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RE: [KLF] bring the beat back & unknown WTIL edit download
by John Milne 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

My god! Is this the busiest the list has been for a couple of years? Great to see. Firstly, thanks to Simon for upping the Evil Edit. The Shamen had a track called "Evil Edit" on Phorward, didn't they? Anyone know if there might be a connection? Might B&J have got someone else (the Beatmasters or whoever) in to remix WTIL as a potential commercial single, and then it was abandoned? Alternatively, is it maybe the version intended for inclusion on TWROST in 1989? Maybe there are other odd tracks lurking out there - for example, how many people could have guessed "Mommy Don't" existed until it actually appeared? Also, Megaupload. Well, I tried to download the WAV, and it told me the file was "temporarily unavailable". Oh, well, I'll just have to do with the mp3. :-) As far as the greatest hits, well, Simon, you flatter me with the suggestion I write the sleevenotes! I like the idea of aping "Shag Times" with its press cuttings. Also, if this is a follow-up to "Shag Times" (JAMSCD20, of course!) then sticking purely to the KLF era is far more (forgive me) justified! Maybe we could cheat a bit and include the Timelords and IGUN. The reason why I mentioned radio edits for everything was purely because (a) it makes more space, and (b) the single, the edit, was always what the KLF were most interested in, I think, Their pop period has to be defined by radio edits. Other, more experimental and unreleased eras, could be better served by long and rare mixes. Anyway, I must go to bed. I'll be at Celtic Connections in Glasgow later this week, so might not be e-mailing much. I'm getting very excited about this Greatest Hits project, though! :-) John > Message Received: Jan 16 2007, 03:08 PM > From: "Simon Glass" <tygerbc(a)yahoo.com> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: RE: [KLF] bring the beat back & unknown WTIL edit download > > > yeah i got that White Room CD too, wrongly thinking it would be an improvement on previous cassette versions. also 20 pounds as you said. perhaps some of the other tracks were harder to get back then but you are not missing much re, BTBB now, and i've just made the only interesting track available =) > > sorry for anyone having problems with megaupload, i simply copied the links it gave me but perhaps i missed something...don't use it very often > > tbc. > > Maarten Bouwes <bouwes(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Thanks for the tracklist! I've just downloaded the track and will let you know what I think. > > That other CD-R also came in a white card sleeve with a printed sticker saying: "KLF White Room s/track". Black innersleeve, no other info. It's in use now for storing my > Love Trance labels. The CDR costed me around 20 pounds. Still got some letters laying around from a guy named "Pete" from vinyl addiction > > Maarten > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:54:07 -0800 > From: tygerbc(a)yahoo.com > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: [KLF] bring the beat back & unknown WTIL edit download > > OK for Maarten and anyone else who is interested here is the tracklist for the 'Bring the Beat Back' CD-R bootleg > > I think this was *ahem* 'released' around 1997-98 and came on a blank blue cd-r in a card sleeve, printed sticker with the title and a nice little black inner sleeve but no other info/tracklist > > 1. WTIL (Power mix) > 2. WTIL (Primal remix) > 3. WTIL (Techno Slam mix) > 4. WTIL (Pure Trance mix) > 5. WTIL (Unknown edit - see below) > 6. WTIL (DMC or similar mix - see below) > 7. J&A (Anti-Accapella mix) > 8. 3AM Eternal (feat ENT) > 9. Madrugada Eterna (Club mix) > 10.America WTIL (KLF92promo2 mix AKA What Time is January) > > I sometimes get the Primal & Techno slam mixes the wrong way around so just in case, the former has an intro before the 2001 sample, the latter starts with the sample and is generally 'slammier'! I also don't have 004T to hand so track 4 is the mix with a beat. Track 6 is the DMC or similar DJ remix that starts "What Time Is Love W-W-What Time Is Love Love" or whatever...not great. > > Track 5 is the aforementioned unknown edit i have never seen or heard elsewhere. Thomas, some time ago I shared this with the AudioGalaxy KLF group and you suggested it was the Power mix edit, but it's not! (incidentally the Power mix edit is an interesting track and quite different to the full mix IIRC). This edit has similarities with the Power, Monster Attack and Live at the Land of Oz mixes with similar (but different) 'live' drums, but is quite intense in it's tweaking and phasing if you turn up the volume. Accordingly I have uploaded it for people to check out, and have called it the evil (almost live!) edit, just for the hell of it: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E39G8NIO > > ...is a WAV directly from the CD-R which my current computer drive seemed to manage OK sans the distortion i mentioned before (i had to do a bit of splicing due to the wonky track splits i mentioned). The distortion is possibly still present on the cymbal/hi-hat sounds as they sound a bit lispy, and there is a little background hiss at the end so if anyone feels the inclination to clean this up and probably do a better job than i could, please go for it > > For those lazy f*ckers, dial-up kids or those with only a mild interest here is an MP3: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IM5YMBZA > > I would be interested to see what people think as I love this version...simple but effective, retaining the signature of the 004T mixes but a bit more varied and scary =) > > tbc. > > --------------------------------- > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > > --------------------------------- > Met MSN Spaces kun je per e-mail je weblog bijwerken. Publiceer leuke verhalen, foto's en meer! Het is gratis! 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by Elliott 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

