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Ribot / Frith "Subsonic 1 -sounds from a ..."
by Ricardo Jorge 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

hi! I got an extra copy of this cd! I'm willing to trade it for a original copy of the Flaming Hoops album or some original tzadik cd that interests me! let me know if anyone's interested.... thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. http://messenger.msn.com.br

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Re: Re: War
by Steve Smith 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Thank you, Patrice. I was trying to restrain myself. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Hector Berlioz, "Merci, doux crepuscule!" - Roberto Alagna (EMI) -------Original Message------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel(a)ichips.intel.com> Sent: 02/13/03 01:09 PM On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:34:17 -0800 (PST) sondra halabi wrote: > > PS, i think bush is doing a good job. i agree, if after 12 years of la dee Just curious, how worse the economy and the international situation have to be for some people starting to question the capabilities of the current administration? Just curious, because when Clinton was in the White House, the threshold for attacking his administration was quite low (to say the least).

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Re: Re: War
by Chris Selvig 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Sadat was assassinated in 1981, pretty early in the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. And good news - the Saudis are throwing the US military out and beginning democratic reforms, in an effort to undermine the power of the Wahhabist clerics over the Saudi government. 3? At 01:14 PM 2/13/2003 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >Keith, I know you're being contentious and hypothetical here. But let's >spell it out, okay? Among any number of historical reasons and precedents, >bin Laden has targeted us because: > >I) We are the main military supporter of Israel's continued occupation and >dominance in Palestine territory, in bin Laden's view a sovereign Arab and >Islamic nation. > >II) We continue to maintain troops in Saudi Arabia and other sovereign >Arab and Islamic nations, thereby marking ourselves in his view as >"colonial forces." > >Bin Laden is ruthless and a bloodthirsty ideologue. But he's far from >irrationally crazy. He's got perfect self-justification for his hatred of >anyone that doesn't subscribe to his ideals of complete and total >Wahhabite Islam in Arab countries. Please remember that after the Soviets >were driven out of Afghanistan, the next thing al Qaeda did was >assassinate Anwar Sadat, president of an Arab nation, whose crime was >making peace with Israel. > >Bin Laden's zealot bent, incidentally, is precisely the reason that overt >collusion with Saddam -- who has never been a fundamentalist and leads a >largely secular, even in SOME way progressive, society -- is unlikely in >the extreme. > >Steve Smith >ssmith36(a)sprynet.com >NP - Hector Berlioz, "Les pelerins etant venus" - Roberto Alagna (EMI) > >-------Original Message------- >From: s~Z <keithsz(a)concentric.net> >Sent: 02/13/03 12:46 PM >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: War > > > > > >>>we've been on this guy's list for a long time.<<< > >Why did he put us there? There plenty of other infidel nations he doesn't >mess with. Why'd he pick us? > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list

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Re: NakedCity 2003
by Arthur Gadney 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Hi, >Apparently (according to this website), Eye will be singing... Now that would be something!! ;-) And actually, doesn't it just say Eye or Patton?? Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: War
by sondra halabi 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

