May 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Seriously Now folks..............
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 May '08

28 May '08

Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Please be advised: _http://www.ussailing.org/News/2008/discharge_permit.asp_ (http://www.ussailing.org/News/2008/discharge_permit.asp) In addition to our 'micro-cruisers' this would encompass boats like my Sunfish, M-6-8 and canoe! Please take appropriate and direct action LOUDLY! This may not seem important to the folk 'downtown,' but it will have a serious impact on our boating and will waste untold amounts of money to "correct" after it has passed without the Recreational Exemption. Thank You. GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Genoa rigging
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 May '08

28 May '08

If a 'cunningham' is named after Briggs Cunningham................Is a 'barber haul' named after: A.Haley Barber. B.Geo.W. Barber C.Samuel Barber D. _____________ E. The Barber Twins appears to be the correct answer! I dunno! Who the hell is Mr Twing? GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Genoa rigging
by Steve R. 28 May '08

28 May '08

In one of his books, Dennis Conner said during his youth he raced a set of twins named Barber. One of them invented the BH. PS: Doug Your last CBC e-mail was garbled. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY ******************************************* Do you know where the names, twinger and barberhauler came from? Thanks Doug

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Genoa rigging
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 May '08

28 May '08

BAAH BAAH Barber haul - hauls a sheet inboard or outboard - athwartship. "Pinch -In, Reach -Out" (to be a stickler or any other equivalent for smart aleck) a 'Twing' directs the lead downward toward the deck.) Stupid little differences that drive some nutz. Guess whO sad to see this tendency toward unidentified lurkers - it is a sad commentary on the times. See above for "sad commentary" **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Genoa rigging
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 May '08

28 May '08

Captain Sadler, I can understand your reluctance to drill holes in your newly refinished teak toerail. I am reluctant to weld track to my aluminum toerail. Park your boat out in the sun all summer and the toerail will cover the UV damage. (lg dose o' sarcasm). You could possibly get by with 12" -18" of track at minimum for your genoa sheet lead IF...you had your mast rake determined and fixed based on the boats setup, AND your shrouds and stays did not stretch, AND if your sail was not subject to stretch, AND if you sailed in the same wind speed/wave conditions all the time. Not really a realistic plan, as the variables are numerous and if not setup to accommodate these variables the sail is not close to reaching its potential. Lets try this one - try and find a track with fastener spacing that matches the boats rail, use that track to cover and preserve that teak from the elements AND allow you to realize the full benefit of your new genoa! A 24" track, low profile - would do just fine. Ask other M-15 owners for the location of their track and use that as a basis for locating the hardware. Having the proper hardware in the proper location - no more - no less- makes for an easy, safe, elegant sailing experience. Think long and hard, try all layouts BEFORE drilling, and think again, If you do not have experience with the 'application' ask some people who have the 'fittings' and what they would change or how it works, or what to look out for in the way of interference. Lotsa M-15 folk to chime in - I havent had one for years. Good Luck,Have Fun, Take Care GO LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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new Monty owner
by Carlos 28 May '08

28 May '08

New Monty owner here! 1979 Monty 17 - Hull #302. Carlos Navarro Hemet, CA Primarily sail in Diamond Valley Lake in Hemet, San Diego, and LA harbor. Also, buddy boating/camping trip to various locales (CA, NV, AZ).

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Re: M_Boats: M 17 questions
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 27 May '08

27 May '08

Carlos, My seriously strong opinions follow. Its my opinion and I know I am right. 1. 4 Hp four stroke yamaha - fine motors - not as inexpensive as others but very well built. see if 'high thrust' prop is available - use it and keep std prop for spare. 2. Motor mount. My 4 Hp Evinrude will hit the rudder blade at the trailing edge when motoring (cut-out transom) I am building a small fixed motor mount to set the engine at the same height and move iit back approx 6.75 inches - it is the same as my stolen Hall Spars J-24 mount (See Hall Spars J-24 motor mount) This will allow me to clear the rudder blade and spin motor for reverse. 3. Using factory original. 4. That is a doubler/stiffner or a tab to pull the hull from the mold. Have to see to deternine. 5. Pin it and walk it up (with help from friends or people bribed with beer). GO LB/GF! M-17 # 316a **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Trailer for sale
by Carlos 27 May '08

27 May '08

M17 Trail-Rite Trailer for sale. Came with my new/used boat. Trailer was re-furbished by previous owner, including sandblasting, welding all brackets, new paint, new radial tires, new bunks, keel guides. Very good condition. $950 Carlos (951) 306-9197

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M 17 questions
by Carlos 27 May '08

27 May '08

New Monty owner here. Great place here with a great group of people and great info.! I had several M17 questions and was hoping the fine minds around here could impart some wisdom. BTW - Can a search be made by topic? I hope you don't get too bored with my many more questions to come. 1. Outboard HP size - What size outboard are you guys using? I sail in lakes and and So. Cal ocean. I will be purchasing a 4 stroke and was thinking Nissan/Tohatsu 4-6 hp. All three weigh the about the same (55-57lbs) and are within a couple of hundred bucks of each other. Thoughts? 2. Outboard brackets - My boat came equipped with an outboard bracket on starboard side of transom. I asked and previous owner stated that rudder hits OB when steering hard to one or both sides? Since I do not have a motor to test this I was wondering if the OB bracket is common. I'd prefer to use the original cut out section on port side and place a swim ladder on starboard side. Have any of you filled in cut out and placed an OB bracket on port side? If so, what was your reason? 3. Cockpit drain - Have any of you modified/improved the original set up? I was considering a 1 1/2 " through hull at rear of cockpit (vertical install) and exiting straight back at transom with another 1 1/2 " through hull (as new boats are done). Transom through hull would/should be above water line. New boats use 2 drains (1 at each corner of rear cockpit section) since floor is flat. My boat has the cockpit that dips in rear/center at drain so 1 drain at center is all that would work. 4. While looking inside hatches toward rear starboard side near transom, I found a piece of fiberglass that is mushroom/cave shaped and appears factory original. What is this? 5. Mast Raising - How are you guys raising your masts? I saw the set up on new boats and it looks pretty good (telescoping pole attached at bow of trailer where one would attach a block at top of pole and use block/tackle to raise with halyard). Thanks, Carlos Hemet, CA 1979 M 17 Hull #302

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new Monty owner
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 May '08

26 May '08

Congrats Carlos!!! Obviously you made it home safe...long trip, eh? Make sure to get some pictures to Bill so he can put them on the MSOG PhotoSite! She's a good looking boat (I've had the privilege of already seeing some pics!) Sean M23 Dauntless www,havasumontgomerys.piczo.com **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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