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Re: M_Boats: It's not too late ...
by eisenee＠aol.com 13 Sep '09

13 Sep '09

We really would love to join your Apostles cruise but we are booked up. If we trailer up there from Tx we want to sail more then 1 weekend. Eldor And Dorothy M17 Motu iti

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Re: M_Boats: electric M15s
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 13 Sep '09

13 Sep '09

Thanx for the input and the resource. I'll chase it down. sal In a message dated 9/12/2009 4:20:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wdscobie(a)yahoo.com writes: the idea of electric aux power is great ... range continues to be an issue. like all-electric cars. if you only sail for the day and never will range further than the distance a full charge could 'motor' you back to trailer/dock they work great. if you cruise batt power will never cover your use. ex: during the '09 MSOG san juan trip motored four-ish hours the first 5 of the seven days i was with the group. the remaining two days i motored seven-ish hours. these numbers represent a SIGNIFICANTLY LOW percentage of motoring for a puget sound & san juan island cruise. you would need a solar panel the deck size-plus to charge the batts in the best of conditions to keep up with an electric motor's demands. best case a 14"x14" hard panel will give you 1.2-1.5amps A DAY. this is a panel about the size of the m17's forward hatch. those 'flexible' panels are 1/2 as efficient... so the 14"x14" sized unit output is less than .6amps a day. because of these limitations small panels are only good for 'floating' a battery. if you are really interested in solar i suggest don casey's SAILBOAT ELECTRIC SIMPLIFIED (1999, international marine). he gives an excellent summary of how to set up a solar system ... and limitations. as far as M15s 'stock' battery - i know bob will add electrical; but it is an option. i don't know where he places a batt(s). when i installed a system on my 15 i placed a group 24 fits under the v-berth in the bow 'flotation foam' locker. i know the older 17s come with a location to store a battery (port of the compression post under the v-berth). i have no idea if bob's 17s have a battery storage location stock. electrical system is an option on the 17s. dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA --- On Sat, 9/12/09, SALGLESSER(a)aol.com <SALGLESSER(a)aol.com> wrote: Thanx for the welcome Sean. Thanx for the SCA reference Dave. You saved me from digging it up. It's a neat thing. John is an electronics guy so he used his skills on the M15. We just got lucky that it was his that was available when we decided to purchase one. The motor is run by DC batteries. John has three in the boat. I don't know what comes stock. It's charged by AC with a converter built into the boat. John kept it charged at the slip. We keep it charged in the driveway. He has a meter that controls charge. The controller is under the cockpit seat (starboard rear) with the knob easily accessible. Twist the knob for forward and reverse. John said he never ran out of power, but his guess is the motor can run for about two hours. It got a little hairy for a while. We dropped sails and motored for a while. We probably used it for 45 minutes to an hour with no problems. We'll rig it up with solar chargers so we can replenish when no AC power is available. I've heard that an electric outboard is available out there, but haven't chased it down. It's nice to have been able to get a boat that wasn't a "project". We'll naturally make changes to personalize the boat but it was "turn-key fun" for us. salngail M15 #361 "JustUs" (formerly "Rejoyce") M23 #2 - being built _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: first sail on a Montgomery
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

Thanx for the welcome Sean. Thanx for the SCA reference Dave. You saved me from digging it up. It's a neat thing. John is an electronics guy so he used his skills on the M15. We just got lucky that it was his that was available when we decided to purchase one. The motor is run by DC batteries. John has three in the boat. I don't know what comes stock. It's charged by AC with a converter built into the boat. John kept it charged at the slip. We keep it charged in the driveway. He has a meter that controls charge. The controller is under the cockpit seat (starboard rear) with the knob easily accessible. Twist the knob for forward and reverse. John said he never ran out of power, but his guess is the motor can run for about two hours. It got a little hairy for a while. We dropped sails and motored for a while. We probably used it for 45 minutes to an hour with no problems. We'll rig it up with solar chargers so we can replenish when no AC power is available. I've heard that an electric outboard is available out there, but haven't chased it down. It's nice to have been able to get a boat that wasn't a "project". We'll naturally make changes to personalize the boat but it was "turn-key fun" for us. salngail M15 #361 "JustUs" (formerly "Rejoyce") M23 #2 - being built In a message dated 9/11/2009 8:27:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: Way to go you guys!!!! Welcome to the club!! :-) What's this about an electric inboard??? I hadn't heard of that before. Love to know more about it. Sean M23 "Dauntless" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 79, Issue 5
by Stan Winarski 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

Dropped in on Gerome Meminger during Bay Days and realized I had spoken with him at, I think, the book fair at the convention center, and that he then had given me a copy of his book, THE LONELY LITTLE BLUE BOOK to consider showing on Bedtime Stories. (Or had you even thought up Bedtime stories back then???) Once we sort out what we want to do, I'll send him a permissions grant form too. His story starts well enough but the chance encounter with a globe-trotting hunter is a bit contrived. Frankly, I like BLACKBEAR the PIRATE better. If you want to give Alec $50 now (or collect it from him to reimburse you for his expenses) I can write the check to you instead of mailing it to him. Let me know which.

