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Sail Source Needed
by Wudnboatlovr＠aol.com 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

Hi All: I need to replace the main on my M-17 and would appreciate any suggestions as to who makes a good crusing sale. Thanks, Leif Eriksson

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Re: M_Boats: M17 Info request (folding boarding platform)
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

In a message dated 11/17/2005 11:39:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, slsail(a)cox.net writes: Do you have an e-mail where I can send some additional pictures off line? Steve Hi Steve, As Tom suggested... I'd love to see pictures of ladder alternatives for the Photo Site. For the time being, you could Email them to a friends who has DSL mk_baldwin(a)msn.com However, sorry to say I'm not updateing the Funtigo site. I'm still working (learning) to get the new PhotoSite up and published by Christmas. So, send the pics. But please excuse that you wont see them online for a while. And Just to let everyone know, the new site is looking very good. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Sail Source Needed
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

I recently ordered and bought a 150 genoa from Elliot Peterson, to fit my new MCI roller furling. Somewhat pricey but it turned out great. I'm totally satisfied. Soon I will replace the main and have them do it. Bill K M-17 Half Monty (#55)

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RE: M_Boats: Re: Pirahna Max 15 installation
by Mark Paxson 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Thank you Tod & Connie. A protrusion vulnerable to getting hit is a concern I didn't think of. This forum is a great thing. Mark A. Paxson -----Original Message----- From: chbenneck(a)juno.com [mailto:chbenneck@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:41 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Pirahna Max 15 installation Hi Mark, No question is taboo. However, let me go back to "BOAT 101 - Basics". That course teaches you that the prime purpose of a hull is to separate you from the outside water, that wants to come up and grab you from below. Remember, the boat is just a hole in the water, and the water always wants to get back to a level surface, outside the boat, or inside, it really doesn't care which. The deck, cockpit, companionway bridge deck, companionway sliding hatch and the hatch boards, are all designed to keep water out of the inside of the boat. As long as water can't get inside and fill it up, the boat continues to float, and keeps your nose above water level. Therefore any holes drilled into the hull below the waterline, are looked at with deep suspicion by sailors. They are just waiting to trap you when you can least use the accident (Murphy's Law No. 1 Every Accident will Happen at the Most Inopportune Time Possible) The Pardey's are the extreme example of trying to minimize this potential accident exposure. They have no motor in their Bristol Channel cutter, so there is no propeller shaft and stuffing box to worry about; and I believe that they don't have a single through hull fitting on their boat. If you look in the WEST catalog, you will find them selling soft wooden taper plugs to be tied to through hull fittings so that in the event there is a through hull failure of any kind, the taper plug can be hammered into the hole to stop the flow of water into the inside of the hull. Your thought of putting the transducer on the outside of the hull and leading the transducer wire through a small hole through the hull sounds fine, but, ...... What would happen if, while sailing, the boat hits some stray piece of debris that then slides along the hull and shears off the transducer tearing the wire off as well? You have pulled the stopper out of the bottle, and depending on the size of your hole, the outside water will rapidly and happily find a new home, inside your floating home. Happiness to a sailor is as few through hull fittings or holes in the hull, as is humanly possible to achieve. Hal Roth and his wife Margaret, if I remember correctly got it down to 2: the sink / head drain, and the propeller shaft. Unless you want to reach the maximum achievable depths of your depth finder, my choice would be to mount it inside the hull using PlayDough, and retain maximum hull integrity. It becomes one less item that you have to worry about. Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Pirahna Max 15 installation
by chbenneck＠juno.com 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi Mark, No question is taboo. However, let me go back to "BOAT 101 - Basics". That course teaches you that the prime purpose of a hull is to separate you from the outside water, that wants to come up and grab you from below. Remember, the boat is just a hole in the water, and the water always wants to get back to a level surface, outside the boat, or inside, it really doesn't care which. The deck, cockpit, companionway bridge deck, companionway sliding hatch and the hatch boards, are all designed to keep water out of the inside of the boat. As long as water can't get inside and fill it up, the boat continues to float, and keeps your nose above water level. Therefore any holes drilled into the hull below the waterline, are looked at with deep suspicion by sailors. They are just waiting to trap you when you can least use the accident (Murphy's Law No. 1 Every Accident will Happen at the Most Inopportune Time Possible) The Pardey's are the extreme example of trying to minimize this potential accident exposure. They have no motor in their Bristol Channel cutter, so there is no propeller shaft and stuffing box to worry about; and I believe that they don't have a single through hull fitting on their boat. If you look in the WEST catalog, you will find them selling soft wooden taper plugs to be tied to through hull fittings so that in the event there is a through hull failure of any kind, the taper plug can be hammered into the hole to stop the flow of water into the inside of the hull. Your thought of putting the transducer on the outside of the hull and leading the transducer wire through a small hole through the hull sounds fine, but, ...... What would happen if, while sailing, the boat hits some stray piece of debris that then slides along the hull and shears off the transducer tearing the wire off as well? You have pulled the stopper out of the bottle, and depending on the size of your hole, the outside water will rapidly and happily find a new home, inside your floating home. Happiness to a sailor is as few through hull fittings or holes in the hull, as is humanly possible to achieve. Hal Roth and his wife Margaret, if I remember correctly got it down to 2: the sink / head drain, and the propeller shaft. Unless you want to reach the maximum achievable depths of your depth finder, my choice would be to mount it inside the hull using PlayDough, and retain maximum hull integrity. It becomes one less item that you have to worry about. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: M17 Info request (folding boarding platform)
by Tom Smith 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Steve, if you have more pics, why not give them to Bill to post? I think I like this idea better than just a straight ladder, and I'm contemplating options for installing something for next summer. t /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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Sails
by Robert Eeg 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Leif Get them from the source. Here is the place that makes all the factory sails. http://www.epsails.com/ They take credit cards and will ship UPS. Call and ask for Harry. Fair winds Bob www.montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227 Robert Eeg bobeeg(a)earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

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Re: M_Boats: Sail Source Needed
by JazzYachts＠aol.com 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

I would recommend Douglas Fowler, a small boat specialist. Makes beautiful sails. Go ahead and order a new jib while you're at it. (I have no affiliation with Fowler.) The large sailmaking operations are irritated by orders for small boat sails, unless you're ordering 25 of them. Douglas Fowler Sailmaker -- Ithaca, NY, USA. Phone: 607-277-0041 Cheers, John

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M17 Info request
by Steve Shenkel 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Thanks to all who replied. I had some medical down time and was gathering some information for some upcoming projects. The down time has also given me the opportunity to get my web site up and running: Steve's Sailing Pages <http://members.cox.net/slsail> . Several of the pictures are some that Bill was kind enough to post on the MSOG site. Additionally, I have other pictures of former boats and the condition of M17 #263 when I first looked at it. Steve Shenkel M17 #263 Glendale, AZ

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RE: Rigging Time for M-15
by John L. Gonzalez 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi, Chris. I have a new M-15, and through my use of all available time-saving techniques known to me -- keeping the main on the boom, keeping the motor on the mount (okay per Bob Eeg, the builder), keeping the main and jib halyards rigged, etc. -- I've rigged my boat in less than 15 minutes, at times. I try to hustle, and keep track of my time, and enjoy the challenge of rigging her quickly. Admittedly, I've messed up -- catching the side stays, rigging the mainsheet incorrectly -- and have had 25+ minute times, but I'm making fewer errors, now! Sincerely, John Bella (M-15, 628), La Jolla

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