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Re: M_Boats: Sail Source Needed
by Larry E Yake 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

Yes, Jerry, it was no doubt long past due. The old sail served well, though, holding it's shape all these years. I did have the eyelets replaced and the stress points reinforced a few years ago, and the stitching is still good, but the fabric has gotten weak and flimsy and likely to fail before much longer. Would you care to make any recommendations on what to order in a new mainsail? Sail fabric and weight, battens, roach, reefs, loose-footed?, slugs or boltrope?, etc. Thanks, Larry On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:17:02 -0800 "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> writes: > Reggie made some great sails, but i'm skeptical about any sails > lasting 30 > years! I start looking at them critically after a year. > > Reggie and his two brothers taught me a lot about sailing. > Incidentally, > Reggie is still in business making sails, I believe, and is > somewhere around > Morro Bay, CA. I intend to go look him up sometime. > > Jerry > jerrymontgomery.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry E Yake" <leyake(a)juno.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Source Needed > > > > I'm still using my old Reggie Armstrong main, Howard, and it's > almost 30 > > years old. It's at SailCare right now getting rejuvenated, but the > old > > sail still works great. Seems to be as fast as the other M17's I > sail > > with and the shape looks good. I suspect the original owner of the > boat > > didn't put much wear on it. > > > > I've thought about getting a new main just because of the age of > the > > sail, but I'm not convinced I would get an improvement in > performance, > > especially after your experience. > > > > Larry > > > > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:53:20 -0600 Howard Audsley > > <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> writes: > > > This may sound like heresy to some who have been around a while, > but > > > I'd > > > like to have an exact replica of the old Reggie Armstrong Sails > that > > > came > > > with the boat when it was new. Main and working jib. I managed > to > > > get the > > > boat up to 6 knots on a beat once with those old blown out > sails. It > > > did > > > fine for the first 3 or 4 years I had the boat until the > mainsail > > > ripped. I > > > was told they were not even fit to be drop cloths, but I still > have > > > them. > > > > > > I replaced the main with a flatter cut, full batten sail, with > more > > > roach > > > and a high aspect 110% jib than runs all the way to the masthead. > I > > > don't > > > think I get as much speed out of the new sails and the boat > heels > > > more. > > > > > > But lacking some miracle comeback from Old Reggie, my genny > came > > > from EP and > > > it's a good sail. As Bob says, they make sails for him and know > what > > > they > > > are doing. They get my vote too. > > > > > > If you are in an area with the potential for high wind, get two > > > reefs. > > > Deeply reefed, she can stand a lot. > > > > > > Howard > > > > > > On 11/17/05 8:04 AM, "Woodsybill(a)aol.com" <Woodsybill(a)aol.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I recently ordered and bought a 150 genoa from Elliot > Peterson, to > > > fit my new > > > > MCI roller furling. Somewhat pricey but it turned out great. > I'm > > > totally > > > > satisfied. Soon I will replace the main and have them do it. > > > > > > > > Bill K M-17 Half Monty (#55) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: Old style M23 Question
by bownez＠juno.com 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

Hi Rick, Got some pics to share with the fellow M23er's on the list? Bones

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Re: M_Boats: Old style M23 Question
by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

Thanks for the info....interesting the #'s are unconnected to production run. Take care...Rick

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Re: M_Boats: Old style M23 Question
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

HI Rick, Jerry told "just under 20" M23's were built. Mine is a 1979 hull #75. Seems that serial numbers have nothing to do with number of boats constructed. I stongly encourage you and wish you the best in your restoration efforts, you will be rewarded many times over with fabulous sailing and the pleasure of owning a rare "cult" boat. Bones

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Old style M23 Question
by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

I have been the proud owner of a M15, a M17, and now I am "up to my eyeballs" with the restoration of MMP230170679. I understand that this imply's hull # 17. The question is...of how many? I have herd various numbers thrown around about the total number of these boats built. Most people quote the number 19, any one certain? Also, when was the last built? PS: If you see this Jerry M, you and your people did a magnificent job on this boat! A hard life followed. However, if the gods are with me this one will carry on as rare example of the fine design and construction of this boat. Shurly it will add and reputation of the people responsible for its creation. TX Rick

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by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

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Re: M_Boats: Sail Source Needed
by Larry E Yake 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

