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RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
by Hughston, Larry 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

Bob Eeg does sell M-15 Center Boards. He is the owner of Nor'Sea Yachts and has the Montgomery Factory. He inherited the factory from Jerry Montgomery who built my sailboat. Bob Eeg can be reached at (949)489-8227. Go to the web site and take a look. www.norseayachts.com Fair Winds. ----Larry # 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sadler Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:47 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Thanks Larry How do you reach Bob Erg? Does he sell centerboards for M-15 Captin James Albert Sadler skipper M-15 sailing vessel Pelican -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis sion.com]On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:27 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Jim, I would leave the trunk untouched if it is not swollen. Go ahead and get a new lead with fiberglass exterior CB from Bob Eeg. I did that and glad I did. The old steel CB was truly an oxidized, bloated, crusty mess! The old CB had to be extracted by the marine repair professionals I use here in Sacramento. Not cheap but satisfied with the outcome. ---Larry (Monty 15 hull #189) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of thauser(a)att.net Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard The black liquid may have been grease from the punches. Since she is almost 25 years young, can't say what or how long the liquid has been inside. It looked like 1/2 water and 1/2 oil or light grease. I could not remove the punches. They are sealed in a clear gell, probaby epoxy. The ones I could see were not rusted. I do believe there is swelling inside the trunk. The ballast in CB and trunk is steel as per the magnet . If I ever have to remove the ballast, it will have to be done from the exterior side of the trunk (see Dauntless at http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/ She had this done last year. If the CB works OK I sure won't attack the trunk any time soon. -- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417 -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>: -------------- > Thanks Tom > > What do you think the "black liquid" was? What did you do to the > centerboard ballast to stop the rust? Did you replace the balast in > the centerboard? > > Captin Jim > skipper "Pelican" > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > sion.com]On Behalf Of thauser(a)att.net > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:58 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > Jim: > > I purchased Kestrel, M-15, # 175, last year in Monterey, CA. She spent > her > life in salt water. CB was stuck solid. Used auto floor jack, pry bar, > nylon straps, and plenty of soft language (!#., % * but nothing like #$$, or > ^&!$??>>!!). Took out the copper swivel pin also. After much labor, was > able to pry out CB. Opened the CB (4" x 4" inspection hole) and found about > 1/4 cup of black liquid. Punchings were sealed in fiberglas so not all were > corroded. > > Trunk may have problems but can't get to it without major surgery. > Sanded > CB down as much as possible and this gave it enough clearance to go back > into trunk with plenty of space to swing. > > Replaced the pennant with a smaller line, made sure knot was stuffed > inside > the recessed area at rear edge of CB. > > Before reinstalling brass swivel pin I placed a SS bolt. It sticks out > either side of trunk but won't hurt for one season. Am waiting one season > to make sure there is no further swelling (at least to impede CB), then will > replace swivel pin and fiberglas the holes on either side of trunk. > > Also, sailing only in fresh water may retard swelling. Put lots of > marine > bearing grease on CB. Double checked to make sure pennant is clear. So > far, so good. > > Regards. Tom > > > -- > Thomas (Tom) Hauser > EEOC Contract Investigator > Post Office Box 981134 > Park City, UT 84098-1134 > 435-640-8417 > > > -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" > : -------------- > > > > Thanks Rik > > > > Do you know of anyone who has performed "major surgery" for this > condition? > > What did they do? Do you know what form the 250 # of ballast is in? > > Is it > > steel punching? Does the surgery involve removing the ballast and maybe > > replacement with lead? > > > > Maybe the best way is to send "Pelican" to Davey Jones fleet. > > > > Jim Sadler > > skipper M-15 Pelican > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > > sion.com]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:09 PM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > > > > Jim, > > > > If that happens the problem is in the trunk, where the ballast is. A > > 15 > > has about 250 lbs of ballast. > > > > But I'd make darn sure the pennant isn't stuck down along-side the > > center board before I started any major surgery. > > > > Rik > > > > Jim Sadler wrote: > > > Question > > > > > > Is it the centerboad that swells or is it the trunk that swells. > > > Is > there > > > steel inside the trunk that swells? > > > I am sure this has been dicussed on the form but I don't know how to > > search > > > for a subject? > > > > > > Thanks for any suggestions or opinions > > > > > > Jim Sadler > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: > > > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > > > sion.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sadler > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:25 AM > > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > Subject: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > > > > > > > My center board is really stuck. > > > > > > I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded. > > > > > > How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated. > > > > > > Jim Sadler > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Pondering the meaning of looseness...
by Hughston, Larry 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