Been thinking more today about this album, if we send a copy to as many radio stations as possible all over the country, with KLF logo'ed paper saying this was a promo of their new album with release dates and any other chat, could they give it some airtime, someone should bite and play a track or two, if we are lucky, maybe we should paint some ads on a few bridges or bill boards! Elliott

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Re: [KLF] DAT box, distribution, question about tammy wynette box
by jerry＠airstrip-one.com 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

Domino? and yes, it certainly looks as if he has -----Original Message----- From: xe non [mailto:xenone23@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 01:34 PM To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [KLF] DAT box, distribution, question about tammy wynette box "The man from Afghanistan has made some significant changes to the RV."

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DAT box, distribution, question about tammy wynette box
by xe non 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

the unique structure of the recent 'art of noise' boxed set is less a compilation of thoroughly realised tracks and more a collection of just those kind of paths-not-taken tracks and fragments. as a whole it is quite enlightening as to thier working methods... any such DAT box of jimmy's sounds like its crying out for just this sort of curatorial approach. also...not to sound like a curmudgeon but it sounds like the best parts of johns idea are going by the wayside... i really liked the idea that this was going to be distributed in places where people who might never normally listen to the klf might pick it up by accident and experience it through a completely different context. no droplift/bansky catering to musos sort of thing but really unorthodox distribution channels like the truckstops and 99cent stores etc... not unlike J&A appearing on the tammy wynette greatest hits boxed set... that was brilliant!! btw- has anyone had the opportunity to have a conversation with a hardcore country music fan about J&A on that boxed set and just what it was they thought of the song? xe I think I've said this before, but I'm sure there's hours and hours of unreleased mixes, new tracks, demos, DJ sets, half-formed samples for mixing, and musical false starts, ALL on Jimmy's DAT tapes (which, according to Bill in "45" anyway, he has a complete collection of, right back to the JAMs days, kept in a box). From "Mommy Don't" and the flamenco "3 AM Eternal" demo with Graham Lee, to "The Sheriff of Mu Mu County" and the original "E-Train to Trancentral", these DATs presumably are a goldmine for KLF fans. Maybe this "Evil Edit" is from one of these DATs too. What we really need is a Mark Lewisohn type "Complete Sessions" book, detailing everything Jimmy and Bill did in the studio from January 1987 right through to their last collaborations together ten years later. Then the "wilderness years" of 1989 and 1990 may turn up a few surprises and settle a few arguments! "The man from Afghanistan has made some significant changes to the RV." --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

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evil names and sources
by Simon Glass 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

John, unfortunately there is no connection such as that you mentioned as the name 'evil edit' was made up for this unknown mix by myself! the cd-r it came on had no tracklist and thus no name for the track Dan - Other than on this cd-r i've also never come across this mix, but i was wondering how you can tell it was taken from vinyl? i am not aware of any scratches or pops, just some hiss at the end that suggests it came from a tape to me The only possible way i think we can trace this mix is by finding out who sold it to me! I know the record dealer was called 'Vinyl Addiction' so i will do a bit of a google to see if he is still operating Maarten you mentioned you still have some correspondence from the guy, so any addresses on those? I'm glad this mix has caused a lot of interest! It's silly i've been sitting on it all this time really... tbc. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.

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RE: [KLF] bring the beat back & unknown WTIL edit download
by Maarten Bouwes 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

