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Re: O)+>
by Vincent Kargatis 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Btw, in case it's not common enough knowledge, he's reclaimed the name "Prince" again. > From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <ecstasymule(a)hotmail.com> > But I'm fascinated by Kurt's inclusion of Rainbow Children, > >which on first listen sounded like a ponderous Jehovah's Witness concept > >album. Should I try again? > > you should absolutely try it again. the jehova stuff is easily overlooked > after a couple listens, and really isn't that overt anyway. [...] > the album is his best entire album, start to > finish, in a decade or so. great band feel, and no painfully embarassing > songs. Well, "Wedding Feast" is intolerable even as a joke - I can't even stand the 60 seconds it lasts... :) I don't think the lyrics are quite so easy to overlook, but I can do it, since I'm not lyrically-oriented anyway. It's pretty strong musically, but only a few songs approach previous musical heights. A few sound to me competent retreads of previous stuff ("1+1+1=3" [cf. shockadelica era], "The Work pt 1" [cf Sexy Motherfucker - we only need one overt JB style track from Prince], etc) - the title track is very nice, and I like closers a lot - good Prince anthems ('everlasting now', 'last december'). 'Family Name' I find forgettable. Still, worth picking up, imo. Haven't heard any of ONA. I suppose as an old (but failing) Prince fan, I should seek it out. -- Vincent Kargatis np: Dismemberment Plan - "A Life Of Possibilities" (Live @ Crocodile 2-26-00 early)

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RE: O)+>
by Kurt Gottschalk 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

>I haven't paid enough attention to Come, clearly, if both Skip and Kurt are >pushing it. to my mind, lovesexy, black and come are a trilogy that represent the (mock?) struggles which make his work so much more than just pop porn. in the first two, it's obvious: camille battles the spookyelectric on black, and rises above on lovesexy. prince laid out as much in interviews at the time. come has much the same feel as the other two, tho it's probably the least interesting of the three. but it has much of the beautiful sparseness that defines some of his best songs (like 'joy in repitition' from grafitti bridge). But I'm fascinated by Kurt's inclusion of Rainbow Children, >which on first listen sounded like a ponderous Jehovah's Witness concept >album. Should I try again? you should absolutely try it again. the jehova stuff is easily overlooked after a couple listens, and really isn't that overt anyway. it reminds me more of the loose storybook themes he's used elsewhere ('rain is wet, sugar is sweet/clap your hands, stomp your feet/everybody, everybody knows/when love calls, you gotta go'). the album is his best entire album, start to finish, in a decade or so. great band feel, and no painfully embarassing songs. > >Anyone heard One Nite Alone... Live!, the new 3CD box that just came out? would love to hear it. i have a boot of the nyc show (which i also went to). but i think p's mission to prove that an artist can make it on his own is being done at the expense of fans. $60 for the 3 cd, and i don't know how much for the 4cd, which includes a solo piano and vocal disc that i wouldn't be happy without. eventually i'll figure a way to have it, i'm sure, but sheesh. > >And where did you find the Crucial boot, Michael? i may have said this earlier, but the crucial boot is less than crucial. kg _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: experimental late fahey
by sondra halabi 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

"Requia" is one of the neatest fahey albums. it has a lot of field recordings and tapes and record collages on it while he's playing. that was one of the records that got me into experimental folk and drone, and even country and blues.. (where before i was more into harsh everything). I'd love to hear more experimental Fahey recommendations myself. So i keep hearing how great "trasmorfigation of blind joe death" and "death chants and military waltzes" are. (titles not recalled correctly, i'm sure). what are those like? From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree(a)erinet.com> Subject: experimental late fahey The December Wire Tapper includes a gorgeous electric John Fahey cut that sounds like nothing else from him that I've heard. According to the notes, it's from a forthcoming Revenant release. I followed him through the early Takoma/Vanguard years, but my tastes changed and I didn't pay much attention to him (or any other acoustic music) after the early 1970s. We picked up his album Rain Forests & Oceans (with an interesting two-guitar version of Layla), but I'd be interested in reading about Fahey's experimental side in other more recent releases. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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Re: List archive
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Happy New Year, one and all. I for one would welcome the availability of searchable archives for the early stuff. Go for it! Alastair -----Original Message----- >From : Gregoire Hamon <hamon(a)csl.sri.com> To : zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com Date : 04 January 2003 19:11:17 Subject : List archive Hi all, > >yesterday I was searching what the list has had to say on some >Zorn's past issues, and start browsing the list archives which prior >to 2002 seem to be only available in a digest form which is a little >bit of a pain to use. > >I converted those archives to (somewhat) valid mbox files which I could browse >and search using my email client, and then converted then to html browsable >files. > >If some of you are interested in getting those files, I can make them >available, those are the list archives from 1996 to may 2002 (since then >they are accessible on xmission). > >Greg > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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Re: O)+>
by Vincent Kargatis 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