So.....Bill, you're always planing on the water with the Montgomery....right? -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of William B. Riker Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:11 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Pondering the meaning of looseness... Tim, My 1981 M15 has the same condition. Let's knock on wood and keep quiet so the others aren't too envious. Storm Petrel has never been kept in the water for more than a week or so, and spent most of her trailer time under roof. In addition, when sailing she is usually moving so fast that water can't find its way through the cracks! Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:01 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Pondering the meaning of looseness... While I am thinking on it, thanks to Bill and Randy for going to the trouble of posting story and images of their board and bunk projects. I appreciate that. I am making plans for some repairs, mods and maintenance for our 17. One issue that get my 'interest' while sailing is the ..... flopidyness...of the CB. When not under pressure (and when down of course) the board can kind of bump and bang up against the sides of the case/keel. I read lots of stories of jammed or tight boards....but it seems I have quite the opposite situation. <insert Viagra joke here> I am wondering if this is considered usual. Seems to me that it is great that everything is free and working , but I am wondering if perhaps the pivot bolt may be worn....or the hole in the plate...? The pendant could use replacement....so this could be used as additional excuse to go to the bother. I had a look at the board last year . While diving. It looks like it has no coating and is just rough metal. The boat has been used in salt but I don't think has ever been left at anchor much. I use it in fresh water. Also, I wonder if it is usual for both the pivot bolt and stop bolt to be proud of the keel surface. Should they be recessed and filled/faired? Is there enough thickness or meat at that point to do this? Cheers, Tim Diebert M17 #369 PUFF Kelowna BC ....finally above freezing and on the downhill side. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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M15 stuck centerboard
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

Ugh! I must have posted too long. My post got cut-off. Old and long winded I guess! well, just check out the website and the pages on bottom/blister/keel/ballast repair. Good Luck, Sean M23 Dauntless www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com

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Pondering the meaning of looseness...
by Tim Diebert 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

While I am thinking on it, thanks to Bill and Randy for going to the trouble of posting story and images of their board and bunk projects. I appreciate that. I am making plans for some repairs, mods and maintenance for our 17. One issue that get my 'interest' while sailing is the ..... flopidyness...of the CB. When not under pressure (and when down of course) the board can kind of bump and bang up against the sides of the case/keel. I read lots of stories of jammed or tight boards....but it seems I have quite the opposite situation. <insert Viagra joke here> I am wondering if this is considered usual. Seems to me that it is great that everything is free and working , but I am wondering if perhaps the pivot bolt may be worn....or the hole in the plate...? The pendant could use replacement....so this could be used as additional excuse to go to the bother. I had a look at the board last year . While diving. It looks like it has no coating and is just rough metal. The boat has been used in salt but I don't think has ever been left at anchor much. I use it in fresh water. Also, I wonder if it is usual for both the pivot bolt and stop bolt to be proud of the keel surface. Should they be recessed and filled/faired? Is there enough thickness or meat at that point to do this? Cheers, Tim Diebert M17 #369 PUFF Kelowna BC ....finally above freezing and on the downhill side.

