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for serving up . . .
by Craig F. Honshell 20 Nov '04

20 Nov '04

. . . frosty mugs at the next Hess Fest, Tod . . . www.tote-a-keg.com

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Antonio Dias.....Boat designs
by Craig F. Honshell 20 Nov '04

20 Nov '04

Thanks Doug. Picked up that issue, thanks to John. It is a great article. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Kelch To: Craig F. Honshell ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Antonio Dias.....Boat designs Craig, The Nov/Dec issue of wooden boat has a review of the "Small". It was a very enjoyable article about how the design actually worked out for it's intended purpose. Thanks Doug --- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> wrote: Thanks, John, Rachel and Bob! Off by one letter, I could NOT find him with my Google searches. I thought the Small was cold mold, but prefer that it's apstrake. --Craig ----------------- http://www.diasdesign.com/

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Antonio Dias.....Boat designs
by Craig F. Honshell 20 Nov '04

20 Nov '04

Thanks, John, Rachel and Bob! Off by one letter, I could NOT find him with my Google searches. I thought the Small was cold mold, but prefer that it's apstrake. --Craig ----------------- http://www.diasdesign.com/

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M15 Halyard Cleats
by Rick Langer 20 Nov '04

20 Nov '04

I was just talking with Clint off list about mast pictures, really boring for the list, and I remembered how many times I said these cleats are just too small. I think the cleats on my mast are too small. Has anyone gone to a larger cleat? Rick Langer M15 #337

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Re: M_Boats: McKibbin Sails
by Frederick M Berthrong 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

RE New sails CORRECTION!!! My apologies .... The total cost was $390. Fred Berthrong M-17 #300 "Dulce" On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:06:53 -0800 Frederick M Berthrong <fthrong(a)juno.com> writes: > To all interested in new sails and like to do hands on things (and > are > cheap, like me), > > This is not a commercial. > > I just purchased a 160% Genoa from Sail Rite for the new CF2 roller > reefing/furling gear. With the help of Jud Preston who had done > this > before we sewed up the precisely cut pieces in about 6 hours; add to > that > about an hour to finish up the do-dads and there it is. ... a > beautiful > new Genny all in for $243 (which includes a bottle of fine 12 yr. > scotch > for Jud). The folks at Sail Rite (www.sailrite.com ) were very > helpful > and knowledgeable about the M-17 with a standard cut or able to > make > whatever adjustments to the actual measurements of luff, leach and > foot > that you want. My mast is a full 23' - 3" off the tabernacle so we > added > about a foot in luff and leach over the standard .... no additional > cost!. I was very impressed and what fun to sail under a hand made > rag. > They include everything you need except the sewing machine. Cloth > to > your specs (I chose the dacron Supercruise 4.4 oz at Sail Rites > recommendation for the type of sailing I will generally do here in > the > mountain West), dacron thread, clew, tack and head attachments to > your > specs and excellent instructions. I could not be more pleased and > the > sail makes a big difference in the way the boat responds whether in > tight > or off. > > My next will be the main. and then .... > > Fred Berthrong > M-17 #300 "Dulce" > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:02:03 -0500 "Craig F. Honshell" > <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> writes: > > > > I'm just relieved to find I'm not the only one still using mine . > . > > . :-) > > > > My originals do fine, but I'm sure I'd appreciate the improved > > performance of > > replacements . . . If I could afford them . . . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Saltm17(a)aol.com > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:42 PM > > Subject: McKibbin Sails > > > > I still use my McKibbin sails after 20 years, and it's true that > > virtually > > any sail that isn't torn will move a sailboat through the water, > but > > the > > difference that new, well cut sails can provide has to be felt to > be > > believed. The > > increased speed is amazing. I was nowhere near competitive with > my > > McKibbin > > sails and only picked up enough speed to be in the race when I > > purchased new > > ones. Also a new main will let you point much higher than an old > > > baggy one. > > And "baggy" is a relative word. My McKibbin main doesn't look > > baggy to the > > eye, but I can point higher and go much faster with the new > main. > > > > John Edwards > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: PS Orion
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Bill, Greg Hann has also cruised the Thistle, I believe he sailed it across the Chesapeake and cruised Eastern shore and he also did the Rappahanock River, in his youth he was very adventurous. Greg, please correct me if my memory has failed due to old age. Gary

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RE: M_Boats: PS Orion
by Morris, Giles 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

>I also agree she is a wonderful looking craft. Ah, the PS Orion! A friend has had one of those for ten years or so, and it's probably the boat I would most like to own. I've sailed with him many times, and as somebody mentioned it's not particularly fleet to weather (although it's never seemed _that_ bad!). There aren't many that I prefer to the Vancouver 25, but the Orion... The reason I heard that the Orion is no longer in production is that it's just too expensive to build -- PS could build a bigger boat for not much more money, but sell it for a lot more. Giles Morris

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Replacing an M15 Mast
by Comcast Mail 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

