November 2004 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

RE: M_Boats: Hello from new-old M17 owner
by Shawn Boles 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Hi: And here is a message from #276. Check the cockpit drain hose (you mention cockpit scuppers - if you have those they were installed after the boat was manufactured - in the original configuration there is a single drain hole at the aft end of the cockpit which goes to a rubber hose that connects to an outlet located between the rudder and the aft end of the skeg) and the bow-eye. My guess is that she is taking water through the bow eye which is wending its way under the v berth. cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hello from new-old M17 owner Hello Max: So you have #277? I'm sailing #278.....and #279 is also on the list Looks like we have that era covered! Water is collecting under the V-berth? Not many places it could come from there except perhaps a knotmeter. Most of those have a thru hull hole, and only an O-ring to seal it. That's the only thru hull I have under the v-berth. There is also a hole for the galley drain under the galley......and if that was leaking, water could move forward to under the v-berth. And of course the eye. There is a false front at the front of the v-berth...between the liner and the hull. But nothing up there should be below the water line to leak. Do you have an access port in the forward part above the v-berth....so you can get at the bow eye nuts? Install a new one with backing plate perhaps? Hull deck joints leak on top of the v-berth. You would see that water and your cushions would be wet. If water is behind the bulkhead on your cabin floor, there is also the cockpit drain to consider, and perhaps the centerboard trunk. Not many other holes where it could come from. As for the transom, that doesn't sound good. If the cabin top has separated from the hull at the transom, and the plywood core has rotted out, I'd fear you are in for a major repair. The transom should not be hollow, except well below the level of the cockpit seats. The top half of the transom....around the motor cutout and where the chainplates bolt on, should be solid core plywood....I'd guess 3/4 inch. I can imagine how to do that repair, but it wouldn't be fun. Howard M17, #278 Audasea On 11/23/04 4:33 PM, "Max Dawson" <mmmdawson80(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello one and all! My name is Max, and I bought an M17 (hull#277) last year > site unseen from someone in Texas (I live in Knoxville, TN). I was very > happy to discover that the claims written on the MSOG site regarding this > boat's sailing ability are true. I sailed on lakes Sabine and Conroe during > my visit a few weeks ago, and was pleasantly surprised on both light and > heavy wind capability. I purused the archives for some issues that I am > experiencing, and so far have not come across answers, so if I am not being > too much a bother I will ask them here. > 1 - The boat is taking on a little water (around 3-5 gal. on an > overnighter), which is collecting under the vee berth area. The bow eye is > quite loose, but it appears to be around 12 inches up from the water line. > I thought it might have something to do with the scupper lines (they drain > very slowly), but if this is the case I would think the cabin sole proper > would be wet. Any ideas? > 2 - The transom is pushed in at the top some, and appears to be hollow - is > this correct? I am wondering about the best way to repair it. It is quite > sailable now, but I am concerned, since the top (at the separated area) also > has one of the gudgeons. I want to make sure the rudder is sufficiently > supported. > > I had sent a similar message on 11/19, but used another email address - and > the message was rejected on the list. Hope this one goes through OK. > Any personal emails may be sent to mdawson at utk.edu > Thanks max > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Oops!!
by William Sylvester 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Sorry Howard, got the month/year and hull number mixed up on the Vin# you are older than me. Bill Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig

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Re: M_Boats: Where is the best place for a internal fish finder transducer on M15?
by mike_matthews＠comcast.net 23 Nov '04

23 Nov '04

Why not use a stern mounted transducer? I would think it would be much easier to install. The only restriction that I know of is that they won't work with an inboard powered boat but that shouldn't be a problem with the M-15. If you mount an external transducer that isn't on the stern then you have to worry about where to put it so that it won't interfere with the trailer bunks/rollers. As far as brand goes, my brother has a Garmin combo GPS w/map and fish finder that he's had good luck with. I have a Garmin GPS w/map on one of my boats (no fish finder) and have not had any problems with it. Michael > Has anyone installed one? Since the keel starts more than mid way towards the > bow, will an internal transducer need part of the inner hull removed in order to > get a good signal? If your using an external transducer, any problems with > sailing or leakage? > > Any recommendations on brand with a GPS? > > Norm M25 #172 > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: I learned how to make links...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 23 Nov '04

23 Nov '04

Tod, Here's a question for you. What do I do to show the past post, when I answer a post? I know it's something to do with the Email settings but I can't find it. Any thoughts? Bill

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Where is the best place for a internal fish finder transducer on M15?
by nbundek 22 Nov '04

22 Nov '04

Has anyone installed one? Since the keel starts more than mid way towards the bow, will an internal transducer need part of the inner hull removed in order to get a good signal? If your using an external transducer, any problems with sailing or leakage? Any recommendations on brand with a GPS? Norm M25 #172

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Re: M_Boats: I learned how to make links...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 22 Nov '04

22 Nov '04

Thanks Tod... I will always think of you as a computer wizard. I usually bump along until I figure it out. I'm glad I asked you. I've printed the instructions. It'l have to wait. I've got a 6:00 AM start time for the morning. That's it for me today. Goodnight all Bill www.MSOG.funtigo.com

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Re: M_Boats: I learned how to make links...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 22 Nov '04

22 Nov '04

Hi Tod, I get confused as well. Cant keep all the orgs and coms and nets seperated. Sorry folks. I was refering to the photo site. I now have links up at the photo site. Quite an accomplishment for me at least... Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? Bill www.MSOG.funtigo.com

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I learned how to make links...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 22 Nov '04

22 Nov '04

Hi All, Playing with the MSOG Photo Site and I learned how to make links. You know, something that's underlined that if you click on it... it opens a new window. Anyway, all of the links on the site are now working... could they then be called Hot Links? Just thinking Bill www.MSOG.funtigo.org

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Re: M_Boats: Photos added to MSOG
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 22 Nov '04

22 Nov '04

Fred Thanks for correcting me. I've made the changes...Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 12
by Mowog＠aol.com 22 Nov '04

22 Nov '04

Your terminology is perfect. How about sending a copy of the brochure? Thanks Keith

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