September 2002 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Lyle C. Hess
by Bob 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

By the way. The correct date of Lyle's passing was July 12, 2002. Not this month and not July 18th. I had called Roger at the BCC list and told him it was July 12th. He posted the 18th by mistake. Lyle's death was kept secret by his daughter Linda.(from everybody) Eventually Lin and Larry Pardey found out and let the secret out. Fair winds Bob

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Wrong address
by Doug King 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

Sorry, gang. The post was supposed to go just to Connie, but I forgot to correct the address. Please ignore the post. I apologize to all and especially to you, Connie. Doug ------------------------------------------ Doug King M-17 #404 "Vixen" Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org Email: mailto:msog@msog.org

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Re: M_Boats: Long M17 Cruise ?
by Conbert H Benneck 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

Hi Smitty, I have become a very happy M15 owner, after first buying a Bolger MICRO - which was a ball - then had a ComPac16, and after determining it's shortcomings, I finally found, bought, and love my M15. Before I had a 29 footer which was a great boat for 4 people. Then I bought it's big brother, a 38 footer, but found that I got size and mass, but really not more "useable" boat than we had with the 29 footer - and by now my crew were out of the house. So we sold the 38 footer. We sold the 29 footer because of increasing congestion here in the New England harbor areas. It's wall to wall boat these days. No place for peace and quiet. That when I bought the MICRO, a great boat. Being a Bolger box, it has a cavernous space inside, for it's size; and deck space is big enough to sleep two more. The reason I had to sell the MICRO was the problem of stepping the mast. It is a 22 foot long, solid spruce, no stays, and you have to hold it almost vertically to get it into the mast step at the bow. I could carry the mast horizontally, but stepping it became a problem at my age. That led me to the ComPac16 - with aluminum mast and shrouds, but............ The ComPac16 had no useable storage space as befits a good sailboat. You had to cram everything under the cockpit seats on the berths, and then if you want to use the berth you have to pile all your "stuff" up in the cockpit so that the berths are useable. No way to run a railroad! That's when I heard about the Montgomery. Talked with owners on the website and finally after all the good words I heard, bought one sight-unseen. For me it's a great little vessel: has excellent sail lockers and storage - which every boat has to have - it sails well; and is light enough so that I tow it with my VW-GTI. ......and the cockpit seats are long enough so that you could sleep there, if you have a Bimini. With the number of M17s in your area, why not get together with an owner and go for a sail to try it out? That would give you answers to your questions. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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Remembering Lyle C. Hess
by Doug King 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

Lloyd Kelman, previous owner of my Vixen and since then my friend, sent me an article a couple of months ago on the life and times of Lyle C. Hess that appeared in WoodenBoat 15 years ago. Though there is only passing mention of the Montgomery 17 that Mr. Hess designed, it is a very interesting story, with three sidebar stories and some great photos, including SERAFFYN. Better read it while you can, I don't know how long I can keep it on the web site (don't ask). http://msog.org/yarns/lyle_hess_wb/wb-lylehess.htm A great tribute to a great man. And I do have a quick question. Vixen has no chafing protection where the pendant enters the CB trunk--it's just rubbing against the unfinished fiberglass edge of the hole. No chafing damage done yet, but it's a matter of time. I don't know what was there originally. A nylon bushing or grommet didn't stay given the pressure the pendant puts on the edge, so what about a smoothed epoxy buildup (outside and--yuck--inside) around the hole? Anybody have any successful experience with some other solution? Doug ------------------------------------------ Doug King M-17 #404 "Vixen" Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org Email: mailto:msog@msog.org

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RE: M_Boats: Bilge water -- was M17 Keel/Centerboard
by Shawn Boles 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

