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M15 forestay and shrouds mast attachment
by George Morrison 31 May '06

31 May '06

Hello all, Would an owner of a late model M15 (one with a 19' 6" mast) measure where the 1/4" bolt for the standing rigging is drilled thru the mast, and were the center of the eye strap for the jib block mounts (from the bottom of the mast up please)? I have an early model M15 with a 19" mast. See "msogphotosite, Maintenance and Mods, M15, Spar Specs" to view the measurements I took off my boat. I plan on raising this bolt and the jib block as part of a project to get my new sails (made to the published I J P E specs) to fit the boat. The new sails are taller than the original "McKibben's.Of course I'll have to buy a longer longer forestay and shroulds, those measurements would come in handy too. I wonder, do the new M15's now have a Mast Hound with tangs and jib block? If so, I'd appreciate any pictures of this arrangement if someone could email them to me. Regards, George Morrison '85 M15 #319 San Jose, CA

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Re: montgomery 15 question
by Steve R. 31 May '06

31 May '06

Stan and Carol (I think it's Carol) Winarski cruise the Chesapeake in their M-15. They are the original owners of an early vintage model. Doug Kelch or Tod M. should have some photos. Doug may have some video as well. Since another CBC is fast approaching it could be a bad time to hook up with them. Connie Benneck has written of the superior sleeping arrangements of a M-15 as compared to the quater berths of a Compac. My wife thinks a M-15 has a ridiculously small cabin for sleeping. Although her first comment was there is as much room in the 15 as the rear cabin of a Beneteau 32 we stayed on for a week. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY On 5/29/06, Ruri Ursua wrote: Hello, I'm going to decide if I buy a montgomery 15, but in all pictures that I saw I only saw 1 person inside the boat, What do you think about that, because I'm married and I would go with my wife also, how many days do you think that the boat is good for trips with two people. Thanks for your comments.

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Keel-A-Monster
by Bill Lamica 30 May '06

30 May '06

Another album added to the Photo Site. Steve Shenkel with his Keel-A-Monster album. Steve is another seriously good How To technical writer. Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com

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RE: M_Boats: Cleaning up varnish
by Tom Smith 30 May '06

30 May '06

You kidding me? It's 60 degrees here today. We're all running around nekkid. I'll try you fix. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:37 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleaning up varnish Tom- Can you dribble a bit of lacquer thinner along the edge to soften the varnish, then clean it up with a very sharp putty knife? Might work. Are you still snowed in? Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <tsmith(a)nextit.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>; <cotmash(a)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Cleaning up varnish I've got a bit of cleanup to do on a teak toe rail. The rail was varnished in haste by a former owner (not Bill), and there's a fillet of varnish along both the inside and outside of the rail where it joins the deck. It's been on there a while, so a sharp blade won't do the job. All the chemical strippers I'm familiar with are harmful to glass, so unless someone has a non-volatile suggestion, that's out. My best alternative thinking on my own is a sharp edged sanding block. Any other suggestions? t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: montgomery 15 question
by Bill Lamica 30 May '06

30 May '06

On 5/29/06, Ruri Ursua <cotmash(a)hotmail.com > wrote: Hello, I'm going to decide if I buy a montgomery 15, but in all pictures that I saw I only saw 1 person inside the boat, What do you think about that, because I'm married and I would go with my wife also, how many days do you think that the boat is good for trips with two people. Thanks for your comments. Hi Ruri, You are correct... There aren't many photos of an M15 with lots of people in them. However, I can think of quite a few sailors who do what you mantion and more. A good example would be: http://www.msogphotosite.com/M15Umbr.html They sail five onboard all the time (it's a family craft). And there is: http://www.msogphotosite.com/M15Bela.html <http://www.msogphotosite.com/M15Bela.html> These folks sail with four quite often (read the story). Also look at "Sirius" M15 on my Photo Site. That would be the Lester's who sail as a couple, most of the time (photo on the site). In fact, they sold a 20 footer to buy the M15. Part of the attraction is: The 15 is very manageable by yourself. Easy to trailer, launch and retrieve. It's perfectly capable with two and if you add many more, keep them small because one may be standing in the companionway for comfort. If you want to sail two couples (adults) better to go with the M17, because the M15 would be crowded (however...it's done all the time for a few hour day sail... the craft is capable). Here's what you need to do: Join our on line E-mail forum and request a test sail. You may have to drive some to get to one, but that's the best way to figure it out. I've sailed aboard two M15's. One in the SF Bay area and the other in Ashland, OR (look at "Margarita" I took all those photos). Excellent craft. Very seaworthy fast and fun. Go to www.MSOG.org <http://www.msog.org/> There you will find out how to get our messages online. In the mean time, I posted this message with your E-mail on the list, and you may get some responces from other M15 owners. Most important is the test sail. Make sure you do that before you buy any small sailboat. There are some big dissapointments in little boats out there. Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com <http://www.msogphotosite.com/>

