April 2004 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: What an eye opener... (long boat test report)
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi Ron, The cabin is unbelievable! There is no mast compression post. The berth is I believe 8 foot long and at the widest about five foot. And there is no keel housing intruding and seperating the berth. The boat I test sailed handled like she was on rails. You cannot launch in a puddle, however the trailer has a 5' extension allowing launches in shallow areas. I can't say enough about this craft. Get a test sail and compare for yourself. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery admirer
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi Ron, I used to have P-15, sail number 2074 up until about three months ago. I sold her because she scared me a couple of time in our SF Bay. I posted a request to sail a M-15 hopeing the ballast and keel would make for a better boat. I wasn't dissapointed. I did not feel as if I were moveable ballast! I did a few tests to see how forgiveing the M-15 was and convinced myself the M-15 is a better craft. More stable, and points extremely close!. If you've read about the Potters that have Turtled, you'll understand my safety concerns. The obvious drawback when buying is that you'll pay a couple thousand more, wheather you purchase used or new.I'm saving up for the new one. The second drawback is the keel. You cannot drag a M-15 onto the beach. That didn't concern me as most of my sailing is from the docks. When in a lake, I'm not to concerned about getting my feet wet in a foot of water to get to shore. Then again I wouldn't subject my boat to beaching anyway. Figerglass and sand/rocks aren't very compatible. Try to get a ride on a M-15. You'll be amazed! Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Re: more on electric drive on M17--some caveats!
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi Howard, No never packed the microwave along... not a bad idea. I have a little Sharp Carosel that would do very well. I ought to try it on the generator to see if it works. I've been tempted to bring along a blender... just never done it yet. I day sail and camp on shore in the campgrounds. Mostly Nor-Cal lakes. Clean air, nice trout... excellent float tube fly fishing in Lewiston Lake, Trinity, etc. Bill

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What an eye opener... (long boat test report)
by PARALAX94＠aol.com 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi Bill, (I hope that is your first name--I'm making an assumption based on your email address). I read you March account of a sail on a Montgomery 15. I currently own and sail a WWP 15 as you mentioned that you did. I have been attracted to the M-15 because of the keel balast. I found your account of sailing the M-15 very interesting. You mentioned the cabin. Is there more room in the M-15 cabin then in the P-15? Ron P. WWP 15 Ogden, Utah

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Montgomery admirer
by PARALAX94＠aol.com 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi all! I currently sail a WWP 15, but have been interested in the Montgomery's. I'd like an M-17, but my budget would better afford the M-15. Have any of you had experience with the WWP 15, that could compare it to the M-15? One of the things that I find really attractive about the Montgomery's is the weighted keel. Thanks, Ron P. WWP 15 Ogden, Utah

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Re: M_Boats: Re: more on electric drive on M17--some caveats!
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Scott, Thanks for your information. I'm a bit weak in the battery power area and your post helped. I had been considering a solar charger but I dont think I'll bother. Since I usually end up miles from home in camp grounds without electrical, I purchased a Honda 1000 generator. It works perfect to power a charger or you can use the built in battery charger if you have lead acid type batteries. Another on the MSOG posted the same solution. For me the Honda generator is perfect. I especially like the advantage of the 110V plug ins for lighting or other apliances.

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Boom tents
by Larry Yake 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

