September 2009 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Poker Run Update
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 18 Sep '09

18 Sep '09

Sean, We will be trying to also fit-in a loop through the L.A. basin to visit family, either before or after Havasu, so we may need to pare this down by a day to fit everything in. Is the actual "event" on Friday-Saturday-Sunday where the Thursday night 2/11 is just for arrival / nothing scheduled? And what did you have in mind for Monday / Monday night? If I have to shave a day off, would I be missing much if I checked out Monday morning? Or better to arrive during the day Friday instead of Thursday and stay through Tuesday morning? Thanks, Neil

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Re: M_Boats: Poker Run Update
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 18 Sep '09

18 Sep '09

Matt and fellow "poker runners", Shouldn't be a problem this year (ski races). I have moved our event up one week sooner and have applied for an official Coast Guard Permit for our event. Part of the permitting process is for all agencies with any jurisdiction in the area to sign off that the event will not conflict with any other event. Permits are on a first come first served basis so I made sure to get ours in early. Even had to do an ecological survey to make sure you guys aren't screwing up the wildlife system here with all your loud, polluting, wake generating, giant sailboats! I do not have the permit in hand quite yet but have been told by CG it's just going through the channels and they see no problems or conflicts with the dates or events. I don't know what Dan is going to do for excitement this year! I inspected the rooms at the resort today....NICE...all suites with kitchens, sitting rooms and bedrooms and windows overlooking the channel and bridge. Slips are in very nice shape. Restaurant and Pool/patio/bar are beautiful. Should be an awesome venue! This is NO Black Meadow Landing or Havasu Springs "resort"! 30 rooms are blocked out for us. Reservations can be made any time. Reference that you are part of the "Havasu Pocket Cruisers" to get the $99.00/night including slip. No resort fees either. No deposit is necessary. Just book the room and give a card #. They will run the card on your first night's stay. Cancellations must be done 48 hours in advance of first night or you will be responsible for the first night's fees. At 30 days before the event any un-booked rooms will be released to be given out to anyone first come first served. You can still book at the group rate at that point but you may not get a room. Regular room rate...get this...it's like $239/night not including the slip! This is a great deal at $99/night with a slip especially considering it's a holiday weekend! Dates of event are Feb 11 thru 15th. You may book additional days before or after if you choose and can have the same group rate. I'm on duty next two days, then will get the Poker Run website up as well as the message board. You can make reservations as of now if you want. Book the entire time. We will not be staying at Black Meadow or Havasu Springs this year. Neither can handle our group size. Don't worry, we'll still have fun! Contact the : London Bridge Resort - 928-855-0888 MAKE SURE TO TELL THEM YOUR WITH THE HAVASU POCKET CRUISERS! If there are any issues contact me at 928 566-7663 I will return your call as quick as I can more info to come...as soon as I get off duty on Sunday If you book a room please send me an email at _nebwest2(a)aol.com_ (mailto:nebwest2@aol.com) and let me know so I can keep a count on who's coming! S

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Poker Run Update
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 18 Sep '09