> From: "Michael Brooker" <mind_train(a)hotmail.com> > I'd like some good suggestions on what the best works by Prince are > considered. I already have The Symbol album, Sign O' The Times, Crystal > Ball, Emancipation, and Diamonds and Pearls and I also just ordered the > "Crucial" bootleg out of curiosity. You are way lacking in early Prince, so need to play catch-up! I'd say every album from PRINCE through LOVESEXY contains defining moments and would generally be deemed 'essential' by Prince aficionados. Certainly see allmusic.com for an overview. -- Vincent Kargatis np: Steuart Liebig - "the darkness of endless fall" (w/ Nels Cline) (POMEGRANATE)

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Re: One-stop shopping for inside & outside music?
by Vincent Kargatis 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

> From: "William Crump" <crumpw(a)bellsouth.net> > I'd like to do some one-stop shopping and not pile up a bunch of shipping > charges by buying from five or six etailers. Can someone recommend an online > music retailer where I can get the widest range of stuff, from the Dylan > Bootleg Series #5 to Eyvind Kang's "Live Low to the Earth in the Iron Age"? > CD Universe has a lot of my list, but not all of it. (They don't have the > Kang set or anything on Okkadisk, for instance.) I don't think so, and if there were, you wouldn't save any money. For zorn-listy stuff, use Verge first. For more mainstream stuff, go to alldirect.com first (atm free shipping >$99 order) and playcentric.com (using a coupon code from a search engine like pricescan.com - playcentric doesn't have much, but if they do, it will be cheap with that code). I can see wanting one-stop shopping if you care more about time than money, but multiple stores will probably always be your cheapest option, and the on I use. -- Vincent Kargatis np: Rod Poole - "Kaleidescope Sunday" (156 Strings)

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Re: Camper Van Chadbourne CD problem
by William York 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

>>>Has anyone else who owns this disc experienced this problem, or is it possibly my CD player?<<< <Four titles per track is not a 'problem' when it comes to Van Chadbourne.> Not sure what our acid-tongued Zorn-List sphinx is trying to say here -- probably something witty and condescending, who knows -- but anyway, the copy of that CD I came across had that same Problem. It is not your CD player. It seems like another example of Knitting Factory Records just plain screwing up royally (in the tradition of printing "No Saftey" on one of their releases' CD spines, mislabeling tracks left and right, etc.). Even then, knowing KFW's track record, I was still kind of amazed that such a glaring error could have been committed and that nobody caught it ... WY _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Electric Miles: Agartha and Pangaea
by francko.lamerikx＠philips.com 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

While I was going through my CD collection to put the non-essential stuff on eBay, I recently rediscovered Miles Davis' "Dark Magus", which I now think is one of his finest albums. Does Columbia Legacy have any plans to re-issue "Agartha" and "Pangaea"? Frankco

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Re: SCG
by William York 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

<<Also: apparently I need to get some Sun City Girls into my life. Does anybody know a seller with copies of "330,003 Crossdressers..." available?>> It's out of print on CD and vinyl. You might be able to still order the vinyl directly from the label, Locust, but they were charging $35 for it. If you don't want to get into buying a lot of CDs or spending a lot of money on music, it may be best to avoid getting into this group. They have tones of albums that are all over the map. Many people will try to tell you that "330,003..." or "Torch of the Mystics" are the definitive albums by them (or the best introductions), but I don't think there is a definitive album, just by definition of what kind of group they are. Of what is available, the later Carnival Folklore Resurrection volumes give some idea of their diversity and are pretty consistently good, especially 9/10 (Hi Asia/Lo Pacific), 8 (The Handsome Stranger ... it's great, DESPITE what Aquarius Recs might try to tell you), and to a lesser extent 6 (Sumatran Electric Chair) and 7 (Libyan Dream). Bright Surroundings, Dark Beginnings is also good and still in print I think. Still waiting for someone to get back to me about trading OOP SCG stuff -- I have a few hard-to-find things I would be willing to copy for someone who would be interested in doing the same.... Thanks in advance, WY _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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O)+>
by Michael Brooker 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

Hello, I'd like some good suggestions on what the best works by Prince are considered. I already have The Symbol album, Sign O' The Times, Crystal Ball, Emancipation, and Diamonds and Pearls and I also just ordered the "Crucial" bootleg out of curiosity. Can anyone here offer some suggestions? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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