood >> to fill in below this. My plywood reinforcing for the transom became >> three pieces of ? inch plywood. The smallest one was to fill in for >> the foam thickness where it wasn't. The two longer pieces were to >> provide reinforcing over the large area I wanted to beef up. And the >> medium size pieces was to sort of hold the two longer pieces >> together: >> >> >> There is no place around here to get >> marine grade plywood. I found a scrap of nice 5 ply plywood at the >> local hardware store and, since I didn't have enough of this nice 5 >> ply stuff, also got some standard 3 ply CDX plywood. I used the CDX >> for the small piece that filled in below the foam and the 5 ply for >> the rest of the pieces. Here is another view of the pieces. They >> were cut to match the cardboard pieces I had made to fit into the >> transom: >> >> >> Generally following David Scobie's >> process, I epoxied the plywood in place a layer at a time. While the >> epoxy hardened I held the pieces in place with lengths of wood jammed >> between the transom and the back of the lazerette and with ropes >> looped through holes in the plywood and the transom and held tight >> with more pieces of wood. I found these methods worked pretty well: >> >> >> >> Once the plywood was in place, I >> drilled the mounting holes oversize, filled them with epoxy and >> re-drilled them. Two of the holes needed to be quite large to >> accommodate the nuts tightened to the back of the top holes on the >> ladder. I didn't do a good job with my initial placement of the top >> holes: >> >> >> I installed the ladder and drilled a >> hole through the deck to hull flange at the top of the transom to >> accept a bolt that is dropped in place to hold the ladder up when >> stowed. I wrapped a piece of bungee around the bottom rung of the >> ladder to keep it from rattling on the trailer (bungee not on yet): >> >> >> >> I am quite pleased with the >> installation both deployed and stowed: >> >> >> > > > -- > Chris > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Grah <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com> > To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update > Message-ID: > <1371502301.76499.YahooMailNeo(a)web125206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thanks to the group for the help I got with these questions.? As an update: > > 1.? After going back and forth between several websites I decided the Forespar Ends Kit Adj 4-8 part 300026 included the ends I needed.? The best price with shipping I fond was West Marine so I bought the kit and it was just what I needed.? I epoxied the new end in place and am ready to go.? Plus from the kit I now have a space end and an official spike end. > > > 2.? Amen Sails was suggested to me for the spinnaker repair but John Amen, the owner, after seeing the photos of the tear, thought that adhesive patches were a better way to go.? He is sending me some in the mail. > > > 3.? The bottom paint job sounds miserable and I think I will raise the boat in my single car garage on stands made of 4 by 6 boards braced, in small part by the garage structure and, in most part, with angle braces.? I am not yet sure how I will raise the boat but it will probably be by the lift-the-trailer-and-boat then lower-the-trailer method. > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > From: David Grah <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com> > To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:12 PM > Subject: Three Montgomery 15 Questions > > > > I always appreciate the perspectives, stories, and information provided by this discussion group.? They are invaluable.? I find I have three questions about my 1986 Montgomery 15: > > 1. ?One of the plastic ends to my whisker pole (or is it a spinnaker pole?) broke. ?Both ends used to attach to both the mast and sail by fastening or snapping. ?The pole is fixed length. ?I tried replacing the broken end with a spike but found the pole would fall out of the sail, at least when used with the spinnaker. ?The pole isn't handy at the moment, but I think it is about one inch in diameter. ?I haven't been able to find replacement ends or even figure out what new pole would be a good replacement. ?I did find old discussion in the group that seemed to indicate that a Forespar 4-to-8 foot adjustable pole worked for a Montgomery 15. ?Can anyone tell me where I could get a replacement pole end (ideally) or (if I can't get a new end somewhere) a new pole and what particular models of ends and poles and what sources I should consider? > > 2. ?In what I think is unrelated to my new spike-end on my whisker pole, I notice my spinnaker has a 3 to 4 inch horizontal rip in its body about 2/3rds the way to the top. ?The cloth of the spinnaker seems to otherwise be in good shape. ?Who could I contact for this repair? ?Note the nearest sail loft is a 5 hour drive away so I will almost certainly have to ship it somewhere. > > 3.? When I bought my boat it had what I think is called ablative bottom paint.? Since I store the boat on the trailer and typically sail in mountain lakes, this paint has been little else than a nuisance.? It is a nuisance because every time I touch it I come away blue.? Also, it is uneven and worn away from parts of