May 2009 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Light requirements
by Tom Jenkins 05 May '09

05 May '09

Hello group, I am getting a bit confused about required lighting for Mongomery 15s and 17s in coastal waters. Unless rules have changed, my "stock" bow mounted bicolor and stern-mounted white should suffice for night sailing, and these lights plus the top (cylindrical) half of the dual light about a meter above the spreaders (the "steaming" light) should suffice for steaming. I find the USCGboating.org suggestion for anchor lights on boats less than 7 meters ambiguous as written; it could mean these boats are exempted from flying a daytime black ball in most locations, or it could mean they are exempted both day and night. Does anyone know what the precise CG anchor light requirements are, or where they can be found (preferably on the internet)? Thanks much, Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
by treed＠communitycareinc.com 05 May '09

05 May '09

Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint Date: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:30 pm Size: 1K To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez(a)juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint > Hi John, > > I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23. > > Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive. > > Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water. > > I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom > paint, recoating should be done with the same product. > > For what it is worth. > > Later, > > Bones > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on how to reduce your debt by filing for > bankruptcy. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLjhbWpbqjdDCx3K2JXIfXGBb… > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! --- message truncated ---

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Rigging Questions
by Dan Richman 05 May '09

05 May '09

I'm the proud new owner of a 1979 M17, "Orli," with a couple of rigging questions I hope the group can help me resolve. 1. Prior to raising the mainsail, how do I properly adjust the boom so that the mainsail slugs remain in the mast's slot? If the forward end of the boom is raised above the widened portion of the slot where it and the sail slugs are inserted, there's nothing to keep it up there--and the sail probably couldn't be raised all the way up. But if the forward end of the boom is allowed to drop down from the widened portion of the slot to the point where it stops on its own, most or all of the slugs fall out of that wide portion. Yet it appears that fully-down position is where the boom is intended to join the mast, to judge by the position of the two eyes and two jam cleats that make up the cunningham, such as it is. (And by the way--why are there two of each, rather than just one? I think I'm not understanding something.) 2. My 100% jib is at least 16" shy of the masthead when fully raised. I think my 150% may also fall short. I thought maybe this was because the mast was raked back too far--could that be? Did it shrink over the years? (It's old.) Is it the wrong size (though it appears to have been made especially for the boat)? Any thoughts much appreciated!

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Ladder
by John Ledger 04 May '09

04 May '09

All, I am looking for a good ladder for mu M-15. Has anyone found one they liked? I'd like to avoid making any holes. John in Oregon

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Raising the centerboard on a run; sculling with an IDA-SAIL rudder
by David C. Patterson 04 May '09

04 May '09

Anybody have experience with these things? Out for a second sail of the season on Chatfield Res south of Denver on a chilly, misty May Day, my companion Mike got me to set up the spinnaker pole to the jib on a run. We were admiring how well it worked in the 4 to 5 mph wind, running wing on wing. Probably in first stage hypothermia, I recalled William Snaith writing in The Wind's Way about running with the centerboard up to reduce wetted area, during his early 60's trans-atlantic race on Figaro III (he won). So I tried that myself. I got a full extra knot out of my M17. So, question: what other centerboard tricks don't I know? (I have already learned that I tack less at anchor with the centerboard up, and that I "sag to leeward like a pig" when I forget to lower it on a reach.) Second question, for anyone who might have tried it: coming into the docks with almost no wind, we discussed and tried sculling our way to the dock using the Ida-Sail rudder, brought up to just under the surface of the water. It makes a pretty powerful scull. (One of my personal challenges is to sail to and away from the dock with no engine, if possible.) Darned if it didn't work a treat. Anything someone knows about this technique, aside from strain on the tiller head, which I found myself watching, I'd love to hear it. Especially any cautions. As a second season sailor, I need to collect warnings. Thanks, David (M17 #393)

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Anchor lamp
by bownez＠juno.com 04 May '09

04 May '09

Hi Tom, I use the Davis low current anchor lamp for my boats. It comes with a long cord and I run it up the aft stay. It has a built in bezel and a photocell that shuts off the lamp when the sun comes up (and I'm still snoozing). I'm sure Defender has them. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIyVkli0TPmGs0qKmg3ulN3tD…

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 04 May '09

04 May '09

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
by treed＠communitycareinc.com 04 May '09