If was just about oil they would've ended sanctions years ago. ... from an interesting article: Crude by Peter Beinart "why wouldn't the United States simply lift sanctions? Attacking Saddam, after all, entails huge financial costs, risks American lives, and could prompt civil war in precisely those parts of Iraq where oil companies want to drill. Lifting sanctions would far more easily produce the same result--since it is sanctions that have partially prevented Iraq from importing the equipment that it needs to boost oil production. Saddam has made it clear that he'd love to pump more oil--if the world would let him use the revenue to buy palaces and Scuds. In 1995, for instance, Baghdad announced that if sanctions were lifted it would enter into agreements with foreign oil companies aimed at boosting production to between six and seven million barrels per day--roughly the same amount analysts envision under a post-Saddam regime." "In fact, it isn't war that the American oil industry has been lobbying for all these years; it's the end of sanctions. As late as October 2001, after Bush administration hawks had already begun talking about war with Iraq, the American Petroleum Institute was still focused on trying to lift sanctions. In an interview with Energy Day, an institute spokesman criticized "the roadblocks of U.S. law that unilaterally close important markets to U.S. companies while leaving the door wide open for competitors." Antiwar lefties are quick to cite Vice President Dick Cheney's tenure at Halliburton as evidence that the oil industry is behind America's rush to war. But when Cheney ran Halliburton, he wasn't calling for an invasion of Iraq; and, while for personal reasons more supportive of Iraqi sanctions than most, he nonetheless railed against the sanctions that America imposed everywhere in the Middle East. Indeed, for their first nine months in office, Cheney and the Bush team didn't propose invading Iraq; they proposed scaling back the U.N. sanctions regime. The Bush administration changed its mind not because of oil but because of terrorism. September 11 made the terrorist threat a reality, and the more American policymakers began worrying about that threat, the more they began worrying about the proliferation of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons--which seems to be how they arrived at war with Iraq. " PS, i think bush is doing a good job. i agree, if after 12 years of la dee da from saddam, what else do you propose? i think by acting as irrational and bulldoggish as bush is, its good for someone like saddam. (remember this is after 12 years) what has doing nothing about terrorism over the last 8 years done for us? we've taken plenty of knee blows, and just let them slide... only to bring on 9/11. if you've heard bin laden's tapes, you know how irrational that guy is. he said at one point that its not even about politics, we just deserve to die b/c we're "infidels". we've been on this guy's list for a long time. he'd obviously be fine with purchasing weapons of md from saddam. i have no doubt. now what? i really don't think this is all about oil.. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

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Re: War
by sondra halabi 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

also, why all the talk about UN sanctions killing saddams' people? the sanctions were on ARMS. not food, not medical supplies. Saddam was the one starving his people. blaming it on the UN/US like he always does anything. and as it was obvious what he was doing, the UN even tried to force him to feed his people by imposing an "oil for food" program, which he turned around and either didn't accept, or, when he'd get the food, he'd horde it for himself and his regime, and sell the rest to other countries. anyway, this is all old news, but i'm tired of hearing about how the UN/US was the one responsible for starving saddams people b/c of our sanctions. Also, the bombing in iraq over the last 11 years has been in the no fly zones, in instances where iraq has been hostile and obviously non-complying. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

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Re: Podewil
by Arthur Gadney 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

>Philip Smarartzis. Who is that guy? I saw he just has a new duo album aout with Yamamoto from Boredoms... _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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More victo beans and corrections
by mwoodwor 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

OK - here is a couple of more of the performing groups (or at least based on info. I've received/various websites) - Rova and Mephista. And it appears that the Parker/Guy Bass Quartet is the 18th, not the 17th as I listed before. 16 down - That only leaves 8 to go. Someone must know the other 8, let's close the deal - Spread the beans. 1.Rene Lussier Orch - May 15 2.John Zorn Cobra - May 16 3. Mephista - May 16 4.John Zorn Electric Masada - May 17 5.K.K. Roll, Xavier Charles + Parasite - May 17 6.Block/Dutton/Makigami/Minton/Moss - May 17 7.Saitoh/Sawai/Kazuo/Doneda/Quan Ninh - May 17 8.F. Frith - Nouvel Ensemble Modern - May 18 9.William Parker/Guy/Leandre/Phillips - May 18 10. Rova - May 18 11.Pan Sonic + Peaches - May 18 12. Brotzmann/Parker - Double Trio - MAy 19 13. Melvins/Fantomas - May 19 14. Sugimoto Guitar Quartet - NO date known yet/tentative 15. Ambarchi/Hecker duo - No date known yet 16. 2 X 2 (Samworth et al.) - NO date known yet Mike

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Podewil
by Edgar Lee 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Did anyone see the Podewill performances in Berlin last week? I'm especially interested in people's thoughts on Candesnuffer or Philip Smarartzis. Edgar http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send some online love this Valentine's Day.

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Yamatsuka Eye in Portugal
by Pedro Cruz 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Hi folks, This one goes for anyone in Portugal or near by. In the next 8th Mars, Yamatsuka Eye ( Boredoms, Naked City, Painkiller, and more...) will play at Serralves Foundation in Porto, so if your near, don't miss it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for more informations www.serralves.pt

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