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RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
by Hughston, Larry 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

Jim, I would leave the trunk untouched if it is not swollen. Go ahead and get a new lead with fiberglass exterior CB from Bob Eeg. I did that and glad I did. The old steel CB was truly an oxidized, bloated, crusty mess! The old CB had to be extracted by the marine repair professionals I use here in Sacramento. Not cheap but satisfied with the outcome. ---Larry (Monty 15 hull #189) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of thauser(a)att.net Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard The black liquid may have been grease from the punches. Since she is almost 25 years young, can't say what or how long the liquid has been inside. It looked like 1/2 water and 1/2 oil or light grease. I could not remove the punches. They are sealed in a clear gell, probaby epoxy. The ones I could see were not rusted. I do believe there is swelling inside the trunk. The ballast in CB and trunk is steel as per the magnet . If I ever have to remove the ballast, it will have to be done from the exterior side of the trunk (see Dauntless at http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/ She had this done last year. If the CB works OK I sure won't attack the trunk any time soon. -- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417 -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>: -------------- > Thanks Tom > > What do you think the "black liquid" was? What did you do to the > centerboard ballast to stop the rust? > Did you replace the balast in the centerboard? > > Captin Jim > skipper "Pelican" > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > sion.com]On Behalf Of thauser(a)att.net > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:58 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > Jim: > > I purchased Kestrel, M-15, # 175, last year in Monterey, CA. She spent > her > life in salt water. CB was stuck solid. Used auto floor jack, pry bar, > nylon straps, and plenty of soft language (!#., % * but nothing like #$$, or > ^&!$??>>!!). Took out the copper swivel pin also. After much labor, was > able to pry out CB. Opened the CB (4" x 4" inspection hole) and found about > 1/4 cup of black liquid. Punchings were sealed in fiberglas so not all were > corroded. > > Trunk may have problems but can't get to it without major surgery. > Sanded > CB down as much as possible and this gave it enough clearance to go back > into trunk with plenty of space to swing. > > Replaced the pennant with a smaller line, made sure knot was stuffed > inside > the recessed area at rear edge of CB. > > Before reinstalling brass swivel pin I placed a SS bolt. It sticks out > either side of trunk but won't hurt for one season. Am waiting one season > to make sure there is no further swelling (at least to impede CB), then will > replace swivel pin and fiberglas the holes on either side of trunk. > > Also, sailing only in fresh water may retard swelling. Put lots of > marine > bearing grease on CB. Double checked to make sure pennant is clear. So > far, so good. > > Regards. Tom > > > -- > Thomas (Tom) Hauser > EEOC Contract Investigator > Post Office Box 981134 > Park City, UT 84098-1134 > 435-640-8417 > > > -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" > : -------------- > > > > Thanks Rik > > > > Do you know of anyone who has performed "major surgery" for this > condition? > > What did they do? Do you know what form the 250 # of ballast is in? > > Is it > > steel punching? Does the surgery involve removing the ballast and maybe > > replacement with lead? > > > > Maybe the best way is to send "Pelican" to Davey Jones fleet. > > > > Jim Sadler > > skipper M-15 Pelican > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > > sion.com]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:09 PM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > > > > Jim, > > > > If that happens the problem is in the trunk, where the ballast is. A > > 15 > > has about 250 lbs of ballast. > > > > But I'd make darn sure the pennant isn't stuck down along-side the > > center board before I started any major surgery. > > > > Rik > > > > Jim Sadler wrote: > > > Question > > > > > > Is it the centerboad that swells or is it the trunk that swells. > > > Is > there > > > steel inside the trunk that swells? > > > I am sure this has been dicussed on the form but I don't know how to > > search > > > for a subject? > > > > > > Thanks for any suggestions or opinions > > > > > > Jim Sadler > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: > > > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > > > sion.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sadler > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:25 AM > > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > Subject: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > > > > > > > My center board is really stuck. > > > > > > I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded. > > > > > > How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated. > > > > > > Jim Sadler > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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M15 stuck centerboard
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