04 May '09

Thanks Joe...I ordered a boat cover from them as well...Tony E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint Date: Sun May 3, 2009 7:59 pm Size: 2K To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> I'll get my sail cover and take the measurements. I know I didn't order it from Sailor's Tailor. That was who I got my boat cover from. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed(a)communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint > Thanks Joe...I tried an Ebay company and they didn't have any in stock. I > was trying to measure and order from Sailor's Tailor who makes the boat > cover. Thanks, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe > Murphy > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:26 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint > > Hi Tony, > Yes I did get a sail cover and it fits perfectly. It came with a tiller > cover as well. I've just spent the last hour going through old emails and > digging around for the paper work. It must be on the boat. I'll check > tomorrow and get back to you. I think it was either Lee Sails or an Ebay > company named comboat. I'm drawing a blank. > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <treed(a)communitycareinc.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint > > >> Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have >> one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I >> just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a >> good fit...T >> >> E. Tony Reed >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> >> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint >> Date: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:30 pm >> Size: 1K >> To: "For and about Montgomery >> Sailboats"<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> >> I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight >> per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with > Bones. >> You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same >> product. >> I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is >> in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use >> ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out >> there with great advice. >> Joe >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <bownez(a)juno.com> >> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint >> >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23. >>> >>> Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive. >>> >>> Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water. >>> >>> I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous >>> bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product. >>> >>> For what it is worth. >>> --- message truncated ---

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Re: M_Boats: new sail for M15
by W David Scobie 03 May '09

03 May '09

jason: i'm sending this to the MSOG list jason in hopes you will get the information. i attempted to send you email direct. your returned address gets retuned as invalid. i measured SCRED's mast and the measurement is 19' 2". the E/P sail is the same height (within an inch or so) as the older, as far as i know, 1984 mckibben sail. now ... at some time someone set the gooseneck on SCRED to be at a height so that it easy cleared one's head. the result was the sail was bunched at the foot (i just made it work by using a cunningham to correct, overall, the sail shape). for the footless E/P sail i've lowered the boom by about a foot so the sail correctly sets. result ... watch you head a bit more closely during a tack. dave scobie M17 #375 - sweet pea (http://www.m17-375.webs.com) M15 #288 - SCRED (FOR SALE, http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred) --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Jason A. Smith <jason(a)hausmansmith.com> wrote: Hello David, I noticed your various postings about your selling the boat. I wish you good luck with your upsizing. I’m curious about the new main for your M15 – it looks like an EP sail correct? Well, I would like to buy a new main myself from EP but have run into a rigging issue. Seems the older M15s have a shorter mast than the newer Norsea boats. The luff on the EP main is suited for the new boats as he is the OEM supplier. I’m curious if you bought a “stock” EP main, and how it fits. My 1988 M-15 #411 has a mast extrusion that is exactly 19’ long (19’2” to the top of the masthead fitting). I just thought I would check with you first. I don’t want the luff too long and the boom bonking my head J You thoughts would be welcome. Best regards, Jason Smith Hood River, OR

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Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
by W David Scobie 03 May '09

03 May '09

for USGC ( http://www.uscgboating.org/safety/fedreqs/equ_nav.htm ) when on the motor - If your power-driven vessel is less than 23 feet/7 meters in length and its maximum speed cannot exceed 7 knots, then it may display an all-round white light, and if practicable, sidelights if you already have a tri-color on the mast there is an easy to add all-around white using the existing wire described in don casey's book (it is what i'm going to do on SWEET PEA). and for under sail - If your vessel is less than 23 feet/7 meters in length, then it should display lights for a sailboat (tricolor at masthead; or white stern with gree/red at bow). As an option, your vessel may carry an electric torch (flashlight) or lightened lantern that can show a white light in sufficient time to prevent collision. dave scobie M17 #372 - sweet pea (http://www.m17-375.webs.com) M15 #288 - SCRED (for sale, http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred) --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Joe Murphy <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> wrote: I guess I wasn't very clear in my original post. My purpose of the masthead light is to complete the all round light when I'm under power. I have a stern light which is ok when I'm just under sail, but when I'm under power, I need to complete the 360 degrees. I've seen some masthead lights that are combined with a deck light. Not sure I need a deck light for an M17. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Sandberg" <sanderico1(a)gmail.com> > Joe, > > Kinda depends on what duties the light will be expected to perform. Anchor > light, steaming light, running lights, or just a light so you can see on > deck?? > > Rik > > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm putting in a masthead light and wondered what would be the appropriate >> height. I'm thinking about half way between the top and the spreader. Does >> is really matter?? >> Joe >> Seafrog M17 >> >>

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