Thanks for the tracklist! I've just downloaded the track and will let you know what I think. That other CD-R also came in a white card sleeve with a printed sticker saying: "KLF White Room s/track". Black innersleeve, no other info. It's in use now for storing my Love Trance labels. The CDR costed me around 20 pounds. Still got some letters laying around from a guy named "Pete" from vinyl addiction Maarten Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:54:07 -0800From: tygerbc(a)yahoo.comTo: klf(a)mailman.xmission.comSubject: [KLF] bring the beat back & unknown WTIL edit download OK for Maarten and anyone else who is interested here is the tracklist for the 'Bring the Beat Back' CD-R bootleg I think this was *ahem* 'released' around 1997-98 and came on a blank blue cd-r in a card sleeve, printed sticker with the title and a nice little black inner sleeve but no other info/tracklist 1. WTIL (Power mix) 2. WTIL (Primal remix) 3. WTIL (Techno Slam mix) 4. WTIL (Pure Trance mix) 5. WTIL (Unknown edit - see below) 6. WTIL (DMC or similar mix - see below) 7. J&A (Anti-Accapella mix) 8. 3AM Eternal (feat ENT) 9. Madrugada Eterna (Club mix) 10.America WTIL (KLF92promo2 mix AKA What Time is January) I sometimes get the Primal & Techno slam mixes the wrong way around so just in case, the former has an intro before the 2001 sample, the latter starts with the sample and is generally 'slammier'! I also don't have 004T to hand so track 4 is the mix with a beat. Track 6 is the DMC or similar DJ remix that starts "What Time Is Love W-W-What Time Is Love Love" or whatever...not great. Track 5 is the aforementioned unknown edit i have never seen or heard elsewhere. Thomas, some time ago I shared this with the AudioGalaxy KLF group and you suggested it was the Power mix edit, but it's not! (incidentally the Power mix edit is an interesting track and quite different to the full mix IIRC). This edit has similarities with the Power, Monster Attack and Live at the Land of Oz mixes with similar (but different) 'live' drums, but is quite intense in it's tweaking and phasing if you turn up the volume. Accordingly I have uploaded it for people to check out, and have called it the evil (almost live!) edit, just for the hell of it: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E39G8NIO ...is a WAV directly from the CD-R which my current computer drive seemed to manage OK sans the distortion i mentioned before (i had to do a bit of splicing due to the wonky track splits i mentioned). The distortion is possibly still present on the cymbal/hi-hat sounds as they sound a bit lispy, and there is a little background hiss at the end so if anyone feels the inclination to clean this up and probably do a better job than i could, please go for it For those lazy f*ckers, dial-up kids or those with only a mild interest here is an MP3: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IM5YMBZA I would be interested to see what people think as I love this version...simple but effective, retaining the signature of the 004T mixes but a bit more varied and scary =) tbc. Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. _________________________________________________________________ Probeer Live.com: je eigen persoonlijke opstartpagina met alleen de dingen die jij belangrijk vindt op één plek. http://www.live.com/getstarted

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Soulseek
by RMStringer 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

I just placed all of my KLF and Orb stuff on soulseek. Only people in my user list can access this music. I do not know how long I will keep it up. I have the bandwidth clamped down, so, don't complain as I have several boxes going and I only have 50kb up to play with. Perhaps at night I can up this so it will be better. Thankx, RMStringer ****************** "Seduction is thus a central, indeed in certain respects, the central idea, in political life. It signifies a course of action deliberately designed by one or more interested agents to undermine and replace some established loyalty." Kenneth Minogue (November issue of <http://www.newcriterion.com/constant/scrib> The New Criterion)

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Re: [KLF] ebay stuff
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

> That is the funny thing about copyright, isn't it? The rules change when it's your copyrights that are being > infringed. There's a difference between giving it away and selling it. This guy took freely available material and is selling it for profit. Personally, I could care less, but you asked why people were annoyed. -paul

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Re: Re: [KLF] ebay stuff
by Nick King 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

I don't, hence the smiley... :-) However, selling freely distributed stuff for 15 quid is a bit rich - a fiver maybe! :-) > > From: jerry(a)airstrip-one.com > Date: 2007/01/17 Wed PM 02:20:58 GMT > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Re: [KLF] ebay stuff > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information According to the listing, and judging from the track times, it is amashup of mixes & mashups. So you're wrong, he has mixed themand not just burned them onto a CDR. Anyway, why do you care? >-----Original Message----- >From: Nick King [mailto:nickwking@ntlworld.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 09:03 AM >To: jerry(a)airstrip-one.com, 'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.', >'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.' >Subject: Re: Re: [KLF] ebay stuff > >It's not the seller's mashups, though, it's many differentpeople's! All he's done is to download MP3's (freely) from the web, andburnt them onto a blank CDR! :-) >> >> From: Jerry Quartley <jerry(a)airstrip-one.com> >> Date: 2007/01/17 Wed PM 01:02:05 GMT >> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: [KLF] ebay stuff >> _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com

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Re: [KLF] ebay stuff
by jerry＠airstrip-one.com 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

That is the funny thing about copyright, isn't it? The rules change when it's your copyrights that are being infringed. -----Original Message----- From: TheMgnt(a)aol.com [mailto:TheMgnt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:00 AM To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] ebay stuff > Anyway, why do you care? Many of the tracks were created by people on this list. So it's reasonable to be annoyed that something created to be freely distributed (moreso if you were one of the creators) is being sold, esp without stating as such. However, to be fair, Jimmy did the exact same thing. He got a box of disaster preparedness videotapes from the British gov't and sold them thru Blacksmoke for 10ukp each. -paul

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