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Re: M_Boats: Setting Up the M-17
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 27 May '11

27 May '11

I have had a M-15 and currently sail a M-17 tall rig - Rigging does take some time but mine is complicated by a goofy owner. I store it mast-up dry storage at this time. Between the two boats I strongly prefer the 17 and if/when I change to a smaller lighter boat it will be a Sage 17. Smaller, easier rig, easier to the step the mast, and lighter but 'stiffer' boat when sailing. You really have to sail the boat to get a feeling for the stability of the boat! Faster than a M-17 and a lot faster than a M-15. Okay - you say who cares about speed - if you are trying to outrun bad weather or get to the destination before dark - speed is your friend - you can ALWAYS 'throttle' back - but be honest fast is mo' fun than slow. The Sage 17 is smaller - albeit a couple of inches shorter, lighter, roomier interior and the cockpit is bigger than a M-15 and a bit smaller than a M-17. Easier to rig and can probably use a roller furler that does not use a rigid foil for ease of rigging. Truth be known, I am a fan of Lyle Hess' designs and Jerry Montgomery's boats - ( I am proud to call Jerry a personal friend for years - many of us are his friend and if not you are not yet, you will be!) Maybe I just follow his boats around but I have owned too many GOOD boats to keep track of, and the favorites are his boats at this time. The M-17 should not take as long as a C-22 to rig and most people get them (C-22s) done in 45+- minutes. The time spent rigging and de-rigging is part of the price we pay for sailing - No worn out engines, minimal fuel costs and the experience of sailing. We have become a society of "Instant" and this sport is NOT instant. Okay - Possibly Useful ideas - some are reiterated- 1- Shrouds and backstay to remain attached. 2- Adjustable mast carrier at the transom to assist in stepping mast. 3- Use a halyard to help raise the mast - (See M-26 gin pole set-up for more complication) 3a- If you have a furler with a rigid foil see above comment in brackets) 4- Practice will increase your organization and allow you time to check all before launch. 5- Launching a M-17 is a breeze with anything BUT a SMALL vehicle - If needed add a tongue ext. 6- Good keel guides make retrieving a breeze - but they must be properly set-up.(as close to the bottom of the boat as possible and 'tight' on the sides of the keel) 7- Your boat -Stowing, Towing, Storing, Rigging skills will become more efficient with practice. I personally think selling the boat is a bit of overkill unless it was an A-23 or similar (sorry) The M-17 is a GREAT boat - If easier rigging is desired - Check out a Sage 17 - it has addressed these items and you get some improvements over the M-17 - shoot - look at the Designer - he is a true GEEZER ! It is his choice of boats for his Golden Years! I have no financial interest in the Sage 17 - I do respect and like the Designer, Company Owners, and the BOAT. I have sailed it, and If I changed boats for "age-related reasons" or ease of set-up, I would be choosing my Hull/Deck colors for my Sage 17 right now. It may happen someday. Why am I talking up a Sage on the Montgomery list? - it is one Jerry M's Kids ! That is my opinion - and it's right! GO Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sail M-17, M-7.11, Penguin, Sunfish......... PS - I have plenty of physical limitations to make me 'take it easy'- some self-induced, they have not prevented me from dealing with the larger boat. Use your head -not your ,arms, back, legs, etc..How is that for a rambling tirade doctor???

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Re: M_Boats: Setting Up the M-17
by bownez＠juno.com 27 May '11

27 May '11

So Gary, Did you get a chance to sail your ultra modified, holes in the boom, slick as shit, two-tone, sneeker-creeper, tall rig M17 against the Sage at Havasu? I know you were not in the M-cup race.Dave offered me a ride on the Sage but I needed to split to the airport to fly home to a massive snowstorm. Sal, keep up the grand adventure, we know it's the labor of love. Sailing season has arrived in Minnesota. (finally). Bones ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ddf9ab5d7abb16b8a2st01vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Setting Up the M-17
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 27 May '11

27 May '11

Stanley, Hey, Howzzit coming???

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Re: M_Boats: Setting Up the M-17
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 27 May '11

27 May '11

Stanley, May I suggest making the mast rotator a 'breakaway type" ! Jus' kiddin you. I put in my order for DETAILED plans for the 'Susman Super Speed Rig' right now! Boxtops and stamps are forthcoming - or in the mail - whichever comes first. That bad boy hauls *ss ! and can even forego the jib ! AMAZING ! You ARE on to it buddy. Go nuts and stick some more pooky on that thang you GEEZER! (You still have need be faster than some other 17's ....) yer getting there fast...... GO Team Geezer Racing ....."Old and In the Way"

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Re: M_Boats: Reversed Hull numbers
by Joey Stubbs 26 May '11

26 May '11

Hi John, Yes, this is a March '83 boat! Good job on the sleuthing. Maybe now we can put a name with the scoundrel and get him to make those effected a new hull plate (only 28 years later). Joey Is this a March '83 (3830xxx51PMM) boat, Joey? Back on May 7, Mike Johnson reported a M-17 with backwards HIN 383066371PMM, which could be the same one I asked the list about back in July of 2005 (when from memory I had the HIN as "383xx-xx71RMM"). Perhaps Jerry had entrusted this task to a newer employee who just didn't quite grasp the concept back in early 1983? John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" (which happens to have its HIN applied correctly!) On 5/25/2011 10:22 AM, Joey Stubbs wrote: >/ Hi everyone, />/ />/ I have a 1983 Monty 15 which has a completely reversed hull id #. It />/ ends in "...51PMM" instead of beginning with "MMP15..." is there anyone />/ that knows the story behind whu there are some hulls with reversed IDs? />/ I've seen mention of a few on the sites, but no reasoning behind it. />/ />/ Thanks in advance, />/ />/ Joey />/ />/ />/ _______________________________________________ />/ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats />/ />/ When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! />/ /

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Re: M_Boats: New Cushions
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 26 May '11

26 May '11

Bottomsiders are a great product.! NFIW. GO

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Cleaning Boat
by WILLIAM FRANKLIN BROCK 26 May '11

26 May '11

Thanks for the advice Mark and David. I'll get both products and try them.

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Reversed Hull numbers
by Joey Stubbs 25 May '11

25 May '11

Hi everyone, I have a 1983 Monty 15 which has a completely reversed hull id #. It ends in "...51PMM" instead of beginning with "MMP15..." is there anyone that knows the story behind whu there are some hulls with reversed IDs? I've seen mention of a few on the sites, but no reasoning behind it. Thanks in advance, Joey

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Max Speed
by Mark House 25 May '11

25 May '11

I figure my M-17 ought to do a little over 5.3 knots, based on its waterline length. But at the recent Florida 120, my GPS indicated 5.5 to 5.8 knots for periods long enough to make me wonder how it was possible. We were fairly close hauled, heeling 20°, to 30° in the gusts. Does this boat grow when heeled? Oh it was fun! Mark House "Seranita"

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Re: M_Boats: Key fob souvenir at pocket cruiser events?
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 24 May '11

24 May '11

I like it, it looks great, but I have been using it as a nifty letter opener What makes it less desirable specifically as a key fob is the potential for the sharp corners to poke a hole in the lining of one's pocket. Nonetheless, a very generous gesture on Sal and Gail's part to provide these wonderful mementos of the event.

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