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Bilge Rats
by Bill Lamica 28 May '06

28 May '06

Added an album entitled Bilge Rats about adversity Norm Bundek overcame while resurrecting his M15. He sure has a lot of energy and determination. Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com

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Beautiful Sailing Day
by John L. Gonzalez 28 May '06

28 May '06

Beautiful sailing day here in San Diego: low 70s, sunny, very nice wind, 12-15 mph steady, with stronger gusts here and there. I rarely see Montgomerys out on the water here in San Diego; today, there were two M-17s out. Big swells, heading out of Mission Bay channel to sea: 4-6 feet, with confused waves near the breakwaters. I had to hold on as Bella was tossed up and down, left and right. Lots of boats heading in and out (the wind was too much for some), with the holiday weekend here. Back in Mission Bay, with the steady, strong wind, I clocked the fastest times I've ever seen with Bella: per my handheld Magellan GPS, mounted on the bridgedeck, I touched 5.9 mph on flat water, and saw 6.2 mph on a very modest swell. I had nice stretches where the GPS ran between 5.4-5.7 mph. With my son at a baseball game with a school friend, and my wife home helping our daughter study for finals next week, I was singlehanding. To make it easier to trim the jib sheets, I cross sheeted the jib sheets: one jib sheet ran from the jib clew through a single block (spring-mounted upright) on my port handrail, to a swiveling cam cleat on the starboard side; with this, I can trim the jib from windward, with the wind coming over the starboard side of the boat. The other jib sheet ran from the jib clew through an upright block on my starboard handrail, to a swiveling cam cleat on the port side; with this, I can trim the jib from windward, with the wind coming over the port side of the boat. Trimming the jib was very easy with this arrangement. Great sailing day, great boat! Sincerely, John Bella (M-15, 628) La Jolla, CA

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Re:Mast Bend
by Brian Gilbert 27 May '06

27 May '06

That's correct... with the standing rig slack, she has a slight bend aft. It's not a kink or hard spot, but the mast above and below the spreaders is slightly straighter. It's no more bend than would normally be added by a backstay tensioner, but still... I'd prefer the mast to be straight in column. I'm not a racer, as is immediately obvious to anyone who sees me on a sailboat... I'm more the trail-your-arm-in-the-water-while-daydreaming type. Thanks BG -- Brian Gilbert Marine Media M17 "Tiny Dancer" (ex "Stargazer") (423)876-9990 3404 Hartford Drive Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com on 5/26/06 10:15 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com at montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > So the mast is bent without benefit of tension in the standing rigging? > No rigger here, but don't think that's right... t > > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle > M17 #496

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Keelhauling
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 May '06

26 May '06

Tom, I agree with Randy. At least from my own experiences with Dauntless, I did not get very good results trying to beat the board down from the top. I actuall got the best results from using trailer winch sucked up to the bottom of the keel slot just behind the centerboard well pulling down on the pendat, but I'm not sure if you could pull the pendant down through on a 15 or not. Also, if you suck the pendant up between the board and the trunk you'll just make things tighter. It's a frustrating deal for sure. As you probably already know from Dauntless' web page, I eventually had to drill holes in the swing keel and install perpendicular pins in it that I could strike. It wasn't pretty or fun. Hopefully you won't have to do something so drastic. I would have to think your windward performance will suffer greatly without being able to get the board down. I know that we did some exerimenting on Jasons 17 in about 20 knots sailing with the board up vs down using a GPS to show us the boats actual track vs the boats heading while beating. We found out that the board only seemed to make a slight difference in the amount of heel of the boat but made a very significant difference in the amount of leeway the boat was making. We were able to judge that by the relative difference between the track and heading sailing in each configuration. Just food for thought. Good luck and stick with it!!! Sean

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Norms Anacapa trip
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 May '06

26 May '06

Just wanted to throw out my Cudos to Norm. If you read the story that is posted with his photo album on the photosite you'll see that he has been sailing for a relatively short time and is completely self taught. I can tell you that not only did his boat look fantastic, but Norm sailed it very well. I knew he was fairly new to sailing from some of the conversations we had during our trip, but didn't realize how new. I would have never guessed it had I not read it! Great job Norm! And Bill...Thanks for the Anacapa Trip album on your site. It looks great. Sean

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