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Tow vehicle for M23
by Jeff Packer 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

Jeff here. Still lurking although I haven't posted for awhile. I'll be sure to check my centerboard pin on "Clarity" after the recent posts on them coming out I'm going to be purchasing a truck and want something to tow my M23 (possibly for long road trips). The boat is listed at 3600 lbs displacement. With the trailer and misc. gear I'm thinking its probably at least 5000 lbs I'm looking at a 2002 chevy silverado 1500 with a 5.3 liter V8. I believe the 5.3L engine is comparable to a 327 cu in. Since I won't be towing the boat all the time and I need a work truck, the 5.3L gets better mileage than the traditional 5.7L (350 cu in). Anyone have any thoughts on towing with this particular truck? I've been thinking that it would tow it fine even if I did have to slow down on hills a bit. I loved towing it with a friend's diesel pickup, but not sure I want to drive a diesel everyday. What other suggestions for a truck might someone have? By the way, projects for this year are lining the inside of the hull in cabin with wood. Building shelves all around on the inside. And building a fold down table. The cabin was left unfinished when built. This should add the comforts that I want for longer trips. I have great photos of other 23's with completed interiors thanks to all you out there that have posted them online. :-) Thanks, Jeff M23 Clarity Marcus WA

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Tow Vehicle for M23
by Julie Muller 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

>From John Muller To Jeff. The 6.0 L engine in my Chevy 2500 4x4 is gas. It is a pleasure to drive, almost like driving a nice SUV. I get around 16MPG but that drops to 12 when I am towing. I hate driving a big gas guzzler all the time to tow a few times a year but I think its better than having yet another vehicle for a daily driver. On another subject...I wanted to let all our friends from the San Juan trip know that Sydney the sailor dog went to doggy heaven a couple weeks ago, wont be the same without a full crew. John M23 "Dream Time"

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Sydney
by edarts93＠earthlink.net 03 Mar '10

03 Mar '10

We're sorry to hear of Sydney crossing the bar. We know how hard it is to lose a faithful companion. May all your fond memories bring a smile to your face as you weather the storm of grief. Mark, Roberta & Charlie (the not so fond of sailing dog) -----Original Message----- >From: Julie Muller <jmuller(a)bendbroadband.com> >Sent: Mar 3, 2010 7:25 AM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: Tow Vehicle for M23 > >>From John Muller To Jeff. The 6.0 L engine in my Chevy 2500 4x4 >is gas. It is a pleasure to drive, almost like driving a nice SUV. I get >around 16MPG but that drops to 12 when I am towing. I hate driving a big gas >guzzler all the time to tow a few times a year but I think its better than >having yet another vehicle for a daily driver. On another subject...I wanted >to let all our friends from the San Juan trip know that Sydney the sailor >dog went to doggy heaven a couple weeks ago, wont be the same without a full >crew. John M23 "Dream Time" > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Tow Vehicle for M23
by Jim Ellsworth 03 Mar '10

03 Mar '10

John & Julie, Sorry to hear about Sydney. I really enjoyed Sydney and had fun hiking you guys and Sydey. We lost a Chihuahua after 16 years, she was a great traveling dog and went on many a camping trip with us. We were pretty sad for a long time. Jim Ellsworth M-17 #603 Grace -----Original Message----- >From: Julie Muller <jmuller(a)bendbroadband.com> >Sent: Mar 3, 2010 7:25 AM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: Tow Vehicle for M23 > >>From John Muller To Jeff. The 6.0 L engine in my Chevy 2500 4x4 >is gas. It is a pleasure to drive, almost like driving a nice SUV. I get >around 16MPG but that drops to 12 when I am towing. I hate driving a big gas >guzzler all the time to tow a few times a year but I think its better than >having yet another vehicle for a daily driver. On another subject...I wanted >to let all our friends from the San Juan trip know that Sydney the sailor >dog went to doggy heaven a couple weeks ago, wont be the same without a full >crew. John M23 "Dream Time" > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Tow vehicle for M23
by Julie Muller 03 Mar '10