the bottom and on one side doesn't even follow the water line very well.? This makes it sound worse than it is, but you can probably see why I want to repaint the bottom.? My general plan is to paint the bottom back to a cream color similar to the above water portion of the > hull, probably with a new red strip at water line to hide the uneven boundary between old and new bottom paint.? This may be my fall and winter boat project this year and I'll plan to figure out the exact process and paints when I get closer to starting.? The question I have now has to do with how to lift the boat off the trailer bunks for the preparation and painting process.? I understand the boat weighs about 750 pounds and can be lifted from the shroud chain plates with balancing lines to the bow and stern.? I don't have access to stands.? The nearest boat lift and yard is a 5 hour drive away.? I would like to allow myself 2 weeks to a month to complete the process.? What great suggestions does the group have to lift the boat to paint it? > > Thanks very much for any and all responses! > > > David Grah > Bishop California > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:08:41 -0700 > From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > To: "David Grah" <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery > Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update > Message-ID: <907F1074D07D4B4AB7A15FCC787C749B@STEVEEW> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > David, > Measure the height of your garage door opening against the height of your M-15 on the trailer first. I found that my M-15 was too high on the trailer to get it into my garage. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:51 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update > > > Thanks to the group for the help I got with these questions. As an update: > > 1. After going back and forth between several websites I decided the Forespar Ends Kit Adj 4-8 part 300026 included the ends I needed. The best price with shipping I fond was West Marine so I bought the kit and it was just what I needed. I epoxied the new end in place and am ready to go. Plus from the kit I now have a space end and an official spike end. > > > 2. Amen Sails was suggested to me for the spinnaker repair but John Amen, the owner, after seeing the photos of the tear, thought that adhesive patches were a better way to go. He is sending me some in the mail. > > > 3. The bottom paint job sounds miserable and I think I will raise the boat in my single car garage on stands made of 4 by 6 boards braced, in small part by the garage structure and, in most part, with angle braces. I am not yet sure how I will raise the boat but it will probably be by the lift-the-trailer-and-boat then lower-the-trailer method. > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > From: David Grah <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com> > To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:12 PM > Subject: Three Montgomery 15 Questions > > > > I always appreciate the perspectives, stories, and information provided by this discussion group. They are invaluable. I find I have three questions about my 1986 Montgomery 15: > > 1. One of the plastic ends to my whisker pole (or is it a spinnaker pole?) broke. Both ends used to attach to both the mast and sail by fastening or snapping. The pole is fixed length. I tried replacing the broken end with a spike but found the pole would fall out of the sail, at least when used with the spinnaker. The pole isn't handy at the moment, but I think it is about one inch in diameter. I haven't been able to find replacement ends or even figure out what new pole would be a good replacement. I did find old discussion in the group that seemed to indicate that a Forespar 4-to-8 foot adjustable pole worked for a Montgomery 15. Can anyone tell me where I could get a replacement pole end (ideally) or (if I can't get a new end somewhere) a new pole and what particular models of ends and poles and what sources I should consider? > > 2. In what I think is unrelated to my new spike-end on my whisker pole, I notice my spinnaker has a 3 to 4 inch horizontal rip in its body about 2/3rds the way to the top. The cloth of the spinnaker seems to otherwise be in good shape. Who could I contact for this repair? Note the nearest sail loft is a 5 hour drive away so I will almost certainly have to ship it somewhere. > > 3. When I bought my boat it had what I think is called ablative bottom paint. Since I store the boat on the trailer and typically sail in mountain lakes, this paint has been little else than a nuisance. It is a nuisance because every time I touch it I come away blue. Also, it is uneven and worn away from parts of the bottom and on one side doesn't even follow the water line very well. This makes it sound worse than it is, but you can probably see why I want to repaint the bottom. My general plan is to paint the bottom back to a cream color similar to the above water portion of the > hull, probably with a new red strip at water line to hide the uneven boundary between old and new bottom paint. This may be my fall and winter boat project this year and I'll plan to figure out the exact process and paints when I get closer to starting. The