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Re: M_Boats: It's not too late ...
by NummiJ＠aol.com 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

Hi Sharon I will be in main for a week of cycling. I was hoping there wood be a trip to the Apostle sorry we missed it. Send pic's M-17 LENTO KALA Dale Nummi 1910 Cumming Ave Superior, WI 54880 715-392-5853

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Re: M_Boats: Another Video
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

Very nice Sean. Thanx much. Seems like a good tease for the next gathering and a good collection of Monty's in action.. I thought the music was fine. salngail In a message dated 9/11/2009 3:26:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: The San Juan Islands Visitors Bureau and Chamber of Commerce along with some of the other Island Chambers are sponsoring a "vacation video contest". The prizes are pretty darn nice! I had entered some of the videos I had made of our trip but figured that if you weren't on the trip they are probably boring, especially if you aren't a sailor. They also are not interested in any vid or pics from the Gulf Islands. So...I set out to make a video entry that tries to spice things up a bit and only uses images from the San Juans portion of our trip. The music..............................uh.........................well,.... hahaha, no, I don't have that cd, nor will I ever and I think that I can say pretty much for sure, none of you would either....BUT...it lends itself to a fast paced video so I chose it. I tried to keep this thing moving fast so that even a non-sailor might be interested. All the prizes for the deal are vacation packages. 'Jo and I are too far away to be able to take advantage of any prize. The video is a compilation of footage and pics from all the crews. SOOOO....if by any small chance it was to get awarded any prize...we are going to stick everyone's name that was on the trip in a hat (except Jo and I) and draw. Whoever wins it, wins it. I doubt it'll ever come to that because the video is more about sailing and not as much about the islands, but who knows. So anyway....if you have 10 minutes you want to waste...sit back and click! _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gZKbOqOok_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gZKbOqOok) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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It's not too late ...
by Gordon Gilbert 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

... for you to join in the annual Montys Apostle Islands fall cruise! Three M-Boat crews are signed up now to enjoy this Lake Superior national lakeshore's beautiful fall colors and (we hope) steady winds. We'll be launching from Bayfield, Wisconsin, Thursday morning, September 24th and returning Sunday, September 27th. Come and make some sailing memories to remember over the long (we hope not) winter! Please e-mail me if you'd like to sign up or want more information. Gordon M-17 "Sapphire" Milwaukee Link to National Park Service's Apostle Islands web pages: http://www.nps.gov/apis/index.htm

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Re: M_Boats: first sail on a Montgomery
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

Way to go you guys!!!! Welcome to the club!! :-) What's this about an electric inboard??? I hadn't heard of that before. Love to know more about it. Sean M23 "Dauntless"

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first sail on a Montgomery
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

Hi all, We finally got our first sail on a Montgomery. We brought our new M15 home to Colorado from Arkansas about a month ago. We had “dry-fired” her in the driveway, but finally got her wet last weekend in one of the hi-country Colorado lakes (10,200’). Had an opportunity to sail in all weather conditions from calm to reefed main. We’ve been sailing for many years, but we’ re novice sailors based on hours and experience. Rigging took longer than planned. Of course we had to make every mistake possible at least once, and sometimes twice. Launching was quicker and easier than expected. Centerboards are interesting contraptions and John’s inboard electric drive (with reverse) really simplified getting off and on the trailer. Kudos to Jerry Montgomery for designing and building such a fine little boat. Very impressive, especially for a 23 year old craft. Kudos also to John Butler for the myriad of improvements and inventions he’s added to the boat. (Electric inboard, lights, heater, sound, depth, jiffy tiller holder, etc.) Winds change very quickly in the mountains and we learned just how useful a downhaul can be. We’ve not used one before. It began raining really hard just after we docked. John’s custom boom tent was effective, comfortable and really opens up the small boat. We felt spoiled. We just ordered new sails from EP Sails. Harry is great to work with. Looking forward to hauling her south when the snows come. Visit some new sailing areas. We’ve learned a great deal about Montgomery boats from this forum. Thanx for being there. SalnGail M15 – ’86 #361 “JustUs” (formerly Rejoyce) M23 - #2 (being built)

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Another San Juan Video???? uh...yes :-)
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Ronnie, All I used was the windows movie maker program that came on the computer. The music?? I know.....hahaha But you gotta admit...it keeps it jumpin'! hahaha

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