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Just how Stable??
by wcampion＠aol.com 02 May '07

02 May '07

All, I was out sailing this past weekend and the wind was a bit gusty and being unpredictable. I was sailing in the Baltimore Harbor and the wind shifts a lot due to the buildings crowding the waters edge. I was on a port tack when a gust of wind hit the boat and healed us over. I was having problems releasing the main sheet. Every time I pulled up on the jam cleat, the cleat adjustment angle would move up one notch. The harder I pulled up, the higher the angle moved. The boat was healed over so much that the starboard gun wale was 6 inches under water and the cockpit was filling up. By the time we were able to release the main sheet we had 6+ inches of water in the cockpit. I was certain we were going swimming. With the exception of our shoes getting wet, everything else stayed dry. I can not believe how stable and well balanced this boat is. I'm not sure at what angle we were sailing (nearly tipping over), but it is far greater then what I am comfortable with, and still the boat remained upright. When we got back to the dock and began stowing our gear, I found the starboard locker full of water. In the end I'm glad this happened on the starboard side, since the port locker was cut out by a previous owner. Which means the bilge would have been full. In the end, it's best to know the limits of the boat. Now I have a better idea of just how far I can heal over before I go swimming. Fairwinds, Skip M-15 #201 '82 Wild Guppy ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

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Re: M_Boats: M15 Keel repair
by Brian Ripley 01 May '07

01 May '07

I was hoping my M15 had lead ballast but passing a magnet over the keel confirmed it is steel. No swelling though. -- Brian Ripley '88 M15 #421 ----- Original Message ---- From: Arnold Sharpe <afsharpe(a)mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 8:42:53 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Keel repair Jim, I have an early model M-17 (1979) with a stuck c-board which I will be working on in a couple of weeks as soon as I can get my cradle built. Do you have any idea how to determine the material used for ballast (lead or iron) without removing the floor and digging it out? I would agree that not having the c-board will certainly reduce your windward abilities but the boat will still handle quite nicely with the board up (ie stuck). Regards...Arnold On May 1, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Jim Sadler wrote: > Bob > > Some of the early M-15 had steel punching used for balast. If the > steel > were to get wet (like mine) it would swell up and clamp the center > board > (like mine) and you could not drop the center board. The fix is to > remove > the steel balast and replace it with lead (that will not swell if it > get > wet). > > With out the surgery the boat is useless. > > Hope your vessel has lead. > > Jim Sadler > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats- > bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats- > bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmis > sion.com]On Behalf Of Robert Becker > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:55 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Keel repair > > > Jim, > Interesting pictures of your M-15 keel repair. The fiberglass vein > is a mystery?? What motivated you to do the keel surgery in the > first place? > > Bob > M15 #208 > CA > > On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Jim Sadler wrote: > >> I finally gathered enough courage to do surgery on the Pelican. >> >> Check out the pic at >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/jascopacific/M15KeelRepair >> >> I discovered the steel punching are rusted at the top. It looks >> like water >> entered from above probably the interior of the cabin. >> >> Interesting is the vein of fiberglass that runs horizontally though >> the >> punchings. >> >> Any ideas about what this vein is for? >> >> This repair isn't very fun. I would rather be pushing to weather in a >> parting sea! >> >> Any opinions would be appreciated. >> >> Captain Jim >> >> Sailing vessel Pelican >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Bob and Judy Becker > bobjudy2(a)comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Just how Stable??
by Bobbie Mayer 01 May '07

01 May '07

>When we got back to the dock and began stowing our gear, I found the >starboard locker full of water. In the end I'm glad this happened >on the starboard side, since the port locker was cut out by a >previous owner. You have an 82; the port locker in my 83 M15 came that way- port locker is open; starboard is an enclosed storage area. I suspect your 82 may have come that way also. Bobbie M15 #321 "Liftoff"

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M15 Keel repair
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 01 May '07

01 May '07

One thing to consider with respect to installing a thinner centerboard to cure a swollen trunk is that rust never sleeps. If your trunk has swollen enough to pinch the board due to rusted steel ballast and you remedy it by putting in a slimmer board, why wouldn't the trunk continue to be wet inside, continue to rust, and then continue to swell. Sooner or later I'd think it would just pinch the new board or split the trunk open. It seems to me, IMHO, that replacing the board with a thinner one is a temporary cure of the symptom rather than fixing the problem. That was what I based my decision on to cut the trunk open and remove the steel ballast. Sean M23 Dauntless www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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M15 Keel repair
by Jim Sadler 01 May '07

01 May '07

I finally gathered enough courage to do surgery on the Pelican. Check out the pic at http://picasaweb.google.com/jascopacific/M15KeelRepair I discovered the steel punching are rusted at the top. It looks like water entered from above probably the interior of the cabin. Interesting is the vein of fiberglass that runs horizontally though the punchings. Any ideas about what this vein is for? This repair isn't very fun. I would rather be pushing to weather in a parting sea! Any opinions would be appreciated. Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican

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M15 Keel repair
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 01 May '07

01 May '07

Captain Jim, Oh boy! You're causing me to have flashbacks! I encountered something similar to the "vein" of resin and glass when I replaced Dauntless' ballast. It was an area of solid resin and mat that was in the lower portion of the rear windows I cut. I assumed that it was just some matting and resin that was stuffed in there to help fill the cavity up. I also noticed that the process of inserting all the ballast and then pouring resin in and letting it seek its own way down through the material actually led to a very random dispersal pattern for the resin. Some areas of the original ballast were a solid resin/punchings mixture, while other areas had no resin whatsoever. In those areas with no resin the puchings just flowed out of the cavity like a slot machine paying out. Here is a link to a pic our website that shows the "vein" of solid fiberglass and resin I encountered. Since it was in the bottom of the cavity, at the extreme rear, and there was no ballast embedded in it, I just left it. You are looking at all the new lead ballast installed and waiting to be sealed up.over the top of the diagonal vein in the bottom of the window. _http://pic1.funtigo.com/go/hires?sitename=havasumontgomerys&img=184726453&… 5584&sw=1024&sh=768_ (http://pic1.funtigo.com/go/hires?sitename=havasumontgomerys&img=184726453&k…) Hope the repair goes smooth for you. What are your plans? Are you just drying it out or replacing the ballast? Sean M23 Dauntless ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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