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Long Shaft vs. Short Shaft
by Howard Audsley 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

On my M17, I have a long shaft motor and for most motoring jobs, it works fine. But it too will cavitate when I go forward to raise or lower sails when motoring. Especially in a chop. I would think that would be more evident on the 15. BTW.....Good Old Boat just ran a short piece on a neat trick to use when raising or lowering sails under power. The trick is to tie a bungee from your boom to the tiller. If the boat falls off, as it normally does, the main swings over, dragging the tiller with it to bring the boat back up into the wind. You need enough throttle to keep the boat moving into the wind. If she tacks, it continues to work the same way. If the sails fill and she starts pulling, it should work the same way. My guess is the length of the bungee will have some affect on how close to the wind she stays.

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re: Stern pulpet and safety gear
by Steve R. 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

Ron, Like most things, everyone has a different opinion about long vs. short shaft motors. I went with the long because I thought it would be easier to crank. However if I had come across a good deal on a short shaft I would have been happy with that. If I had to motor a long way before I raised the sails I might want a short shaft. I suspect the transom would block more of the motor noise with a short shaft. Whether you have a short shaft or a long shaft the operating position of the prop and cavitation plate is the same. The height of the power head changes, as does where the motor mount should be located. I went with an adjustable bracket, after being unable to tilt the Honda up on my older style fixed bracket. I set the bracket so that the second from the bottom position is normal running. That way I can drop the motor a notch and keep the prop in the water if I have to go up on the bow. This position also helps when waves roll the boat, lifting the prop from the water. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexingon, KY

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Re: M_Boats: outboard motors
by bownez＠juno.com 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

Excellent Gary! I may be adding some LED's to the M23 this summer. At the Miami Strictly Sail Show there were many vendors of new LED lights. Have you sailed your new M17 yet? Bones

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Photo Site Shutting Down
by David W. Wood 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

After I got that email from him, I wrote back asking him about moving his site to my server space. But he doesn't seem interested. I'm not sure what's going on. But it's a valuable resource, and I'd hate to lose it. David > Between now and then, I'll try to copy the site so that the info is > not > lost. > > Perhaps it could be amended to www.msog.org or, if that is not > possible, > I suppose I could add it to my pages or maybe even the least > labor-intensive site would be to just take over Bill's site as it > is, if > he's amenable. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)dwoodworks.com 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163

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Photo Site Shutting Down
by David W. Wood 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

Bill Lamica asked me to post this note: The MSOG Photo Site will be shut down until further notice on May 15, 2006. Now would be a good time to download any PDF brochures or photos you may wish to keep. It is not certain if the site will reopen. Thanks for the past interest and support, Bill =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)dwoodworks.com 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163

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How did you retrofit a stern pulpit on an M15
by Norm Bundek 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

How did you attach the pulpit? It would take Mini-Me to get in there. I replaced the thru hull bolts on the M15's rudder and had to a large hole in my cockpit to reach them. I had one existing access hole. Even with the two holes it has a hard job. I can't imagine getting in to attach a pulpit. My access holes can be seen at: www.yourcommunityweb.com/Monty15/cockpit.htm

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Re: M_Boats: outboard motors
by bownez＠juno.com 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

Gary, Nice to hear from you! Yep, I vote for solar as well. The M23 is in a marina and I have shore power there, so battery charging is as easy as connecting the shore power AC cord. Dick Lane provided a small solar panel with the M23, but I have yet to use it on either boat. Maybe this summer on the M17. Bones

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Stern pulpet and safety gear
by Richard Cottrell 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

George: Svendens Boat Works in Alameda made stern pulpets for Bob Becker, Scott Grometer, and me using Bert Felten's M15 "Kokopeli" stern pulpet as a a guide. The three of us going together kept the costs down. Clarence: Yes, I almost always use the harness and tether when sailing on windy days on the south bay. The fact is an 800 pound, fifteen foot sailboat with a skeg keel is not safe when alone out on the bay when the wind is up. I've been sailing the south bay since 1962 - first crewing for my dad on his Pearson Electra and later on my Cal 20. For several years I sailed a sunfish and a Capri 14.2. There's seldom anyone else out there to assist you if something happens. The frigid water and current are to be respected, as well as unexepected overpowering gusts. Once a small sailboat becomes overpowered and unstable when running downwind it's good to have a stern pulpet to grab onto. I am proud to say, however, the M15 tracks downwind very well for such a small boat. She is a terrific little sailboat. I love the boat! It's just not the boat for sailing San Francisco Bay. Rich Cottrell

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re: How did you retrofit a stern pulpit on an M15
by Steve R. 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

I too installed a ladder and adjustable motor mount. On each side of the cockpit I put a bomar hatch between my shallow locker and the transom on the seating surface. I can reach far enough back to put a combination wrench on the rudder bolts. While I had the tools out I made a dry run with a socket wrench "breaker bar" and a long extension to determine if I could install a stern light. I am confident that I could do so, or install a pulpit as well. The bolts of the pulpit could not be at the extreme outside edge of the transom but they could be within two or three inches of the edge. The backing plates would have to be fished in place, but I believe this could be accomplished in a short period of time. The Bomar hatches now give me access to previously unusable spaces where I store fenders and dock lines. The hatches are reasonably comfortable to sit on, although I spend most of the time as far forward as the cockpit allows. I can also easily check my rudder, ladder and motor mount bolts. Which I should do as it has been about a year. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY On 04/04/06 10:24 AM, "Howard Audsley" wrote: > And for that thing to be anything other than decorative, don't you also > need some type of backing blocks behind the attachment points? On 4/4/06 9:10 AM, "Norm Bundek" wrote: >> How did you attach the pulpit? >> It would take Mini-Me to get in there. ... >> My access holes can be seen at: >> www.yourcommunityweb.com/Monty15/cockpit.htm

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M17 stern pulpit
by Brian Gilbert 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

Tod: You don't still have them, do you? If you do, I'll buy 'em from you- Thanks BG -- Brian Gilbert Marine Media Author, Fix It and Sail (423)876-1016 3404 Hartford Drive Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com on 4/3/06 8:12 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com at montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > I removed the stern pulpit on my 17 because it was in the way. Not what > you wanted to hear, but at least it is a 17 rather than a 15. :-)

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