There's a guy in the Northwest Potter group who has done some really excellent projects on his P19. One of them is a hoop style boom tent. Here is the link to the site and a copy of his post to the Potter list about the tent. Larry http://wwp19.home.comcast.net/cp6page.html I got the poles and clips from a small mail order outfit in Florida. Their website is at http://www.questoutfitters.com The clips were really hard to find, in spite of the fact that almost every small tent on the market uses some form of them. A word about the poles. They are made from 7075 aluminum, which is great for strength but awful for corrosion. They are anodized, but you'll still want to rinse them well after use in a saltwater environment. Shameless plug: I get my outdoor fabrics from my mothers shop in Corvallis, Oregon. It's called The Rain Shed and specializes in outdoor fabrics. No web catalog, but you can get contact information for a paper catalog at http://www.therainshed.com As far as handling the wind, so far so good. When at anchor with the bow into the wind and the front of the tent pulled down to the cabin top (it's designed for this) it seems to do pretty well. The strongest winds we've anchored in with the tent were about 15 knots. Not even close to a problem and there was no flapping noise. The worst case windage is at a dock with the beam into the wind. We havn't yet had such a situation, so I can only speculate. My experience with similar sized mountaineering tents is that if well anchored to the ground, they are fine in 30+ knots. Based on our experience, I can assure you that the tent will keep you dry, even in sustained rain/drizzle. Take the time to do a good seam sealing job. The tent really makes a difference on a small boat like the P-19. Go for it! Charlie

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Re: M_Boats: more on electric drive on M15
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Rik, We've had very good luck with a 42 amp Minn Kota trolling motor on our P-15. While lighter than your Monty, I think your boat may have less overall drag due to better hull shape. If trying to limp home on a windless day, I put ours on a setting of 2-3 (of 5, 5 being full power) which moves us in excess of 2 knots with two people on board. We have a tiny U-1 AGM battery which has never let us down. I suspect it would run 2-3 hours, no problem, on these light settings. BTW, it's absolutely excellent for motorsailing in puffy light air. Also very good at the dock! Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 4/17/2004 8:14:40 AM Central Standard Time, sanderico(a)earthlink.net writes: MC, I have been thinking about an electric for our M-15. We will probably only be using her on lakes and most of them aren't all that big. I would think if I could get a range of five miles or so, out of it, that should be plenty. I might need two batteries to do this, but I don't have a problem with that as they (their weight) would reside pretty much in the middle of the boat. What was the thrust rating of the motor you were testing?? The motor I am looking at is rated, 55 lbs thrust. I have a 4 hp 2 stroke to use if I need better range or for a situation with current. But the silence of the electric is appealing for use on the lakes we would normally be sailing on. Rik

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RE: Boom Tent [was M_Boats: good move]
by Shawn Boles 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

Tod: Great idea! Would you please post your sources for 'collapsible wands' and breathable fabric as you get into this? Anybody have any favorite places to get these materials? cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: htmills(a)bright.net [mailto:htmills@bright.net] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:10 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: good move NonSuch?.....wishbone cat rig ***************** Anyone have any slick design features I should include in a boom tent for Busca? I'm thinking a basic boom tent for use at anchor with a few collapsible wands and *maybe* zip-on mosquito netting..... Ideas? Thanks, Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Honshells Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:03 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: good move That's a good move, Dick. From an M23 to a NS26. That's the proper progression. That's keeping it in the Hess family. :-) NS' are fabulous boats. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lane" <rqlhgl(a)ieee.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: more on electric drive on M15 I have an old Minn Kota 12lbs thrust trolling motor that I used fly fishing on the Fall River in N.California for years. "Bones" sent me a small AGM battery that would be ideal for powering the motor, my only reservation though is that it is a fresh water motor with what appears to be a chrome plated leg and I wonder how long it might last in salt water and if there were any way to coat the vunerable parts. Dick ex M23 now NS26 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re. Bottom paint in fresh water
by david_hill＠idg.com 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

No need for bottom paint in cool fresh water. I keep my M17 on a mooring on Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire for the summer. About once a month I put on my snorkel and give the bottom a once-over with a Teflon pad to take off the thin film of algae. David Hill M17 "Grouper" ---------------------------------------- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:34:48 -0700 From: "Tom and Susan Wilkinson" <ttwilki(a)mindspring.com> Subject: M_Boats: bottom paint To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <003901c42688$6f56e530$26c9bb3f@DBQKGM3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is bottom paint necessary if I keep my boat in fresh cool water for about 5 months? Tom

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