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RE: sampling in avant garde and pop music
by Simon Calle 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

In pop music I was thinking about the Jamaican sound systems. The fathers of dub. People like U-Roy and Lee "Scratch" Perry, I undertand he is virtually the father of sampling. Simon Calle

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Re: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations
by Gerald Brennan 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

================ Gerald E. Brennan PO Box 4631 Arcata, CA 95518 USA I can't believe no one's mentioned LOW LIFE, a duet album Laswell made with Peter Brotzmann. It's great! Jerry

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Night & Day
by Gerald Brennan 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hi, Ben, I think this is almost certainly a case of vast overkill. I've got the NIGHT & DAY vinyl EP that FMP released some time ago, and frankly, except for Schlippenbach, I find these guys out of their depth playing this kind of music. (And I like them all in more natural contexts.) One problem might be they approach the standards in a completely straight way, no parody, no exaggeration. Rudiger Carl once told me that the idea was for them to go, as no names, into places where free jazz or "improv" is never heard and perform as if they were any small jazz combo. It was an idea that got old quickly for me. Jerry ================ Gerald E. Brennan PO Box 4631 Arcata, CA 95518 USA Subject: Night and Day To: zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com Message-ID: <Law11-F53P9CDBHy3Sp000144cc(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, Has anyone heard the 6CD Night and Day (Alexander von Schlippenback, Sven-Ake Johansson, Rudiger Carl, Jay Oliver) box set, "Night and Day plays them all"? http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/ehome.html It sounds interesting but 6 discs sound like overkill. And there's no mention of Lol Coxhill or S-A Johansson providing vocals.... I was really suprised that no one mentioned the Hudson Riv disc (Grob) on their best of lists. It's hilarious and actually quite touching. Thanks, Ben

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anyone recording marty ehrlich trio at tonic this month and daniel zamir trades
by brian sullivan 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

does anyone have for trade andrew hill dusk, beautiful day, daniel zamir children of israel and bobby previte counterclockwise and is anyone recording marty ehrlich trio at tonic this month? let me know if you're interested, what you want and i'll send my list. thanks, brian. _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed net deals comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com

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Re: sampling in avant garde and pop music
by Bill Ashline 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

> From: "adam morosky" <amorosky(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: sampling in avant garde and pop music > i want to know if > there are any musicians/composers that stand out as true sampling pioneers > in Dub, Hip Hop, Pop, and avant garde music. > > what musician or composer do you feel really pushed the boundaries of what > sampling can be for their genre? In areas like dub/electronica, I'd say the pioneers are people like DJ Shadow, in particular, as well as DJ Olive and DJ Spooky. DXT is another pioneer, who has improvised using record collections with which he was unfamiliar. As far as the avant-garde, Otomo Yoshihide's early work with his sampling virus project is pretty important in this area, with the Ground Zero projects Consume Red and the Revolutionary Pekinese Opera being the best exemplifications (Consume Red, both studio and live versions, is my favorite CD of all time). As far as more recent music, clearly the best and most important pioneer is John Wall. Check out his Constructions and Fractuur recordings in particular.

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Re: sampling in avant garde and pop music
by Ryan William Blum 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

I haven't been paying complete attention to this thread, but if you're interested in the way sampling has been involved in jazz and improv, Bob Ostertag's project is incredible: he had musicians (Mark Dresser and Joey Baron among them) record their most intense soloistic statements in a studio environment, then he rearranged them as an 'ensemble' composition, in ways, Mr. Dresser told me, that they never would be able to play with their own bodies and imagination. But then, this is the kicker, had them play their parts live, with him improvising on sampler WITH THEIR PARTS. There are studio (collage) and live recordings available from two separate projects from the same concept. Also, and this might go outside your interest, as it's more live, but the Evan Parker Electro-acoustic ensemble does some wild things, with 3 electronics/samplerers and the acoustic trio in tandem. The recordings (two on ECM) have really nice liner notes so as to sort out what's virtual and where. Ryan ___ "I always have a white canvas" Taku Sugimoto

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Re: RE: Beat The Donkey & Bill Laswell
by Bill Ashline 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

> From: "SELC - Andrew Mortensen" <andrewm(a)mail.selc.com.au> >>>> Praxis: All except "Mold" > > ## I've never heard of this? I just looked at Turning Groove & found a bit > more info on it. what's it like? Mold is a remix of Laswell's studio sessions for Future Shock, which were called 1984 under the Praxis rubric, and weren't worthy of release. Peter Weatherby worked through these tapes and came up with a rather strange ambient-electronic release. It doesn't have anything to do with "Praxis" as such and I wouldn't consider it very essential.

