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RE: M_Boats: M17 Keel/Centerboard
by Morris, Giles 20 Sep '02

20 Sep '02

Unless there's something weird about them, replacing through-hull fittings is pretty easy (assuming the boat's out of the water!). My favorite book that covers this sort of stuff is This Old Boat by Don Casey. Giles Morris Arlington VA Vancouver 25 "Dolphin" Montgomery 15 "Umiaq" Sundry small craft -----Original Message----- From: wayne yeargain [mailto:wayne@ev1.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:54 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Keel/Centerboard Hi Mark Could you explain the details of replacing the thru hulls? I suspect mine are marginal, & don't know if this is a do it yourself job or not. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberta Dvorscak" <edarts93(a)earthlink.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: M17 Keel/Centerboard > Tod, > Grace used to collect some water in the bilge also. I wriggled > under the cockpit while she was in the water and inspected the > thru-hulls at the point at which the hoses attached. A little pressure > with my fingers quickly revealed that the thru hulls were corroded to > the point of failure (I was thankful that Grace has a bilge pump even > though the amount of water coming in was not that great). Another > symptom that she exhibited was the collection of rainwater in the bilge > after a heavy rain. After replacing the thru-hulls she has remained > bone-dry inside. > Mark Dvorscak > M17 #400 > Grace > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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M17 Keel/Centerboard
by Howard Audsley 20 Sep '02

20 Sep '02

Not sure what I had been drinking before a recent post, but a current inspection of the boat's keel confirms that the keel is in fact glass, and part of the original lay up of the boat. But I do notice that right above the interior opening for the CB trunk, the glass keel and trunk liner are separated in places, with small pockets up and down the seam, and hairline cracks....that looks like something that would allow water inside the keel cavity. Push on it in places and there is some visible movement. But since I'm not having trouble with a swollen keel now, and don't want to, the question is how to best cover up and seal these cracks? Water may already be in the interior cavity of the keel....so sealing it may seal water in. If you knew where the ballast was, one might be able to drill a small hole in the top and drip or pump in something like vegetable oil (protect iron from rust, but not matter if it leaked out into the water) in to displace the water. And last, but not least, how to seal the crack? I have all the epoxy products, and a polyester gel-like gap/crack sealer, but would not something like 3M 5200 smeared over the crack work just as well, if not better? Howard M17, #278

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Re: M_Boats: Annapolis Sailboat Show
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Tod & crew, The Annapolis show is 10/11 thru 10/14. I believe 10/11 is Thursday and that is VIP day at $25.00 a head. We are planing to go on Friday, its usally a good day not as crowed as the weekend and somewhat more crowed that thursday. So far Jerry and Debi will be attending along with myself. It would be nice to ge the M boaters together and spend the day at the show. the show hours are 10:00-7:00 onn friday. In the past we have had some good turnouts, Doug, Abby, John, Dennis, Bill if ur seeing this it would be nice to spend the day with you. Hopefully some of the old gang will show up and it would be great to see some new M boaters. I think Nick (former M23 owner) would attend and we might be able to get Greg to attend Hopefully I didnt leave omit any of the old hands, hope to see the crew at the show. Gary.

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Re: M_Boats: Annapolis Sailboat Show
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Al, Hopefully we will see u there too ! Gary

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Re: M_Boats: Annapolis Sailboat Show
by DDAYSTROM＠aol.com 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Link to web page. http://usboat.com/shows/sbhomes.htm -alw

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RE: M_Boats: Annapolis Sailboat Show
by Morris, Giles 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Starts Thursday October 10th, runs through the 14th. http://www.usboat.com/shows/sbshow.shtml -----Original Message----- From: Grove777(a)aol.com [mailto:Grove777@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:35 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Annapolis Sailboat Show when is the annaplis boat show??? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Annapolis Sailboat Show
by DDAYSTROM＠aol.com 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Sailboat show: Oct 10 - 14, 2002 Vip/Trade/Press - Oct 10th -al williams

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Re: M_Boats: Annapolis Sailboat Show
by Grove777＠aol.com 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

when is the annaplis boat show???

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Re: M_Boats: Electric system
by Harvey Wilson 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

Hi Jerry.. Got the pump...many thanks Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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RE: M_Boats: Re: Bilge water and trip preparations
by Thomas Howe 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

