August 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

RE: M_Boats: wo--standing rigging
by Tom Smith 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

You had to have been running Gary. I'm not buying a reach. t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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RE: M_Boats: wo
by Tom Smith 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

Wow Gilbert--close call. Those quick release pins are killers. Not a good idea to use them on any standing rigging. But pins and rings can fail too. I had a ring break on the pin on my headstay on the M15 a couple years ago. I was fortunate to be standing alongside the mast sorting out halyards when it failed and was able to barely avert disaster. My lesson learned is to give everything a quick onceover prior to departure, especially if the boat is slipped. t Tom Smith Next IT 509-242-0767

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 at the Annapolis Boatshow/NEWS
by Irv Kooris 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

Bob Can you give me your opinion of two M 17 in the Northeast. Your friend, Irv -----Original Message----- From: "Robert Eeg" <bobeeg(a)earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:59:57 To:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 at the Annapolis Boatshow/NEWS Hi....finally got my new computer working...... For those who wanted a first hand look at a new Montgomery 17 we will have one on display during the Annapolis Sailboat Show. (dry land space 69B) The show runs from October 6 the 10th. I've already heard from many who will stop by and say hello and I look forward to meeting some M_boat owners. Also, Walt Wood who owns a sailing school in Annapolis, will be working at the Montgomery boats display. The boat on display is Walts new boat and for anyone who wants to test sail or view a new Montgomery 17, Walt can arrange it. Walt can also check out people on the M_17 as well as teach them how to sail. This is a great opportunity for East coast sailors/buyers who would like to see and sail a boat first hand. This boat has the Idasailor Rudder and has the Marelon Shut off valves for the cockpit drains. (2). Come and take a look. Check out Walt's website: http://www.sailchesbay.com/pages/2/index.htm This has been a record year for us. We have been building and shipping boats non-stop. Shipping two at a time to the East coast. (a double load is much less expensive). Boats have been shipped/delivered, several at a time, to California,/Utah/New York/Florida/Alaska/Colorado/New Hampshire/ Maryland/Maine/Arizona/...etc And we have several more going to California/Washington/Florida/and 2 more to Utah. Utah wins the prize this year. Soon we will have 5 new model M_boats in Utah. We've had record heat wave this summer, many days the temps were 105, 107 etc. Because of this we have hired additional laminators who have helped get production going on those days we have to shut down laminating when the temps are high. Also the little M Dinghys are hot this year. We're doing several of the rowing dinghy (6-8) and we're installing a 'Walker Bay" sailing rig, the GAFF one as shown in this URL: http://www.walkerbay.com/sail_kits/8_recreation.php for a customer here in Long Beach, Ca. I enjoy customizing boats and the M_6-8 with this gaff rig should be salty. Speaking of Customizing......were almost finished with a new M_15 with a BLACK hull, WHITE deck. Pictures to follow on Bill's photo site.! http://www.msog.funtigo.com/?cr=1&rfm=y Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Robert Eeg bobeeg(a)earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless

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Montgomery 17 at the Annapolis Boatshow/NEWS
by Robert Eeg 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

Hi....finally got my new computer working...... For those who wanted a first hand look at a new Montgomery 17 we will have one on display during the Annapolis Sailboat Show. (dry land space 69B) The show runs from October 6 the 10th. I've already heard from many who will stop by and say hello and I look forward to meeting some M_boat owners. Also, Walt Wood who owns a sailing school in Annapolis, will be working at the Montgomery boats display. The boat on display is Walts new boat and for anyone who wants to test sail or view a new Montgomery 17, Walt can arrange it. Walt can also check out people on the M_17 as well as teach them how to sail. This is a great opportunity for East coast sailors/buyers who would like to see and sail a boat first hand. This boat has the Idasailor Rudder and has the Marelon Shut off valves for the cockpit drains. (2). Come and take a look. Check out Walt's website: http://www.sailchesbay.com/pages/2/index.htm This has been a record year for us. We have been building and shipping boats non-stop. Shipping two at a time to the East coast. (a double load is much less expensive). Boats have been shipped/delivered, several at a time, to California,/Utah/New York/Florida/Alaska/Colorado/New Hampshire/ Maryland/Maine/Arizona/...etc And we have several more going to California/Washington/Florida/and 2 more to Utah. Utah wins the prize this year. Soon we will have 5 new model M_boats in Utah. We've had record heat wave this summer, many days the temps were 105, 107 etc. Because of this we have hired additional laminators who have helped get production going on those days we have to shut down laminating when the temps are high. Also the little M Dinghys are hot this year. We're doing several of the rowing dinghy (6-8) and we're installing a 'Walker Bay" sailing rig, the GAFF one as shown in this URL: http://www.walkerbay.com/sail_kits/8_recreation.php for a customer here in Long Beach, Ca. I enjoy customizing boats and the M_6-8 with this gaff rig should be salty. Speaking of Customizing......were almost finished with a new M_15 with a BLACK hull, WHITE deck. Pictures to follow on Bill's photo site.! http://www.msog.funtigo.com/?cr=1&rfm=y Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Robert Eeg bobeeg(a)earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