03 Mar '10

Hi Jeff..I have a M23 named Dream Time ; I live in central Oregon and tow over mountains frequently. My first tow vehicle was a F 150 with a 312 , I cant remember the horse power but I did all the tricks to improve performance. The vehicle was barely adequate to tow my M 23 , I could get where I wanted to go but it was no fun, and extremely slow. I now have a Chevy 2500 with a 6 L , the difference in handeling and power is HUGE. I would not even consider a ½ ton, I am sure you would regret it after any long tows. I can travel over the mountain passes right along with the traffic now and not feel like a hazard, also with my F 150 I felt like I was destroying the truck by working it so hard. Hope this helps. I have been on the list for years but this is my first posting.

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Re: M_Boats: re-coring cockpit floor
by bownez＠juno.com 03 Mar '10

03 Mar '10

Hello Robbin, My, you have good taste in boats, Montgomery and Cape Dory.... As we all know,any balsa cored boat can develop soft areas due to water intrusion Balsa is a wonderful building block, until it gets wet. My older M17 #92 circa 1976 had a small soft area on its starboard foredeck by the bow pupit when I bought her in 1997. I tried injecting epoxy. Over the years is spread to a much larger area. The only way to repair it properly is to remove the saturated balsa and replace it with dry material. This job I finally tackled. I cut out the lower layer of fiberglass in the entire foredeck from inside the V-berth, working on my back. The balsa core was like a soggy sponge. I built a large "patch" section to fit the area using the fiberglass lower cut-out as a template. The patch was a sandwich of epoxy and coremat. The tricky part was going against gravity to epoxy the new piece in place, trying to avoid any voids to the hull. I finished by painting the area and adding a hardwood brace along the top of the ceiling running from aft bow pulpit mounting bolts. I also installed port and starboard cleats on hardwood risers to replace the stock center cleat. So far, so good. No leaks and a firm deck. This was one nasty job. I love my M-17 so I got up the courage to undertake it. (although a romp in the park compared to Sean's M-23 refit). Larry Yake went through the same ordeal with his M-17 foredeck. This job would have been far easier if it was undertaken from the top. I chose the bottom approach because I didn't want to repaint the entire top deck. It would have been nice to be able to turn the boat upside down! Getting back to the Dory cockpit floor. Here you could cut out the top layer, remove the soft balsa, and have gravity work WITH you. Kerf cut balsa is available, and you could make a plug and epoxy the whole patch together. If careful, you could even re-glass the old fiberglass floor section on top of it. Then paint it to match the top deck. What size Cape Dory is she? Alberg designs are classic. If you decide to take on such an endeavor, don't forget to wear your respirator! Good luck! Bones ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=45qRqkaFSYVKV1zB5n6fKwAAJ1ApM…

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Re: M_Boats: Double braid eye splice
by Bruce Ward 03 Mar '10

03 Mar '10

I've been splicing running rigging for many years now and first did it from instructions in Hervey Garett Smith's Marlin Spike Sailor - an excellent book still available. Short of that, there are many resources for splicing double braid and 3 strand on the net. Anyone can build their confidence doing this.

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Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle for M23
by edarts93＠earthlink.net 02 Mar '10