Jim, I, unfortunately, have performed the "surgery" you are speaking of. The only difference is that I did it to my 23 instead of a 15 or 17. To answer a few of your questions: My ballast was steel like yours. It was partially encapsulated in resin and partially loose. The resin had been poured in from the top of the cavity and never made it all the though the steel punchings 100%. Mine was also extremely greasy and I suspect that this was a residual oil coating that may have been on the punchings when they were obtained from the washer factory. Upon opening the side of the cavity some of the punchings flowed out like a slot machine. The rest had to be removed with an air chisel. I had 8 or 9 hundred pounds to remove. I think that the black liquid you are seeing may be the result of the water mixing with the residual uncured resin. My keel had begun to blister through from the inside of the cavity out and the black liquid was oozing from the large blisters. That was my first clue of major problems to come. Watch out! that liquid can actually squirt out at you and it is basically an acid. I got a shot right in the glasses, luckily I was wearing them. I replaced all the steel ballast with lead. I was unable to locate "scrap" lead and ended up buying lead shot. If you have to do this get ready to be flabbergasted at the price (at least I was). 1200lbs of lead cost around $1000.00. The process I used to replace the lead completely encapsulated 100% of the lead and filled the entire cavity 100% with resin. You will have extra space after replacing the steel as the lead is much denser and will not take up as much space. The good news is that it will concentrate the bulk of your weight even lower in the keel and benefit the boat's stability. I took advantage of some advice from Jerry M. and added some extra ballast to the 23 as they tend to be a little tender. I doubt that you would want to increase the ballast on a 17 or 15. You can fill the extra space up with resin. I also reworked the swing keel and replaced the bronze pivot and stop pins, lifting pendant, and keel brake winch while I was at it. You must find out where the water got in from and correct that issue. Even though you will no longer have steel to worry about rusting, you don't want moisture in the cavity that is going to cause it to blister out. My keel trunk had a crack right at the turn of the bottom of the keel up into the swing keel slot. There are pictures of this on my site. In my mind, most important is that you need to be patient with this repair. While you could probably do the actual work rather rapidly, you really need to get that keel open, remove the steel, and let it dry. The laminate that has been saturated is going to take a while to dry out. The test is to tape a piece of clear plastic on all four sides over the area in question. Let it sit overnight. If it has moisture on the inside in the morning the laminate is still wet. Don't seal it up like that or you're gonna have more problems down the road. It took months in Arizona's

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Montgomery 17 in a garage?
by Burt Revell 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

Ahoy Mates, I'm trying to figure if some modifications to the height of my garage door would allow me to get a Montgomery 17 inside. Does anyone have the measurement from the ground to the cabin top, ground to top of bow pulpit assuming mast is removed from the boat. What size wheels are on the trailer and does anyone change to smaller tires to get the boat in and out of their garage? Thanks, Burt

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RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
by thauser＠att.net 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

The black liquid may have been grease from the punches. Since she is almost 25 years young, can't say what or how long the liquid has been inside. It looked like 1/2 water and 1/2 oil or light grease. I could not remove the punches. They are sealed in a clear gell, probaby epoxy. The ones I could see were not rusted. I do believe there is swelling inside the trunk. The ballast in CB and trunk is steel as per the magnet . If I ever have to remove the ballast, it will have to be done from the exterior side of the trunk (see Dauntless at http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/ She had this done last year. If the CB works OK I sure won't attack the trunk any time soon. -- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417 -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>: -------------- > Thanks Tom > > What do you think the "black liquid" was? What did you do to the > centerboard ballast to stop the rust? > Did you replace the balast in the centerboard? > > Captin Jim > skipper "Pelican" > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > sion.com]On Behalf Of thauser(a)att.net > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:58 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > Jim: > > I purchased Kestrel, M-15, # 175, last year in Monterey, CA. She spent her > life in salt water. CB was stuck solid. Used auto floor jack, pry bar, > nylon straps, and plenty of soft language (!#., % * but nothing like #$$, or > ^&!$??>>!!). Took out the copper swivel pin also. After much labor, was > able to pry out CB. Opened the CB (4" x 4" inspection hole) and found about > 1/4 cup of black liquid. Punchings were sealed in fiberglas so not all were > corroded. > > Trunk may have problems but can't get to it without major surgery. Sanded > CB down as much as possible and this gave it enough clearance to go back > into trunk with plenty of space to swing. > > Replaced the pennant with a smaller line, made sure knot was stuffed inside > the recessed area at rear edge of CB. > > Before reinstalling brass swivel pin I placed a SS bolt. It sticks out > either side of trunk but won't hurt for one season. Am waiting one season > to make sure there is no further swelling (at least to impede CB), then will > replace swivel pin and fiberglas the holes on either side of trunk. > > Also, sailing only in fresh water may retard swelling. Put lots of marine > bearing grease on CB. Double checked to make sure pennant is clear. So > far, so good. > > Regards. Tom > > > -- > Thomas (Tom) Hauser > EEOC Contract Investigator > Post Office Box 981134 > Park City, UT 84098-1134 > 435-640-8417 > > > -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" > : -------------- > > > > Thanks Rik > > > > Do you know of anyone who has performed "major surgery" for this > condition? > > What did they do? Do you know what form the 250 # of ballast is in? Is it > > steel punching? Does the surgery involve removing the ballast and maybe > > replacement with lead? > > > > Maybe the best way is to send "Pelican" to Davey Jones fleet. > > > > Jim Sadler > > skipper M-15 Pelican > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > > sion.com]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:09 PM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > > > > Jim, > > > > If that happens the problem is in the trunk, where the ballast is. A 15 > > has about 250 lbs of ballast. > > > > But I'd make darn sure the pennant isn't stuck down along-side the > > center board before I started any major surgery. > > > > Rik > > > > Jim Sadler wrote: > > > Question > > > > > > Is it the centerboad that swells or is it the trunk that swells. Is > there > > > steel inside the trunk that swells? > > > I am sure this has been dicussed on the form but I don't know how to > > search > > > for a subject? > > > > > > Thanks for any suggestions or opinions > > > > > > Jim Sadler > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: > > > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > > > sion.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sadler > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:25 AM > > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > Subject: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > > > > > > > My center board is really stuck. > > > > > > I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded. > > > > > > How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated. > > > > > > Jim Sadler > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
by thauser＠att.net 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