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RE: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level
by Shawn Boles 28 Aug '05

28 Aug '05

Hi: This is the set up on Grey Mist. Works well. cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig F. Honshell Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:38 PM To: Rik Sandberg; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Could swear I've also heard it done on a M17, and have even seen the pics ... But perhaps I dreamt it ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Craig, Can't say about an M-17, but Yep, that's how the drains are set up on our Flicka. Starboard drains to the port seacock and port drains to starboard. Works very well. Rik -----Original Message----- From: "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Sent: Aug 27, 2005 2:45 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Didn't someone reverse his drain hoses, so that when heeled to starboard, the submerged starboard exit was connected to the port cockpit entrance, and vise versa, therefore, because the water had further to travel in order to "back up into the cockpit", his cockpit remained dry? I always thought this was a novel solution ... The positive shutoff could be risky, couldn't it, if the cockpit were swamped by a rogue wave? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Hi Steve I think your problem is a common one. When I started building the new models, I installed a Whale 1.5 inch check valve inline with the cockpit drains (2). I carried through the fuel tank locker with the hose and check valve. This keeps the locker dry instead of wet. Even with this setup a loaded boat will sometimes 'squat' and allow a little water to back-flow slowly thru the check valve. Bob Campbell on Alina installed some rubber balls that he shoved into the thru hulls when he had several crew on board. What I am doing on some recent boats is offering a positive shut off feature that allows you to open the locker and simply shut the drain off. We just shipped a boat to Annapolis Maryland for Walt Wood to use in his sailing school. He will be having groups on board for sailing lessons and we decided to install these valves on his boat. That boat will be on display during the Annapolis Boat Show, October 6 thru 11 so if anyone wants to see how I did it, please stop by and take a look at say hello. For your information Steve the parts (not counting hose and hose clamps) needed are from West Marine and are: Forespar Marelon 1.5 inch ball valves part number 112425 (2 per boat) then you will need the tailpieces (4 per boat) part number 130229. Go to westmarine.com and take a look at them. Good luck and fair winds. Call me if you need help with anything! I will post Walt's sailing school URL later. He has agreed to show his boat and arrangements can be made for sailing this new Montgomery 17 in Annapolis. Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Steve Shenkel wrote: >On my first sail I noticed that the water level in the cockpit drain was >about 1-1.5" below the cockpit sole while at rest or sailing flat. When I >motored at near hull speed, the aft end of the boat squatted down somewhat >and water came up on the back foot of the cockpit sole. At this point, I >have very little "stuff" on the boat; No battery, no water storage, and etc. >The only weighty items are the outboard, gas, and the anchors (which I have >stored forward now). When I was out swimming, I noticed that the boat sat >on her lines fairly parallel to the water with the bottom of the waterline >about an inch above the water. Is this what to normally expect in terms of >water level in the drain and when motoring? > > > >I remember reading in the SCA M17 review that some have plugged the cockpit >drain when sailing with several crew. Is this true? Also has anyone found >a check valve that might work in this application? > > > >Steve Shenkel > >M17 (unnamed) > >Arizona > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level
by Rik Sandberg 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

