July 2003 - zorn-list - mailman.xmission.com

Re: this whole "creative" thing
by Mitch Tyo 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

It's amazing how sick I am of all labels in general. Whether it's 'creative', 'pop-punk', 'indie-pop', 'post-rock', 'alt-rock', 'post-punk', 'avant-garde', 'sadcore', 'emo', 'grindcore', 'britpop', 'hard-pop', 'nu metal' , 'post-lounge', 'ambient', 'hardcore', 'black metal', 'doom metal', 'death metal', 'dark metal' (yes, apparently there's a difference between all these), 'jam band', 'stoner rock', 'garage', 'easy listening', 'noise', 'jazz', 'classical', 'folk', 'rock', 'pop' and so on. My attitude is that a musician should just make the best music they can. Leave the labeling to the critics, or better still, get rid of them all together. There are better ways to describe music then to sort it into a genre. One of the reasons I like John Zorn so much is that he doesn't fit into any one label, ever (even though his music is commonly in the "jazz" section, for lack of a better place to put it). The instant you put yourself into a genre is the instant you limit your creativity. And as a moderately topical aside, I was in a bar the other day talking to a self-proclaimed guitarist. I asked him some basic questions about scales or something (since I aspire to play guitar myself), and his response was "Oh, I don't know anything about music. But it's okay, since we're a 'noise' band." _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: creative music
by Kurt Gottschalk 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

>Is it me, or does anyone else find the term "creative music" condescending >and elitist? personally, i prefer meaningless terms that come to vaguely denote something than specific terms about which we can argue semantics. that's why 'downtown' is a good term (albeit a geographically specific one). i also like 'onkyo,' simply because i can never remember what it means. yeah, if you think about it 'creative music' has an elitist twang - where's the line between creative and noncreative? - but it's better than trying to decide if something really is jazz or country or soul. kurt _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: why I found Toshimaru Nakamura boring
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

>why I found Toshimaru Nakamura boring >oooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo >oooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo >oooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo, IT DOES BECOME BORING. >## I DON'T MIND IT NOT BEING VISUALLY INTERESTING, THAT'S FINE BY ME.... Cool. It's just your one liner left it open to misinterpretation. I can see that the Sachi/Toshi dup might not be every one's cup o'meat. His live improvisations (solo and not solo) have always interested me though. >ANYWAY, JUST THOUGHT I'D LET A LITTLE MORE INFO FOR MY COMMENT (HAD A >FEELING I MIGHT GET SOME FLACK... :) And I jumped at the bait! Just to keep show that I'm not going soft in my old age though, enough with the capitals! Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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Re: Toshimaru Nakamura
by ssmith36＠sprynet.com 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Maybe Toshi should start wearing eyeshadow and feather boas, like Brian Eno in his Roxy Music days? Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Francesco Maria Veracini, Sonata Prima in G minor - Biondi (Virgin) ... who felt that watching Toshi and Keith Rowe was a lot like eavesdropping on a really intense chess match... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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NO wave comeback 2003 ?!?!?!
by Ricardo Jorge 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

can anyone explain the no wave explosion that's occurring? Theoretical girls, glenn branca, Rhys Chatham, james chance re-releases, ZE records releases now on CD, no wave/post punk compilations on Souljazz & rough trade... what the hell is going on?!? ps: does anyone knows if there are any plans for rereleasing the compilations "noisefest" (with sonic youth, blue humans,...) & "tape #1" (with Mofungo, information,...) or the "live" Mars Cd ? thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com

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Creative Music
by bsweet＠umich.edu 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Karl Berger, who, along with Ornette Coleman, founded the Creative Music Studio, sought to convey to musicians that they can--and must--develop a connection with, a mastery over, an intimacy with, or--if you can stand it--a relationship with the elements of music that have nothing to do with traditions or styles. Live and breath rhythm and tuning. Develop the skills that put you in command of those elements. Disregard jazz, rock, classical, avant garde, blues, etc. What do you as a musician have left? The music of you. You can then take your mastery over the elements common to all music and do what you want with them; play jazz if you want to, don't play jazz if you don't want to; be whoever you are. Be John Zorn, or be Joe Blow. You can call what you play "the music of me," or you can call it creative music. The term can sound elitist when critics use it to compare, measure, or analyze. It can also be of value when used to annnounce that comparison, measurement, or analysis are not relevant. Bob Sweet bsweet(a)umich.edu READ Music Universe, Music Mind http://www.arborville.com Tne only full-length account of the Creative Music Studio, the twentieth century's premier study center for creative music.

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Re: Kevin Sharp
by Arthur Gadney 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Where did you hear about this?? It looks extremely cool!! When was the last time Mick Harris played drums?? I remember some years ago he mentioned that Zorn wanted him to record a duo with some organ player for Tzadik. Sounds pretty interesting, but I never heard about it later. >From: "dave" <dave(a)silent-watcher.net> >To: <zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: Kevin Sharp >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:27:36 -0400 > >yeah...all this is apparently in a somewhat preliminary stage, though a >little more advanced than just talk. possibly a japanese and us tour and >record if all works out...supposedly there are some tunes written by sharp >with this project in mind...if this can get mick behind a kit again that >would be great. > >Dave > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alfonso Vargas Gamio" <Enfermo(a)rocketmail.com> > > > > Speaking of Sharp, word is that he will do vocals in a grindcore > > super-project, which will feature Shane Embury on bass, Mick Harris > > on drums and, possibly, Buzz Osborne on guitar. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Upcomming Ruins tour
by Arthur Gadney 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Yo! If anybody is going to see the amazing band Ruins on their short upcomming US tour, please post a review after! I just saw that the same night they are playing at Tonic in NYC (July 12), there will also be a show of Alan Licht, Anton Fier, Loren Mazzacane Connors & Jim Sauter. Should be a pretty awesome night! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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douglas/melford live on italian radio addendum
by luca aghemo 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

for the sat freaks, radio rai is on sat too, in digital domain, for europe here are the hints hotbird 1 (analogic) 7.56 MHz hotbird 2 (digital) PID video 162 PID audio 88 for any other info (overseas signal) check http://www.international.rai.it/engl/index.shtml ciao __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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dave douglas/myra melford live on italian radio via web
by luca aghemo 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

for those on the list interested, rai, italian public broadcasting company is airing through web audio streaming: dave douglas septet recorded in Rome Jazz Club La Palma on March 12th 2003.it will be aired on July 8th Tuesday 8.30 PM Rome Time the link is http://www.radio.rai.it/radio3/ just click on the little radio like spot on the left for the streaming Myra Melford Be bread quartet recorded in Rome Jazz Club La palma on May 16th 2003.it will be aired on July 22nd Tuesday 10.30 PM Rome Time same venue for Zorn electric masada next 17th and 18th july gigs.No live air scheduled but be faithful for a recording next to be webcasted ciao luca __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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