18 Sep '09

Hey Gang: I am meeting tomorrow with the London Bridge Resort. The have made a proposal for us to move the event to their facilities, after I approached them again. I tried to do this last year but their room rates were WAY high ($239.00/night) and they would not throw in a boat slip( Additional $40/night). This year...different story. The resort is very, very nice and has their own protected slips right in front of the Hotel and beside the London Bridge. No matter what the weather their slips are protected. Although I love the beach atmosphere of the Nautical Inn, their lack of docks for the boats is a huge issue. Especially since early estimates are that we may be 30+ boats strong this year! Running the event out of the London Bridge Resort will allow everyone to launch their boat, slip it, have the trailer/truck parked in a blacktop parking lot with the boat read to go right out in front of the hotel, Give us access to numerous restaurants, great views of the Bridge, allow us to have a little "show and shine" style boat show one evening, have a protected place to go if the wind comes up strong, etc, etc, etc. It's really a no-brainer. The proposal is that rooms will be $99.00/night including your slip with no resort fees. (remember the Nautical was $79.00 with a $15.00 resort fee). There is a free public boat ramp we can use at the back of the island or you can pay $10 and use the marina's ramp which is a little closer to the hotel. The Hotel also has a Pool/patio/bar overlooking the Channel and the boats and they have indicated that they can serve dinner out there if the weather is cooperative. It should be a great deal. I will scope it all out tomorrow and take some pics and video. Sailing all the way to Havasu Springs is still up in the air. They will not be able to house 30 boats worth of folks overnight. If you remember last year we had to run some folks back up to Havasu 'cause we booked everything they had. It's too far to sail the round trip in one day and enjoy it. I have talked to them about us sailing down on Sat, slipping all the boats for the evening, eating dinner there, and then having a 50 passenger tour bus run us back up to the London Bridge Resort for the evening and return us in the morning. It's a good plan except for the bus thing. Prices I have gotten for the bus are approaching $300 each way! Yikes. I guess that are basing that on 50 people at about $6 a person , which I suppose is reasonable sounding in that respect but still not optimal. It really breaks up the evening and I don't know bout you but a 25 minute bus ride Sunday morning doesn't "float my boat". So we may modify the Poker run to head down the lake to about the halfway mark, say around Black Meadow landing, and then do a 180 and end up back at the BIG COMFY WARM HOTEL again....(that's for the gals!) :-) So that's where we are at. Sounds like we are going to pick up a couple of extra GREAT sponsors. Should be a great year. We are still 5 months out and a lot of stuff is still in the planning stages. But the dates are Feb 11-15 and it looks like the London Bridge Resort is the place. Don't make any reservations yet till everything is firmed up , so you get the group deal. Another cool deal is that the week you will be here, there is a HUGE fireworks convention here. Fireworks of every type are launched at the south end of town till 10pm every night, with a full show on Sat night. That's it so far.. Sean

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boom vang
by Thomas Jenkins 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

I'm just a learner with my 17, so surprises still abound. I found that an accidental gybe (always a risk in the fluky winds where I am sailing) can hang the boom in the backstay if the main is single- reefed. I generally pull the boom across by hand to cushion the shock of a gybe, so the boom does not ride up, but big gusts can be unpredictable if they are not touching the lake surface. Anyway, a vang seemed unnecessary with the mainsheet in mid-cockpit, but now think a small four-part might hold the boom down enough to keep it clear of the backstay under unusual conditions. Any thoughts? On another sail subject, I arbitrarily set the boom at a height that put the head of the main maybe 6 inches from the masthead. I tried raising the main to the top of the slot, but the roach in my (presumably stock) Elliot-Pattison main puts a good chunk of the sail--and the upper batten--a few inches outside the backstay. Has anyone had a broken batten or a hung sail during tacking with this configuration? I prefer not to learn the hard way. Thanks, Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla

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Re: M_Boats: Poker Run Update
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

ahhhhhhh Yesssssss! A Rosario Poker Run!!!! Niiiiiice! Larry?? Are you listening??? :-) S