question I have now has to do with how to lift the boat off the trailer bunks for the preparation and painting process. I understand the boat weighs about 750 pounds and can be lifted from the shroud chain plates with balancing lines to the bow and stern. I don't have access to stands. The nearest boat lift and yard is a 5 hour drive away. I would like to allow myself 2 weeks to a month to complete the process. What great suggestions does the group have to lift the boat to paint it? > > Thanks very much for any and all responses! > > > David Grah > Bishop California > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:24:21 -0500 > From: "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>, "'David Grah'" > <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update > Message-ID: <51bf8c9f.4b06320a.40c8.1f09(a)mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I was able to get my M15 in the garage by removing the mast and dropping the > wheel so that the trailer was on the skid and was able to get the mast > support lower than the door. Stored the mast under the trailer. > > George > 'We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust our Sails' > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > stevetrapp > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:09 PM > To: David Grah; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update > > David, > Measure the height of your garage door opening against the height of > your M-15 on the trailer first. I found that my M-15 was too high on the > trailer to get it into my garage. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:51 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Three Montgomery 15 Questions - update > > > Thanks to the group for the help I got with these questions. As an update: > > 1. After going back and forth between several websites I decided the > Forespar Ends Kit Adj 4-8 part 300026 included the ends I needed. The best > price with shipping I fond was West Marine so I bought the kit and it was > just what I needed. I epoxied the new end in place and am ready to go. Plus > from the kit I now have a space end and an official spike end. > > > 2. Amen Sails was suggested to me for the spinnaker repair but John Amen, > the owner, after seeing the photos of the tear, thought that adhesive > patches were a better way to go. He is sending me some in the mail. > > > 3. The bottom paint job sounds miserable and I think I will raise the boat > in my single car garage on stands made of 4 by 6 boards braced, in small > part by the garage structure and, in most part, with angle braces. I am not > yet sure how I will raise the boat but it will probably be by the > lift-the-trailer-and-boat then lower-the-trailer method. > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > From: David Grah <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com> > To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:12 PM > Subject: Three Montgomery 15 Questions > > > > I always appreciate the perspectives, stories, and information provided by > this discussion group. They are invaluable. I find I have three questions > about my 1986 Montgomery 15: > > 1. One of the plastic ends to my whisker pole (or is it a spinnaker pole?) > broke. Both ends used to attach to both the mast and sail by fastening or > snapping. The pole is fixed length. I tried replacing the broken end with a > spike but found the pole would fall out of the sail, at least when used with > the spinnaker. The pole isn't handy at the moment, but I think it is about > one inch in diameter. I haven't been able to find replacement ends or even > figure out what new pole would be a good replacement. I did find old > discussion in the group that seemed to indicate that a Forespar 4-to-8 foot > adjustable pole worked for a Montgomery 15. Can anyone tell me where I could > get a replacement pole end (ideally) or (if I can't get a new end somewhere) > a new pole and what particular models of ends and poles and what sources I > should consider? > > 2. In what I think is unrelated to my new spike-end on my whisker pole, I > notice my spinnaker has a 3 to 4 inch horizontal rip in its body about > 2/3rds the way to the top. The cloth of the spinnaker seems to otherwise be > in good shape. Who could I contact for this repair? Note the nearest sail > loft is a 5 hour drive away so I will almost certainly have to ship it > somewhere. > > 3. When I bought my boat it had what I think is called ablative bottom > paint. Since I store the boat on the trailer and typically sail in mountain > lakes, this paint has been little else than a nuisance. It is a nuisance > because every time I touch it I come away blue. Also, it is uneven and worn > away from parts of the bottom and on one side doesn't even follow the water > line very well. This makes it sound worse than it is, but you can probably > see why I want to repaint the bottom. My general plan is to paint the bottom > back to a cream color similar to the above water portion of the > hull, probably with a new red strip at water line to hide the uneven > boundary between old and new bottom paint. This may be my fall and winter > boat project this year and I'll plan to figure out the exact process and > paints when I