Jim: I purchased Kestrel, M-15, # 175, last year in Monterey, CA. She spent her life in salt water. CB was stuck solid. Used auto floor jack, pry bar, nylon straps, and plenty of soft language (!#., % * but nothing like #$$, or ^&!$??>>!!). Took out the copper swivel pin also. After much labor, was able to pry out CB. Opened the CB (4" x 4" inspection hole) and found about 1/4 cup of black liquid. Punchings were sealed in fiberglas so not all were corroded. Trunk may have problems but can't get to it without major surgery. Sanded CB down as much as possible and this gave it enough clearance to go back into trunk with plenty of space to swing. Replaced the pennant with a smaller line, made sure knot was stuffed inside the recessed area at rear edge of CB. Before reinstalling brass swivel pin I placed a SS bolt. It sticks out either side of trunk but won't hurt for one season. Am waiting one season to make sure there is no further swelling (at least to impede CB), then will replace swivel pin and fiberglas the holes on either side of trunk. Also, sailing only in fresh water may retard swelling. Put lots of marine bearing grease on CB. Double checked to make sure pennant is clear. So far, so good. Regards. Tom -- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417 -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>: -------------- > Thanks Rik > > Do you know of anyone who has performed "major surgery" for this condition? > What did they do? Do you know what form the 250 # of ballast is in? Is it > steel punching? Does the surgery involve removing the ballast and maybe > replacement with lead? > > Maybe the best way is to send "Pelican" to Davey Jones fleet. > > Jim Sadler > skipper M-15 Pelican > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > sion.com]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:09 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > Jim, > > If that happens the problem is in the trunk, where the ballast is. A 15 > has about 250 lbs of ballast. > > But I'd make darn sure the pennant isn't stuck down along-side the > center board before I started any major surgery. > > Rik > > Jim Sadler wrote: > > Question > > > > Is it the centerboad that swells or is it the trunk that swells. Is there > > steel inside the trunk that swells? > > I am sure this has been dicussed on the form but I don't know how to > search > > for a subject? > > > > Thanks for any suggestions or opinions > > > > Jim Sadler > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > > sion.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sadler > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:25 AM > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard > > > > > > My center board is really stuck. > > > > I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded. > > > > How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated. > > > > Jim Sadler > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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M15 stuck centerboard
by Jim Sadler 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

My center board is really stuck. I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded. How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated. Jim Sadler

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