I also get water coming in through pendant hole when sailing hard in chop. cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: Dan White [mailto:danwhite@austin.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:56 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Bilge water -- was M17 Keel/Centerboard Todd, Is it at all possible that the water in the bilge is coming in through the pendant? I always collect a little water in the bilge and it is from busting waves. I can see little squirts come up through the hole in the trunk that the pendant feeds through, After a day's sail, I have to bail several gallons. Dan "htmills(a)bright.net" wrote: > Howard, > > Last year whilst crawling underneath Busca I noted a gap in a few spots between the > exterior hull and the fabrication that forms the centerboard trunk: > ___ ___ > | | | | > | | | | > |_| |_| > ^ > > I mixed up some epoxy with colloidal silica filler and putty-knifed it in as best I could. > I'm pretty sure that I have that sealed if indeed it was a source of ingress. > > For some reason, Busca isn't bone dry. A small amount of water collects in the bilge > and in the little valleys in the faux lapstrakes. This past trip was about half or less of > what I would normally have picked up and I think the difference was from re-doing the > bottom transom gudgeon. There were little watermarks below the three bolts and I'm > pretty sure I have that sealed up good now. I thought perhaps some of it could be coming > from the fresh-water porta-pot tank because it is vented, but this time I tilted the porta-pot > about 45* before putting it on the boat to drain off any water that would have leaked. Some > could have also been coming from my water jugs on prior trips, but not this time. That leaves > the through-hulls or maybe (?) the centerboard pinhole? The centerboard pin is a very > tight fit, but I am not sure if water could be leaking past it, either from inside the well or outside > to the inside of the keel. I don't know what is in there. I assume (perhaps Jerry could comment > on this) that there is at least a partial void between the hull and the cabin sole and that if water > could migrate up the keel through the ballast it could collect between the sole and the hull? > > I do have an extra through-hull for a speedo but I'm going to pull that and plug it. I'm running > out of ideas on where that water could be coming from. I haven't tasted it (seems like a good > opportunity to get sick) to see if it's saltwater or fresh. > > Tod Mills > M17 #408 > "BuscaBrisas"....................fiberglass/lead board, galley model > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: greetings
by Morris, Giles 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

>The only advantage I can think of is easier to trailer and launch I've sometimes wondered how much of a task it is to launch/rig/recover a 17. I've never timed myself, but suspect that it's around 30 minutes from starting to rig my 15 until I'm ready to sail away. The hardest part of that is heaving the engine around (which would be much easier if I remembered to use the 2HP Honda instead of the 5). I wonder, too, whether the 15 needs less water to launch -- I often find myself on pretty marginal ramps even with the trailer tongue extender. On the other hand, it must be really nice to have the extra room in the 17. I think of the M-15 as being backpacking on the water, but a whole lot more luxurious than kayak camping. Giles Morris

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Re: M_Boats: greetings
by Jamesinfocus＠aol.com 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

Well Guy, I would not necessarily recommend a fifteen over a seventeen. The only advantage I can think of is easier to trailer and launch. If you were to be out for a few days the more room in the seventeen would sure be an advantage. Same thing if you expect to be sailing with one or two people or three or four adults. Both boats are exceptionally sea worthy boats. I think they are the best. But think about your own personal situation, Where will you store the boat, will you use it primarily in one location or will you trailer for great distance? Again, good luck in your search and think about your own needs, Jim Morris

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Irv's Boat
by Maria Jorge 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

Does anyone know why Irv is selling his boat?

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Re: M_Boats: greetings
by Jamesinfocus＠aol.com 15 Sep '02

15 Sep '02

Hi Irv, I am selling the boat because my youngest son is starting college. He is my most frequent sailing partner. I am sixty-eight, wear trifocals, getting knee surgery next month and do not expect to sail much any more. My vision and physical agility are becoming limited. You don't need to be a jock to sail but you do need to see and to move in and around the boat to rig, trim sails tack, anchor etc. Sail while you can, Jim Morris

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Re: M_Boats: greetings
by Jamesinfocus＠aol.com 15 Sep '02

15 Sep '02

Hi Guy, I guess from your email address you might live in Oregon. I am right across the river in Vancouver Washington. I have a Montgomery 15 for sail. Give me a call at (360) 574 2748 if you want to talk about it or come and see it... I also have it listed in Montgomery owners web page. You have a good eye to recognized the beauty and toughness in the Montgomery's. They are the best deigned and best built small sailboats anywhere. Good luck in your search. Jim Morris

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