Tod, I was glad to hear that your cruise in Penobscot Bay was a success, I often think of trailering Osprey II up there and doing some longer sails with her. I sail those waters frequently, however, in a Pearson Ariel that I keep in Rockland. I have a mooring in the field off of Snow Marine Park, which is where I believe you put in. I also use a friend's Flicka which is moored in Center Harbor, he works for the Brooklin Boatyard. Those are some of the worlds best cruising grounds, and I'm glad that you had a chance to see them from the well found viewpoint of Busca Brisas' cockpit! The large boat traffic up the bay is usually direct up the west bay, and they don't dally. Headed to Winterport or Searsport, they can be pretty sizeable, and ther are coccasionally tugs with barges in tow, one needs to be aware of the length of their tow cables. I'll think about lobster on the dock at Cod End in Tenants Harbor tonight. Cheers, TH. --- Thomas Howe --- Real Estate questions? Here's Howe --- Your Link To Homes In Lawrence, Kansas --- Reece and Nichols. ACRES Realtors --- 785-550-1169 --- Thomas(a)TEHowe.com --- http://www.ThomasHoweOnline.com O --------(\----------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > [Original Message] > From: htmills(a)bright.net <htmills(a)bright.net> > To: Mboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: 12/31/1600 7:00:00 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Bilge water and trip preparations > > Dan, > > If I recall correctly, the earlier 17's have a centerboard winch just ins= > ide > the companionway? Mine is a newer one with the lighter board and > the pendant (thank you Howard) "tube" is glassed to the cockpit sole > and the pendant comes out in the cockpit like the 15's, so I don't think > any is coming in that way. > > I shall make it a point to re-do the traveller track before next spring, = > Ken. > I hadn't thought of that. I'm sure after 15 years of neglect it could = > stand > to be re-bedded. Thanks! > > > > I shall check the drains, Wayne. Thanks for the testing procedure. > > The amount of water on this trip was only about a couple of inches in the= > bilge > (not much) plus what laid in the lapstrakes. The main reason I'm concern= > ed > about it is that it gets things wet (cans leaving rust marks, can't easil= > y store > clothing below). Also, on a warm day the warmth and dampness shortens = > the > shelf-life of fresh food stored in the lockers. I suppose too, like Crai= > g suggested, > freezing water could damage the boat... > > ***************** > > Ron, > > Yes, it does offer variety...one can stay back up inside the bays and sai= > l in pretty > well-protected water or venture out further if so inclined. It isn't as = > hospitable > as the Chesapeake but is still very interesting. And the boats on the = > moorings > are so beautiful. Sailing through a mooring field there is like strollin= > g through an > art gallery. I never saw so much gleaming woodwork before, including > *wow* mahogany transoms with inlaid goldleaf lettering. > > I didn't do anything special as far as outfitting. I did bring along a = > small Sevylor > inflatable dinghy, but to be honest, it's getting pretty tedious inflatin= > g it and deflating > it at each stop. It won't tow or row well. Haven't tried strapping it = > onto the foredeck > yet but I imagine that would be pretty tight. Maybe I'll try that this = > weekend. > > Busca has now her main and four jibs: 155%, 109%, 80%, and a 15 sq ft = > storm jib. > My main dilemma was a lack of desire to climb up on the pitching foredeck= > when > > just a few minutes earlier I had been periodically airborne on the vee-be= > rth. I need to > get that figured out better. During the trip I used every sail. The win= > d while sailing > ranged from flat calm to a little over 25 kts. Tried out the storm jib = > and was pretty > well pleased with it. It might be a wee bit small....maybe 20 sq ft woul= > d be better. > > I did bring the outboard but only used about an eighth of a tank. Used = > it twice in > Rockland Harbor (launch site), once to motor through the mooring field = > at Brooklin > when there was not much wind and some current, and once at dusk when the = > wind > died a half-mile from my anchorage and the current was sweeping me away. > > No liferaft. Yes, singlehanded with pawed Bilbo as crew. To his credit = > he never > got seasick even while in a closed cabin (He prefers reclining on cushion= > s to sliding > and scraping on slippery gelcoat). Nothing special about the companionway= > other > than Busca was sporting new hatchboards of ash plywood with oak "battens"= > . > (the old hatchboard had some veneer damage and had been painted to cover = > the > repairs). > > I was surprised to see not one single ship beyond the Maine Maritime Acad= > emy's > "State of Maine" tied up in Castine [http://www.mma.edu/] Several small= > er commercial > boats (not counting the countless lobster boats) making runs to and from = > the islands, but no > ships. > > While rummaging around I got to thinking about storage issues and got = > the idea that it > would be nice if the space under the vee berth forward of the pot & batte= > ry had a couple > more access hatches and was subdivided into three smaller compartments = > with a T: > > /\ > / 0 \ > / ------\ > / 0 | 0 \ > / | \ > > It seems that whatever I pack up there ends up who knows where after bein= > g tossed and > tilted and shaken all day. With the moisture, I've been keeping mainly = > just the water > jugs up there. > > Another thought was some small storage compartments built on top of the = > seatback > between that top and the sidedecks. Those would be for little things lik= > e the salt and > pepper shakers, spare AA and D batteries, rolls of film and such. > > I doubt I'll ever go to the trouble of those two changes, but something = > I am planning on > adding are some small racks to the inside of the companionway bulkhead. = > But first I need > to finish the windvane. > > The Potter Yachters have added some of Bill Teplow's

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