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Re: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations / Naked Lunch DVD
by Ben Axelrad 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

I used to really be into Laswell but got burned out on his work a few years ago. I have the whole Axiom catalog minus the new stuff (e.g. Tabla Beat...) and most of the Subharmonics, and the ones that still hold up tend to be the ones where Laswell doesn't do much or any playing. Here are my recs. AXIOM Praxis "Mutatis Mutandis" -- Bernie Worrell, Bootsy Collins, Buckethead, Afrika (from the Jungle Bros) Sola -- Very interesting mix of Chinese classical music and blues. w/Amina Claudine Myers, Henry Threadgill, Umar Bin Hassan (Last Poets), Wu Man. Axiom Ambient -- Very nice ambient mix of Axiom tracks. Maleem Mahmoud Ghania f/ Pharoah Sanders - Blows away the Ornette/Jajouka record. Simon Shaheen "The Music of Mohammed Abdel Wahab" Henry Threadgill "Too Much Sugar for a Dime" - Still for me the best Threadgill album. SUBHARMONIC For the most part these can be avoided. I think the Laswell/Thaemlitz collaboration "Web" holds up the best; the disc with Tetsu Inoue is also interesting, very dark and droney. The Subharmonic sublabel (with the black jewel cases) can also be avoided. The best one of these is the first Cypher 7, a nice ambient/dance/pop disc. FAX Haven't heard all of Laswell's work here, but his appearances on "Dark Side of the Moog IV" are the worst tracks on the album, and he almost ruins "Outland 2" with his bass and beats. Reviews of most FAX discs are available at www.2350.org. Ben >From: Efrén del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> >To: patRice <publicpat(a)yahoo.com>, zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations / Naked Lunch DVD >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:09:58 +0100 (CET) > >Thanks a lot Pat. "Seven Souls" was a recommendation >that someone made several years ago that I completely >ignored and it proved to be a mistake. I'm also >wondering how many of those Material albums are >available nowadays. > >Best, > >Efrén del Valle >n.p: John Zorn "New Traditions in East Asian Bar >Bands" (Tzadik) > > --- patRice <publicpat(a)yahoo.com> escribió: > > > > > Hi there Efrén... > > > > I'm definitely not a Laswell expert, but I > > absoultely > > love the Material album "Seven Souls" - which sort > > of > > takes us full circle to the William S. Burroughs > > thread of a few days ago. Great stuff. > > > > About the "Naked Lunch" DVD - just read a review > > last > > week that there is a 2-DVDs Set out that has > > Burroughs > > reading excerpts of the book in the special features > > section. Sounds interesting, doesn't it? > > > > patRice > > www.tattoo-source.com > > www.silverknuckle.com > > > > np: Iron Maiden, Powerslave > > nr: Bangkok Post > > > > --- Efrén del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> wrote: > > > > knew > > > his discography has enormous proportions so I > > > thought > > > it would be good to ask you what you think are > > >his > > > ESSENTIAL albums, regardless of genre (dub, > > >ambient, > > > funk, whatever). Painkiller is covered yet. I > > >never > > > thought I'd get this guys work... > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > >___________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS >Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... >http://messenger.yahoo.es > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Beat The Donkey & Bill Laswell
by Craig Lieske 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

"Beat The Donkey is a very good CD, however, his CD on Avant, "Villa Lobos, Vira Loucos" is a little bit better starting off point. There are some very "commercial" soundonmg sections in "beat The Donkey" that make me think that there is a very strong tendency towards "slickness", if you understand where I am coming from there.. That being said, the first track has some very good surprises, and the playing is high-quality throughout. Favorite Laswell CD's: Material stuff: Memory Serves, Hallucination Engine, Seven Souls Solo: Basslines, Hear No Evil Praxis: All except "Mold" Massacre: Anything you can find A host of other things I am forgetting at the moment Craig L. _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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Boston
by Darryl Norsen 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

I was just curious if anybody on this list had some good recommendations of what is going on or worth checking out in Boston/Cambridge/Allston area of MA? I will be there from Saturday until Tuesday visiting a friend and catching the Gomez gig at the Paradise. I have already hit up the art musuem and Cjpley Square in previous Boston visits, but looking for other things to check out. CD Stores, used bookstores, restaurants, jazz gigs/clubs...etc. You can hit me at this email or dnorsen(a)graphic-designer.com Thanks! Darryl _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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