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Re: M_Boats: Poker Run Update
by Neil Dorf 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Sean, Sounds perfect! Sailing 1/2 way down the lake and turning back makes the most sense. Thanks for doing all the great detective work! By the way, enjoyed your Cannes Film Festival award winning San Juan sailing video :-) I think my M15 would be uncomfortably small for that many days of cruising and camping for my wife and I but someday hope to try an abbreviated version where we sail to the Rosario resort, stay there for several nights and use as a base of operations for day sailing around the islands. Rosario Poker Run ? Best Regards, Neil Dorf -----Original Message----- From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: 9/16/2009 6:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Poker Run Update Hey Gang: I am meeting tomorrow with the London Bridge Resort. The have made a proposal for us to move the event to their facilities, after I approached them again. I tried to do this last year but their room rates were WAY high ($239.00/night) and they would not throw in a boat slip( Additional $40/night). This year...different story. The resort is very, very nice and has their own protected slips right in front of the Hotel and beside the London Bridge. No matter what the weather their slips are protected. Although I love the beach atmosphere of the Nautical Inn, their lack of docks for the boats is a huge issue. Especially since early estimates are that we may be 30+ boats strong this year! Running the event out of the London Bridge Resort will allow everyone to launch their boat, slip it, have the trailer/truck parked in a blacktop parking lot with the boat read to go right out in front of the hotel, Give us access to numerous restaurants, great views of the Bridge, allow us to have a little "show and shine" style boat show one evening, have a protected place to go if the wind comes up strong, etc, etc, etc. It's really a no-brainer. The proposal is that rooms will be $99.00/night including your slip with no resort fees. (remember the Nautical was $79.00 with a $15.00 resort fee). There is a free public boat ramp we can use at the back of the island or you can pay $10 and use the marina's ramp which is a little closer to the hotel. The Hotel also has a Pool/patio/bar overlooking the Channel and the boats and they have indicated that they can serve dinner out there if the weather is cooperative. It should be a great deal. I will scope it all out tomorrow and take some pics and video. Sailing all the way to Havasu Springs is still up in the air. They will not be able to house 30 boats worth of folks overnight. If you remember last year we had to run some folks back up to Havasu 'cause we booked everything they had. It's too far to sail the round trip in one day and enjoy it. I have talked to them about us sailing down on Sat, slipping all the boats for the evening, eating dinner there, and then having a 50 passenger tour bus run us back up to the London Bridge Resort for the evening and return us in the morning. It's a good plan except for the bus thing. Prices I have gotten for the bus are approaching $300 each way! Yikes. I guess that are basing that on 50 people at about $6 a person , which I suppose is reasonable sounding in that respect but still not optimal. It really breaks up the evening and I don't know bout you but a 25 minute bus ride Sunday morning doesn't "float my boat". So we may modify the Poker run to head down the lake to about the halfway mark, say around Black Meadow landing, and then do a 180 and end up back at the BIG COMFY WARM HOTEL again....(that's for the gals!) :-) So that's where we are at. Sounds like we are going to pick up a couple of extra GREAT sponsors. Should be a great year. We are still 5 months out and a lot of stuff is still in the planning stages. But the dates are Feb 11-15 and it looks like the London Bridge Resort is the place. Don't make any reservations yet till everything is firmed up , so you get the group deal. Another cool deal is that the week you will be here, there is a HUGE fireworks convention here. Fireworks of every type are launched at the south end of town till 10pm every night, with a full show on Sat night. That's it so far.. Sean _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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M17 rudder
by Thomas Jenkins 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

To whomever: As I might have mentioned this morning, I opined that an IdaSailor blade might pop up all the way with a proper tug, although it never worked for me. Sure enough, with a swift, firm pull the darn thing came up to 5 degrees or so from vertical, so there you are. An impressive engineering achievement, if think it. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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Re: M_Boats: boom vang
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Tom and Della, Make sure to pull Scintella and get her below the snowline in time so you can drag her down here for the Poker Run! I'm expecting you guys! :-) Sean

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So..you're lurking on this list...Wondering...
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

If a Montgomery is for you... Well my friend..this is the best I can do...Four years condensed down to 10 minutes.....the Montgomery Experience.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmIRJvENtVU_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmIRJvENtVU) (Awesome chick and polar bear not included) :-) Sean, Jo, and of course, Bosun M23 "Dauntless" www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 79, Issue 3
by DavidCPatterson Patteson 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

A general question for the list: what have sailor's done to handle grounding for lightning protection on their Montgomeries? I was sailing on Lake Granby in Colorado, at 8280 or so feet above the sea. A thunderstorm passed nearby, seemingly very low overhead at that altitude. Static snapping from the backstay to my back alerted me to the electrostatic charge accumulating on Cloud Girl, my M17. When I sat forward I could hear static begin to rhythmically snap from the tip of an anchor on the cockpit bench to one of the hinges there. Needless to say, I headed more near the shore, where something was higher than my mast, in this case a rocky and tree-covered mountain side. My friend Mike called me later to tell me he was experiencing the same phenomenon on his M15, La Pequenita, at a dock a few miles away across the lake, where he couldn't touch his boat without a discharge of static. The next day of my four day mini-cruise up there I reached away from another storm, this one showing lightning on the mountain peaks to the north. Since then, I have been researching static dissipators and grounding plates and braided copper straps and so on. Please share your system if you have installed one. What were the elements, how did you route them, where did you put the external grounding plate (if you used one), etc? Chance of being hit by lightning in a sailboat, I read, is .02% or so. Actually pretty high. Higher if it has an inboard engine, or you are in Florida. Or perhaps on a high mountain lake in an electrical storm! I would appreciate any system descriptions. Thanks, David, M17 #393

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