get closer to starting. The question I have now has to do with > how to lift the boat off the trailer bunks for the preparation and painting > process. I understand the boat weighs about 750 pounds and can be lifted > from the shroud chain plates with balancing lines to the bow and stern. I > don't have access to stands. The nearest boat lift and yard is a 5 hour > drive away. I would like to allow myself 2 weeks to a month to complete the > process. What great suggestions does the group have to lift the boat to > paint it? > > Thanks very much for any and all responses! > > > David Grah > Bishop California > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:17:00 -0700 > From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Update 23' > Message-ID: <00c601ce6c71$8e804bc0$ab80e340$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi everyone - thought I would post a brief update on my progress (journey) > on the boat currently know as Ce Cee. > > > > A week or so ago, I went to pick up the new Pacific trailer so I could get > the boat on a trailer and closer to me. This would make it easier to do the > work (she is in San Francisco bay area and I am in Sacramento about 2 hours > away). When we tried to get her on the trailer the center-board was stuck > down. After trying again to raise the CB (with more force this time) we > broke off one of the blocks the pulley cable runs through. So, plan 'B'.. > time to hire professionals. I went over to the boat yard and got on the > schedule to get the boat hauled and see if we could get the CB to budge. > > > > I ended up having the boat yard pull the CB. I had them load it up in my > truck and I was off to the sandblaster. I returned a few days later with the > sandblasted CB. I made sure we had it set-up that we could get a primer coat > on the raw CB within hours of the sandblasting (picked this from Sean's > postings on his site. Thanks Sean). I decided to bite the bullet and pay the > yard to get the CB faired and painted up also. This should be complete late > this week and I'll head back down with the trailer and pick her up. > > > > The hull looks in pretty good shape. No blisters that we could see! > > > > I can wait to get her in my driveway so I can start doing some of the other > repairs! > > > > > > Todd > > > > > >

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Three Montgomery 15 Questions
by David Grah 17 Jun '13

17 Jun '13

I always appreciate the perspectives, stories, and information provided by this discussion group. They are invaluable. I find I have three questions about my 1986 Montgomery 15: 1. One of the plastic ends to my whisker pole (or is it a spinnaker pole?) broke. Both ends used to attach to both the mast and sail by fastening or snapping. The pole is fixed length. I tried replacing the broken end with a spike but found the pole would fall out of the sail, at least when used with the spinnaker. The pole isn't handy at the moment, but I think it is about one inch in diameter. I haven't been able to find replacement ends or even figure out what new pole would be a good replacement. I did find old discussion in the group that seemed to indicate that a Forespar 4-to-8 foot adjustable pole worked for a Montgomery 15. Can anyone tell me where I could get a replacement pole end (ideally) or (if I can't get a new end somewhere) a new pole and what particular models of ends and poles and what sources I should consider? 2. In what I think is unrelated to my new spike-end on my whisker pole, I notice my spinnaker has a 3 to 4 inch horizontal rip in its body about 2/3rds the way to the top. The cloth of the spinnaker seems to otherwise be in good shape. Who could I contact for this repair? Note the nearest sail loft is a 5 hour drive away so I will almost certainly have to ship it somewhere. 3. When I bought my boat it had what I think is called ablative bottom paint. Since I store the boat on the trailer and typically sail in mountain lakes, this paint has been little else than a nuisance. It is a nuisance because every time I touch it I come away blue. Also, it is uneven and worn away from parts of the bottom and on one side doesn't even follow the water line very well. This makes it sound worse than it is, but you can probably see why I want to repaint the bottom. My general plan is to paint the bottom back to a cream color similar to the above water portion of the hull, probably with a new red strip at water line to hide the uneven boundary between old and new bottom paint. This may be my fall and winter boat project this year and I'll plan to figure out the exact process and paints when I get closer to starting. The question I have now has to do with how to lift the boat off the trailer bunks for the preparation and painting process. I understand the boat weighs about 750 pounds and can be lifted from the shroud chain plates with balancing lines to the bow and stern. I don't have access to stands. The nearest boat lift and yard is a 5 hour drive away. I would like to allow myself 2 weeks to a month to complete the process. What great suggestions does the group have to lift the boat to paint it? Thanks very much for any and all responses! David Grah Bishop California

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