02 Mar '10

Yes, they now have a 5.7 liter V-8 with 380 hp and 400 ft lbs torque. Big disk brakes on all four corners. If I wasn't so partial to Toyotas I would definitely go the 3/4 ton domestic route. The company I work for buys 3/4 and 1 ton trucks all the time and we have just recently shifted to buying Dodge trucks. They are about $4000 less with the diesel than the comparable Ford or Chevy trucks. We get a minimum of 250,000 miles out of a pickup before we retire it. These are hard working back roads with heavy loads miles. Not a lot of towing, though. The big advantage for you is the used domestic market has lots of choices and you will be sure to find something suitable. Bigger will most definitely be better for you especially on coast to coast towing. Make sure it's comfortable. Mark M23 Faith -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Packer <cjpacker(a)theofficenet.com> >Sent: Mar 1, 2010 6:41 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle for M23 > >Mark, > >Are they putting bigger engines in the Toyota Tundra now? I'm really not >looking to buy new or near new. The used Tundras I have seen have had a 4.8 >liter V8. Thats a smaller engine than the Chevy I was considering and one >reason I have not considered them. But maybe I'm mistaken. > >Jeff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roberta Dvorscak" <edarts93(a)earthlink.net> >To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" ><montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:28 PM >Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle for M23 > > >> Jeff, >> We pulled our M23 across some truck scales and the combined >> boat/trailer/gear weight was 5,875 lbs. You better figure on a weight >> close >> to 6,000. We tow with a Toyota Sequoia which is equivalent in power and >> weight to the 1/2 ton pickup you are considering. I think it is barely >> adequate for the job but it was the vehicle we owned when we bought our >> M23. >> I did add air bags inside the rear coils and they work great for load >> leveling. If I was buying a vehicle I would opt for a 3/4 ton pickup or >> something equivalent with at least an 8,000 lb tow rating if possible. >> Actually, my personal preference would be for a 2008 or newer Toyota >> Tundra >> (11,000 lb tow rating). The smaller engine works hard when you pull all >> that >> weight and gas mileage suffers accordingly. We only get 9 to 9.5 mpg >> pulling >> the boat and we hold the speed down to 60mph. A heavier rig with a big >> gasoline engine would probably achieve 12 mpg or maybe better and a diesel >> might get 17 or 18. These figures are anecdotal from talking to others >> towing various boats and camp trailers with different tow vehicles - your >> mileage may vary. In short, you can get by with the vehicle you are >> considering but a bigger engine and a higher towing capacity will make >> towing safer and easier. I guess it depends on how much you would use the >> vehicle for everyday driving as opposed to towing the boat. Make sure the >> trailer brakes are in good working order, especially if you choose the 1/2 >> ton pickup - your life may depend on them. >> Mark Dvorscak >> M23 Faith >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Packer >> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:40 PM >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: M_Boats: Tow vehicle for M23 >> >> Jeff here. Still lurking although I haven't posted for awhile. I'll be >> sure to check my centerboard pin on "Clarity" after the recent posts on >> them >> coming out >> >> I'm going to be purchasing a truck and want something to tow my M23 >> (possibly for long road trips). The boat is listed at 3600 lbs >> displacement. With the trailer and misc. gear I'm thinking its probably >> at >> least 5000 lbs I'm looking at a 2002 chevy silverado 1500 with a 5.3 >> liter >> V8. I believe the 5.3L engine is comparable to a 327 cu in. Since I >> won't >> be towing the boat all the time and I need a work truck, the 5.3L gets >> better mileage than the traditional 5.7L (350 cu in). Anyone have any >> thoughts on towing with this particular truck? I've been thinking that it >> would tow it fine even if I did have to slow down on hills a bit. I loved >> towing it with a friend's diesel pickup, but not sure I want to drive a >> diesel everyday. >> >> What other suggestions for a truck might someone have? >> >> By the way, projects for this year are lining the inside of the hull in >> cabin with wood. Building shelves all around on the inside. And building >> a >> fold down table. The cabin was left unfinished when built. This should >> add >> the comforts that I want for longer trips. I have great photos of other >> 23's with completed interiors thanks to all you out there that have posted >> them online. :-) >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff >> M23 Clarity >> Marcus WA >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2712 - Release Date: 02/26/10 >> 11:39:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Double braid eye splice
by Larry E Yake 02 Mar '10

02 Mar '10

I just finished my first double braid eye splice! Aarrgh! I feel like a real sailor! There'll be no living with me now!! Ha Ha Larry

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Centerboard pin.
by Rod Jones 02 Mar '10

02 Mar '10

All this centerboard talk has me thinking. I have a recent, new to me 2008 M17. Do I need to worry about my pin coming out, or did Bob take care of this problem on the newer boats? Also, what happens when the pin falls out. The centerboard is still attached by a line, but it sure must cause a problem banging around under the hull. I've been thinking about taking my boat on a pretty good trip offshore, and I wonder if I need to glass that pin in place. Thanks, Rod Jones

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