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Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Apr '10

25 Apr '10

Jim, I have been using a Boomkicker for about 13 years and never had an issue with the item being anything but reliable. I sounds like you may not have had enough 'preload' in your rods to keep it engaged. I find the product to be elegantly simple and reliable as a stick. What is the benefit of the track mount ? Best part of the Boomkicker- as I get a bit older (what did I do with that...?) the Boomkicker is at deck level if I forget to connect it- not at the masthead! I am a subscriber to K.I.S.S. and "stick and stone technology" when possible. GO PS to the list - I got to spend some quality time with Stan 'Paint Boy' Susman this afternoon and got to see the new yacht! Go Stan!!! In a message dated 4/23/2010 10:51:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, picfo(a)comcast.net writes: If you do get a Boomkicker get the optional track mount. The slug fitting just pops out of the groove. They seem to be pretty well constructed otherwise. I still sent mine back after it popped out a few times (K.I.S.S.) Jim M-17 "Spirit" On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > Has anyone mentioned a boomkicker or similar (http:// > www.boomkicker.com/) as > another option? > > Depending on how the boat is used, it may prove to be a better > option (or > not) to a topping lift. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >> Gary M Hyde >> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:29 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >> >> Haul in the rear reef line as you lower the sail. Then you don't need >> the topping lift. I did it a lot on my M15. The topping lift might be >> better though. >> >> --Gary Hyde >> 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Joe Murphy wrote: >> >>> I agree. I can't see in my minds eye how to reef without securing >>> the >> toping lift first. If not, how do you keep the boom up when you drop >> the sail?? >>> Joe >>> M17 Seafrog >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: eisenee(a)aol.com >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>> >>> >>> >>> You still need that topping lift when reefing and shaking the reef >> out. >>> Eldor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ndorf(a)surfbest.net >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Sent: Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:39 pm >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>> >>> >>> Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a >>> opping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the end of >>> the >>> oom onto just while setting up and taking down. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>> montgomery_boats >>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi- >> bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>> montgomery_boats >>> >>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2814 - Release Date: >> 04/23/10 06:31:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Ballast and spare engine...
by LOU 25 Apr '10

25 Apr '10

The spare engine that I use for ballast is a 2.5 Yamaha 2 cycle and I have been fortunate enough not to have needed it. I sail the mouth of a river and the current can get quite strong and take you where you may not want to go. I have oars onboard, but if my engine fails I doubt I'd be able to row against a 7 knott current.

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Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 24 Apr '10

24 Apr '10

Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a topping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the end of the boom onto just while setting up and taking down.

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Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 24 Apr '10

24 Apr '10

I only have one set of reefing points on the sail that came with my M15 from the previous owner. What I did was to tie a sheet to a shackle at the end of my boom, run it up through the grommet in the clew of my sail (same height as the Cunninham), then back down to a block on the side of the boom and forward to a cleat. If I uncleat the line and pull forward, the boom goes up at an angle until it reaches the height of the grommet. Then I can tie the reef points, then lower the mainsail and tie down the line along the mast that runs through the Cunningham. I do keep the topping lift hooked up while sailing, but in fact if I have to do the aforementioned reefing drill, I have to adjust the topping lift on the cleat at the mast. With my rig, I wouldn't envision the boom crashing down but I more of the rookie here so I could be wrong. Is there a better way? Thanks all for your input. Neil

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Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 23 Apr '10

23 Apr '10

UNCLE! :-)

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Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 23 Apr '10

23 Apr '10

Hi Larry, Thanks for chiming-in. I point well taken regarding reefing but why would it be a problem raising the main? I'm trying to visualize this. A friend of mine has a Vagabond 17 and he has the aforementioned setup with no topping lift. Then again, he does mostly mountain lake sailing (relatively small lake--not like Coure de Alene) and I have never heard of him reefing because he wouldn't go out in heavy winds and would not be very far from any shore. But he does raise his sail with the boom end hooked on to a pig-tail (about 18" long) off his rear stay. I guess I'm just showing my inexperience in these matters. Anyway, truth is, I actually don't bother removing my topping lift while sailing even though it occasionally and slightly chafes the leach of the sail. Thanks Neil Original Message: ----------------- From: Larry E Yake leyake(a)juno.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:26:36 -0700 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a topping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the end of the boom onto just while setting up and taking down. Well..... your topping lift is used for more than that. For instance, I wouldn't want to tie my boom to one of those snotter lines when I was tying in a reef. You don't want to be tied on to that when raising the main, either. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting

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Re: M_Boats: Ballast on M-15
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 23 Apr '10

23 Apr '10

I've not heard of anyone carrying a spare outboard, although it makes sense. Have you ever had a need to use the spare? What kind of engine do yo use as a spare? sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 4/20/2010 8:21:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, capnlou(a)ec.rr.com writes: I remember reading that the 15 was light in the bow with people in the cockpit, so for awhile I had a spare 2.5 engine in the forward part of the V-birth. It was alright but it tended to bring the bow down too much. I recently managed to put it under the starboard cockpit bench and it makes a pretty good counter to the 2.5 that is mounted on the port transom. I keep my anchor forward now and it seems to be a pretty good balance. The spare engine is a 2 cycle and it has no fuel in it so ther is no danger of gas leaking. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 23 Apr '10

23 Apr '10

Hi Larry, That's a good point. We used our topping lift while reefing our M15 in Havasu. Not having used one before, we were surprised how much it helped. Also, a tipping lift would aid in the using of a tent. We're planning a tent accessory. sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 4/22/2010 8:27:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, leyake(a)juno.com writes: >>Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a topping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the end of the boom onto just while setting up and taking down. Well..... your topping lift is used for more than that. For instance, I wouldn't want to tie my boom to one of those snotter lines when I was tying in a reef. You don't want to be tied on to that when raising the main, either. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine
by Larry E Yake 23 Apr '10

23 Apr '10

>>Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a topping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the end of the boom onto just while setting up and taking down. Well..... your topping lift is used for more than that. For instance, I wouldn't want to tie my boom to one of those snotter lines when I was tying in a reef. You don't want to be tied on to that when raising the main, either.

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Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 23 Apr '10

23 Apr '10

A good point Neil, thanx. sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 4/22/2010 2:40:14 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ndorf(a)surfbest.net writes: Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a topping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the end of the boom onto just while setting up and taking down. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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