First, I'd like to congratulate all of you on your enthusiasm and love of the Montgomery boats. I've been eave-dropping on this forum for about 2 years. The boat's classic appearance and your obvious devotion to the boats caused me to go looking for one. And I found one. Unfortunately, during my first outing with her, I made a rookie mistake and lost the mast. I've purchased the necessary Dwyer replacement mast and parts, but I don't know how to assemble them. I would greatly appreciate it if someone would measure their late model M15 mast and send me the measurements. For example, how far up from the foot of the mast does the hound bolt go? Bob Eeg was very helpful putting me in touch with Dwyer and ensuring that I got the right parts. However, he has been difficult to catch in the shop so he can look up the measurements that I need and give them to me. Consequently, I have a mast and parts, and some vacation time coming, but no idea how to assemble the mast. If you would send me the measurements for the hardware on your mast, I'd happily create a drawing to post on the MSOG site for everyone's future use. Although, I hope you never need it. Losing a mast is a sickening experience. Thanks for you help, Clint M15, "Youngblood, #261, 1983

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RE: M_Boats: Replacing an M15 Mast
by RandyG 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Clint, Saw your post about your mast and your mention of Priest Lake, ID. Sorry about your mast. If you live in or around the N. Idaho - E. Washington area, there are several of us who own 198x M-15's in the area. You would be welcome to come by and take a look at one of our masts and see how things are setup. Randy Graves M-15 # 407 Post Falls, ID ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Comcast Mail Sent: Wed 11/17/2004 8:50 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Replacing an M15 Mast Connie, Thank you very much. This is great information and provides me with a pattern to get started. You mention using my old mast as a pattern, but I really mean I lost it. You should have seen me trying to explain I could lose a 19-foot piece of extruded aluminum. It vanished. It disappeared from the trailer on the way home from Priest Lake, ID and I could never find it. Thank you again for taking the time to answer my email. Clint M15, "Youngblood", #261, 1983 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+clint.hill=comcast.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+clint.hill=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of chbenneck(a)juno.com Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:44 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replacing an M15 Mast Hi Clint, Sorry to hear about your loosing a mast. That can ruin your day! It happened to me two years ago when an overzealous friend driving my car and towing the M15 out of the water after retrieving the boat, decided he was going to take boat and me on the deck, around the corner to his marina where I could lower the mast at leisure. The only problem was a big oak tree branch across the road; and if we had made it to the street - power lines! Maybe the oak branch was a blessing in disguise! Anyway, I too got a new mast from Dyer in North Branford and rebuilt my mast. First thing you need is a Pop Rivet tool for fastening the various cleats and eyes to the mast. To answer your direct question, here are the measurements I took off my original mast and transferred to the new one: ALL DIMENSIONS ARE MEASURED FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE MAST. Sail slide feed opening: from 32" to 38" Down haul jam cleat: (STBD) 17" to centerline of cleat Stainless Steel eye (P) 19" to center line of eye P / STBD (2) 3 1/2" cleats - see your current configuration Holes through bottom of mast: 1" up from bottom: 5/16" hole for bolt in mast base fitting Hole through mast: 172.5" - 1/4" hole for bolt that holds shrouds and forestay Fairleads Stainless Steel eye (P) at 42" center - main halyard Front side of mast: 166" center - eye with block - for jib halyard Forestay hole: front side of mast: 168.5" to 169.5" by 3/8" wide (chamfer the edges) Boom stop: rivet in track groove - 20" from bottom of mast. With your old mast as a pattern and these dimensions, you should now be able to rebuilt it. Good luck. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Replacing an M15 Mast
by chbenneck＠juno.com 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Hi Clint, Sorry to hear about your loosing a mast. That can ruin your day! It happened to me two years ago when an overzealous friend driving my car and towing the M15 out of the water after retrieving the boat, decided he was going to take boat and me on the deck, around the corner to his marina where I could lower the mast at leisure. The only problem was a big oak tree branch across the road; and if we had made it to the street - power lines! Maybe the oak branch was a blessing in disguise! Anyway, I too got a new mast from Dyer in North Branford and rebuilt my mast. First thing you need is a Pop Rivet tool for fastening the various cleats and eyes to the mast. To answer your direct question, here are the measurements I took off my original mast and transferred to the new one: ALL DIMENSIONS ARE MEASURED FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE MAST. Sail slide feed opening: from 32" to 38" Down haul jam cleat: (STBD) 17" to centerline of cleat Stainless Steel eye (P) 19" to center line of eye P / STBD (2) 3 1/2" cleats - see your current configuration Holes through bottom of mast: 1" up from bottom: 5/16" hole for bolt in mast base fitting Hole through mast: 172.5" - 1/4" hole for bolt that holds shrouds and forestay Fairleads Stainless Steel eye (P) at 42" center - main halyard Front side of mast: 166" center - eye with block - for jib halyard Forestay hole: front side of mast: 168.5" to 169.5" by 3/8" wide (chamfer the edges) Boom stop: rivet in track groove - 20" from bottom of mast. With your old mast as a pattern and these dimensions, you should now be able to rebuilt it. Good luck. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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