Craig, Can't say about an M-17, but Yep, that's how the drains are set up on our Flicka. Starboard drains to the port seacock and port drains to starboard. Works very well. Rik -----Original Message----- From: "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Sent: Aug 27, 2005 2:45 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Didn't someone reverse his drain hoses, so that when heeled to starboard, the submerged starboard exit was connected to the port cockpit entrance, and vise versa, therefore, because the water had further to travel in order to "back up into the cockpit", his cockpit remained dry? I always thought this was a novel solution ... The positive shutoff could be risky, couldn't it, if the cockpit were swamped by a rogue wave? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Hi Steve I think your problem is a common one. When I started building the new models, I installed a Whale 1.5 inch check valve inline with the cockpit drains (2). I carried through the fuel tank locker with the hose and check valve. This keeps the locker dry instead of wet. Even with this setup a loaded boat will sometimes 'squat' and allow a little water to back-flow slowly thru the check valve. Bob Campbell on Alina installed some rubber balls that he shoved into the thru hulls when he had several crew on board. What I am doing on some recent boats is offering a positive shut off feature that allows you to open the locker and simply shut the drain off. We just shipped a boat to Annapolis Maryland for Walt Wood to use in his sailing school. He will be having groups on board for sailing lessons and we decided to install these valves on his boat. That boat will be on display during the Annapolis Boat Show, October 6 thru 11 so if anyone wants to see how I did it, please stop by and take a look at say hello. For your information Steve the parts (not counting hose and hose clamps) needed are from West Marine and are: Forespar Marelon 1.5 inch ball valves part number 112425 (2 per boat) then you will need the tailpieces (4 per boat) part number 130229. Go to westmarine.com and take a look at them. Good luck and fair winds. Call me if you need help with anything! I will post Walt's sailing school URL later. He has agreed to show his boat and arrangements can be made for sailing this new Montgomery 17 in Annapolis. Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Steve Shenkel wrote: >On my first sail I noticed that the water level in the cockpit drain was >about 1-1.5" below the cockpit sole while at rest or sailing flat. When I >motored at near hull speed, the aft end of the boat squatted down somewhat >and water came up on the back foot of the cockpit sole. At this point, I >have very little "stuff" on the boat; No battery, no water storage, and etc. >The only weighty items are the outboard, gas, and the anchors (which I have >stored forward now). When I was out swimming, I noticed that the boat sat >on her lines fairly parallel to the water with the bottom of the waterline >about an inch above the water. Is this what to normally expect in terms of >water level in the drain and when motoring? > > > >I remember reading in the SCA M17 review that some have plugged the cockpit >drain when sailing with several crew. Is this true? Also has anyone found >a check valve that might work in this application? > > > >Steve Shenkel > >M17 (unnamed) > >Arizona > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Busca's NEW Cushions
by Hughston, Larry 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

Great Job, thanks for images. ---L. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of htmills(a)bright.net Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:21 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: M_Boats: Busca's NEW Cushions I'm pretty pleased with how Busca's new cushions have turned out. The extra inch of thickness should make for some GOOD sleeping, as between that and the fact that the foam is 18 yrs newer I no longer bottom out. Jerry must've used the GOOD Quality foam for them to last that long. And the covers were just BEGINNING to show wear (probably mostly because of 80# dog toenails!). Here are some pics of the new cushions: http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaCabinFwd.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaCabinPort.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaCabinStbd.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaQBerth.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaQBerthStowage.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaOverhead.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaPanel.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaGalley.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaLaZboy.jpg The only downside is that BuscaBrisas and Seas The Day no longer have MATCHING cushions. Tod Mills M17 #408 BuscaBrisas _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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M17 Cockpit drain and water level
by Steve Shenkel 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

On my first sail I noticed that the water level in the cockpit drain was about 1-1.5" below the cockpit sole while at rest or sailing flat. When I motored at near hull speed, the aft end of the boat squatted down somewhat and water came up on the back foot of the cockpit sole. At this point, I have very little "stuff" on the boat; No battery, no water storage, and etc. The only weighty items are the outboard, gas, and the anchors (which I have stored forward now). When I was out swimming, I noticed that the boat sat on her lines fairly parallel to the water with the bottom of the waterline about an inch above the water. Is this what to normally expect in terms of water level in the drain and when motoring? I remember reading in the SCA M17 review that some have plugged the cockpit drain when sailing with several crew. Is this true? Also has anyone found a check valve that might work in this application? Steve Shenkel M17 (unnamed) Arizona

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Jib bow connection for M15
by Norm Bundek 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

I've installed a new mast and rigging on my M15. The performance has been increased substantially. The old shortened mast had it's jib attached to the bow with a short forestay and a large turnbuckle. Jerry sent me the correct rigging for an M15 (the old port and starboard shrouds were of different lengths also). I'm slowly getting my M15 into proper specs. My next improvement is with the jib connection to the bow. I have a stainless steel anchor roller on the bow. Jerry's longer forestay eliminates the need for the large turnbuckle. The anchor roller has three holes for attachments. The difference between the forward and aft hole location is about 2" in length. I want to get the optimum angle on the forestay. Should the jib be attached to the most forward hole or closest to the cabin? Any suggestions would be appreciated as always. Norm M15 #172

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M-15 Brochure
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

M-15 Brochure is now available for download at the Photo Site... http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=279125&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1 Special thanks to Steve Shenkel, M-17 #269 of Arizona for this brochure.

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