I'm still using my old Reggie Armstrong main, Howard, and it's almost 30 years old. It's at SailCare right now getting rejuvenated, but the old sail still works great. Seems to be as fast as the other M17's I sail with and the shape looks good. I suspect the original owner of the boat didn't put much wear on it. I've thought about getting a new main just because of the age of the sail, but I'm not convinced I would get an improvement in performance, especially after your experience. Larry On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:53:20 -0600 Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> writes: > This may sound like heresy to some who have been around a while, but > I'd > like to have an exact replica of the old Reggie Armstrong Sails that > came > with the boat when it was new. Main and working jib. I managed to > get the > boat up to 6 knots on a beat once with those old blown out sails. It > did > fine for the first 3 or 4 years I had the boat until the mainsail > ripped. I > was told they were not even fit to be drop cloths, but I still have > them. > > I replaced the main with a flatter cut, full batten sail, with more > roach > and a high aspect 110% jib than runs all the way to the masthead. I > don't > think I get as much speed out of the new sails and the boat heels > more. > > But lacking some miracle comeback from Old Reggie, my genny came > from EP and > it's a good sail. As Bob says, they make sails for him and know what > they > are doing. They get my vote too. > > If you are in an area with the potential for high wind, get two > reefs. > Deeply reefed, she can stand a lot. > > Howard > > On 11/17/05 8:04 AM, "Woodsybill(a)aol.com" <Woodsybill(a)aol.com> > wrote: > > > I recently ordered and bought a 150 genoa from Elliot Peterson, to > fit my new > > MCI roller furling. Somewhat pricey but it turned out great. I'm > totally > > satisfied. Soon I will replace the main and have them do it. > > > > Bill K M-17 Half Monty (#55) > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: Sail Source Needed
by Larry E Yake 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

Well, wouldn't you know it. As soon as I bragged up my old Reggie Armstrong sail.... I just got off the phone with SailCare and they recommended replacing the sail, rather than investing in repairing and re-resining the old one. They also make sails, so he's going to give me a bid for a new sail patterned after the old RA. I talked with him awhile about the various options that always come up when considering a new sail, such as more roach, full battens, boltrope or slugs, etc., and decided to stay with the original design. When I get his bid, I'll be glad to let anyone who's interested know his price. Larry > I'm still using my old Reggie Armstrong main, Howard, and it's > almost 30 > years old. It's at SailCare right now getting rejuvenated, but the > old > sail still works great. Seems to be as fast as the other M17's I > sail > with and the shape looks good. I suspect the original owner of the > boat > didn't put much wear on it. > > I've thought about getting a new main just because of the age of > the > sail, but I'm not convinced I would get an improvement in > performance, > especially after your experience. > > Larry > > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:53:20 -0600 Howard Audsley > <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> writes: > > This may sound like heresy to some who have been around a while, > but > > I'd like to have an exact replica of the old Reggie Armstrong > Sails > > that came with the boat when it was new. Main and working jib. I > > managed to get the boat up to 6 knots on a beat once with those > old > > blown out sails. It did fine for the first 3 or 4 years I had the > boat > > > until the mainsail ripped. I was told they were not even fit to be > > > drop cloths, but I still have them. > > > > I replaced the main with a flatter cut, full batten sail, with > more > > roach and a high aspect 110% jib than runs all the way to the > > masthead. I don't think I get as much speed out of the new sails > and > > the boat heels more. > > > > But lacking some miracle comeback from Old Reggie, my genny came > from > > EP and it's a good sail. As Bob says, they make sails for him and > know > > > what they are doing. They get my vote too. > > > > If you are in an area with the potential for high wind, get two > reefs. > > Deeply reefed, she can stand a lot. > > > > Howard > > > > On 11/17/05 8:04 AM, "Woodsybill(a)aol.com" <Woodsybill(a)aol.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I recently ordered and bought a 150 genoa from Elliot Peterson, > to > > fit my new > > > MCI roller furling. Somewhat pricey but it turned out great. > I'm > > totally > > > satisfied. Soon I will replace the main and have them do it. > > > > > > Bill K M-17 Half Monty (#55) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > >

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Thanks
by Seawitch 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

My thanks to all of you who responded to my query about using the trailer tongue extension. I shall use it I'm sure next summer. Well, the weather here is Utah has become quite cold and only the bravest would want to launch right now. I'm not quite ready to put Seawitch up for the year. Am taking off south for the upcoming week to Lake Mohave in Nevada, at the AZ and CA borders. Hopefully, it will be a good bit warmer and there will be some wind for sailing. Happy Thanksgiving to you all! Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617)

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RE: M_Boats: M17 Info request (folding boarding platform)
by Hughston, Larry 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

Steve, tell us more about the folding platform/ladder. More detailed photos would be great. How did you beef up your transom on the inside? Great idea. ----Larry #189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Steve Shenkel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:07 AM To: 'Wayne Yeargain'; 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: M17 Info request (folding boarding platform) The folding boarding platform consists of two major purchased components; the teak platform (approximately $60 and the folding 2 step ladder, approximately $100). The mounting brackets, hinge, adjustable cables, and backing plates were easily fabricated parts. Steve -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+slsail=cox.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+slsail=cox.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Yeargain Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:18 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Info request Hi Steve, Great web site and pictures, I enjoyed your account of the upgrades you have made. Mine is a similar old M17 #204. The ladder/platform seemed a particularly neat idea, can you tell me where you got it and how much. Thanks Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Shenkel" <slsail(a)cox.net> To: "Boats Montgomery" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:53 PM Subject: M_Boats: M17 Info request > Thanks to all who replied. I had some medical down time and was > gathering some information for some upcoming projects. The down time > has also given me the opportunity to get my web site up and running: > Steve's Sailing Pages <http://members.cox.net/slsail> . Several of the > pictures are some that Bill was kind enough to post on the MSOG site. > Additionally, I have other pictures of former boats and the condition of > M17 #263 when I first looked at it. > > Steve Shenkel > M17 #263 > Glendale, AZ > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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