November 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Using a sling hoist...
by Brian Gilbert 04 Nov '05

04 Nov '05

That's a GREAT idea... a bargain, too. Here in Tennessee, where sailboats are strange and mysterious creatures, the one travelift operator wanted $300 to lift my boat for removal and reinstallation. That's a big reason why I'm doing it myself. Best BG -- Brian Gilbert Marine Media M17 "Tiny Dancer" (ex "Stargazer") (423)876-9990 3404 Hartford Drive Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com on 11/3/05 7:23 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com at montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > If you could find a sling hoist in your neighborhood, I'd see if I > could convince them to raise your boat long enough to extract your > board. I would think you could leverage it out with a crowbar. In my > area (washington) there's a hoist at our local marina. Costs $25 bucks > to launch. If they weren't busy, I'm sure I could convince them to give > me 10 minutes to get the board out.

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FW: M_Boats: Centerboard treatment
by htmills＠bright.net 04 Nov '05

04 Nov '05

Did I read that right? An owner's manual? I don't recall anyone else ever mentioning possession of an owner's manual. This is something that would be great to have downloadable from the MSOG site. Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hauser Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:46 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Centerboard treatment Bob: Thanks for the advise. I will check it this Saturday and see if there is swelling. Since my hull is from 1981, it is probably full of lead shot. That's what the owner's manual says anyway. Thanks again. Tom Kestrel #145 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Centerboard treatment
by thauser＠att.net 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Nope, no one mentioned the placement of the knot. Although I have not seen the cb down, I assume the lanyard is affixed towards the leading edge of the cb or near the aft end if cb is up. Several have mentioned that the boat can be sailed safely with the cb up? Do you agree? The former owner had a 100 # lead ingot under the cockpit deck. It was laying on the small crevice just behind the lower end of the cb and right next to the lanyard as it goes down from the deck to the cb cavity. I removed the lead the first time I sailed (only to find out cb would not drop). The lead has nothing to do with the cb. I think the former owner used it for additional ballast because she sailed out of Monterey Bay, California. I do appreciate your information. Since first heavy snow is due here tonight, sailing will probably cease for a few months. Thanks again. Tom

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RE: M_Boats: Centerboard treatment
by Tom Smith 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

I believe ideally the keel roller takes some of the load. Several sailors have built guides of pvc to help with alignment when loading. Bill's photo site has some pictures. I'll bet someone has mentioned this, but for the sake of redundancy, make sure the cb lanyard has a support knot tied in the proper place after you've solved your problem. The knot supports the aft end of the cb and keeps it from beating itself to death while deployed. The cast iron M17 cb (pre-1988 if Randy's research is correct) weighs in at around 180 lbs. The M15 cb is 40 to 50, as are the post-1988 M17s, which share the identical cb. /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: Centerboard treatment
by thauser＠att.net 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Hello, Folks: I don't know if my emails are getting to the interested parties. I recently purchased Kestrel, an M-15 #145 (circa 1981), in Monterey, CA. and brought her to Park City, UT. She has spent all her life in salt water and has been dry-docked for the past 5 years. Anyway, the keel won't drop. We sail in fresh water and I was hoping one or two days would flush the cavity out. I have tried pressure spray, WD-40, and selected nautical language, but it won't budge. It could be "cemented" into the cavity by the salt water and the pressue from sitting on the trailer roller for 5 years. Can't find a sailboat repair shop locally to raise her up and off the trailer. If I can jack the boat a couple of inches off the trailer, I may be able to run a small cable up and over the top of the keel from underneath. I have looked at the photos on the Monty website. I can't find out if the keel is fiberglass filled with lead shot or if it is some other material. I can see the pivot where the pin was once removed and replaced, then the hole was patched over. Any suggestions would be appreciated, especially some way to free it without removing it completely from the keel cavity. Thank you all. Tom Hauser thauser(a)utah.gov or thauser(a)att.net

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Re: M_Boats: Molding 101
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

"sculpy" modeling clay may be an inexpensive solution. The great thing about it is that you "fire" it by baking in a kitchen oven. Try finding it at a hobby store or art supply. Steve Tyee In a message dated 11/2/2005 10:23:40 PM Central Standard Time, BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com writes: Hi All, Along time ago in a place far away, I messed about with molds as mentioned in my thank you to Tod. As a result of the reminder I punched up Silicone Rubber Mold kits and came across lots of info. Check out... http://www.jgreer.com/mold_making_101.htm and go down the page to see the MOLD RELEASE section. I'm wondering if it would be possible and feasible to use the RTV solution to duplicate the pattern of a non skid deck. And, when I messed with this stuff it was very spendy. Looks like lots of technology. Price has been reduced substantially. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Replying to Tom Hauser
by thauser＠att.net 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Good morning. Thanks for the info. Its amazing how many responses I received the last two days to my "distress call". We live in Park City and I work for the State. We had a traditional wooden boat for 10 years - a Swampscott sailing dory, which I bought in Seattle. Sold it this summer and just happen to find the 15 when I was searching for pocket cruisers. Found Kestrel on the MSOG web and bought her in Monterey in July. Have sailed in Jordanelle so far. Have a lot of minor cosmetic work to do this winter. Had to get an extension on the trailer tongue just to launch it in Jordanelle because their ramp is low-angled. Anyway, have been out about 6 times on shake-down runs and each one gets better. Have gotten some good ideas on unsticking the keel. Apparently the boat will sail OK without dropping it. Will have the winter to work on it. I will contact Dave if I can't. I plan to sail in the GSL. I understand most is very shallow so I need to get a chart. Do you launch from the marina or the park off I-15 north of Ogden? Have you sailed in Utah Lake? I understand there are one or two new M's recently purchased from the factory and they were shipped to this area. Maybe we can get a group together. Thanks again.

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Replying to Tom Hauser
by Seawitch 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Tom, I found Dave Shearer at Sidsports in Salt Lake City who works on sailboats. He installed the boarding ladder on my M15 after I moved to this area. Perhaps he can help with your centerboard problem. Have you sailed in the Great Salt Lake yet? What fresh water lakes have you taken your M15 to? Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617)

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Molding 101
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Hi All, Along time ago in a place far away, I messed about with molds as mentioned in my thank you to Tod. As a result of the reminder I punched up Silicone Rubber Mold kits and came across lots of info. Check out... http://www.jgreer.com/mold_making_101.htm and go down the page to see the MOLD RELEASE section. I'm wondering if it would be possible and feasible to use the RTV solution to duplicate the pattern of a non skid deck. And, when I messed with this stuff it was very spendy. Looks like lots of technology. Price has been reduced substantially. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Non Skid Pattern
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

In a message dated 11/2/2005 7:23:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, htmills(a)bright.net writes: http://www.dickblick.com/zz335/08/ Thanks Tod for the link. I used to use a Silicone rubber based mold kit to create a lead sinker we used at one point. The kit for the heat resistant silicone was cost prohibitive for normal projects. I like the kits on this site, very reasonable for way to much material though. However, it may prove useful for future projects. Thanks, Bill

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