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Re: Yamatsuka Eye in Portugal
by Ricardo Jorge 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

YESS and Folowed by MERZBOW !!!!! > >This one goes for anyone in Portugal or near by. >In the next 8th Mars, Yamatsuka Eye ( Boredoms, Naked City, Painkiller, and >more...) will play at Serralves Foundation in Porto, so if your near, don't >miss it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >for more informations www.serralves.pt _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. http://messenger.msn.com.br

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Yamatsuka Eye in Portugal
by Pedro Cruz 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

Hi folks, This one goes for anyone in Portugal or near by. In the next 8th Mars, Yamatsuka Eye ( Boredoms, Naked City, Painkiller, and more...) will play at Serralves Foundation in Porto, so if your near, don't miss it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for more informations www.serralves.pt

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Politics of No Politics
by MorMovies＠aol.com 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

Politics in some artist/music-oriented context is fine with me. So much art (bad art, IMO) is injected with politics. But I do resent the absolute bull$*&% brain-washed idea that there is ONE "good" acceptable stance on the idea of war?! Yeah, we can all hold hands and agree war SUCKS but doesn't evey living thing on this f'ing planet have to fight and kill at some point during the day/month/year, etc.?! I do not believe in the abstract, supernatural human-created concept of 'PEACE.' It does not exist in the natural world in our particular planet!! Point to it- SHOW IT TO ME!! It can apply to a mind-state or art and music but not reality, in my opinion. While we might momentarily enjoy "peace" some jerk is being dipped in acid or tortured or oppressed somewhere on the planet! Does that qualify as 'peace?' Then, I consider myself anti-peace! By the way, I consider myself as 'undecided' regarding the war with Iraq but I believe you HAVE to use hyper psychotic, threatening rhetoric to at least avoid conflict momentarily. Doesn't every animal have to snarl, roar or ruffle its feathers to deter agressors or predators? I refuse to believe the human species is genetically capable of being any different. On the other hand, I personally enjoy violent, insane art (specifically music and film) more than the sedate, 'peaceful' soothing kind. Sorry for the rant...

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Re: War
by Arthur Gadney 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Hi, >B/c we're the loudest. everyone else is on the list,, we're just the only >ones who got in with their affairs. in one of bin laden's letters, he >says, that it is not political. he just hates us b/c we're infidels. read >it for youself! Do you have a reference for this text where Bin Laden says he wants to kill all nonebelievers in the universe? Untill that time, I suggest that you check out the following interview he gave to a Pakistani newspaper: http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/10/top1.htm And besides, it doesn't matter what Bin Laden himself thinks. If he was just him alone, he couldn't do anything. It matters when people think he is right, and unfortunately a lot of people agree with his "political" views. And even more unfortunately, they have good reason to do so. It's crucial that we remove any political reason for people to agree with Bin Laden and therefore support him. At that point he will stop being a threat. We are not exactly there yet. But there is hope: His religious views are, in fact, not very popular. He belivies Afghanistan under Taleban to be the "perfect Islamic state". You will not find too many muslims in the world who would have enjoyed living there. >what about what we did to help "his people" out in somalia and >kosovo? >how come he's never said anything about that? He doesn't want helping out (pretending for a moment for the sake of argument that that was what we did in those cases). He wants "leave us alone". And while we're at it, please help spread the following. I think it's really important: http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ PS: This will hopefully be my last none-music comment for now. I enjoy the discussion but I can understand if people are annoyed and there is plenty of other places to discuss these matters. For example private emails. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: ROVA etc./ Soulseek?
by Ben Axelrad 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

haven't read a physics textbook in a while, but i believe what sean is describing is called "destructive interference" >From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes(a)allmusic.com> >To: "serge dautricourt" ><sergedautricourt(a)hotmail.com>,<zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: ROVA etc./ Soulseek? >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:45:10 -0500 > > > > > > > > Bruce Ackley and > >Larry Ochs did thing with sustained notes, its hard to descibe, but its >as > >if they made their frequncies clash at certain intervals, giving the > >listener a strange 'buzz' in their ears. > > >i think it's called "beating" and it's when the 2 soundwaves are slightly >off and cause wave cancellation. I've seen Marshall Allen and Danny Davis >do it with Sun RA. you can also do it with 2 recordings playing at >slightly >different speeds > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: War
by sondra halabi 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

From: Steve Smith <ssmith36(a)sprynet.com> To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: Re: War Bin Laden's zealot bent, incidentally, is precisely the reason that overt collusion with Saddam -- who has never been a fundamentalist and leads a largely secular, even in SOME way progressive, society -- is unlikely in the extreme. ---geeze, youre being way too nice about this guy... youre giving him too much of the benefit of the doubt. i give up. the thing is: What do you want to do about it? Bin Laden doesn't care if we helped to save "his people" in kosovo or somalia, he won't care if we pull out now, he doesn't give a crap, he's gonna keep terror alive until all the "infidels" are gone. he said so in that letter!!! no one read it, i guess.. basically we're just supposed to give up and say "we're sorry osama, kill us all! we deserve it! we're horrible horrible americans!" Who want's to see the US and democracy dissolve? hmm, that might be a good conspiracy theory... that's all i really wanna say. i dont' want to fight with anyone, i'm just up for a discussion. i'm not pro war, i don't think anyone is, but i agree you have to draw the line somewhere, i hope we can solve this without war. but you DO need BOTH sides for peace to work. in this case, we can barely even see the sides clearly.. Hey, are you Steven R. Smith? : ) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

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Re: Re: Re: War
by Steve Smith 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Thank you for correcting my timetable. Sometimes all the blood rushing to my head makes the details a bit fuzzy. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Hector Berlioz, "Grans dieux!...Ange adore" - Angela Gheorghiu & Roberto Alagna (EMI) -------Original Message------- From: Chris Selvig <selvig(a)earthlink.net> Sent: 02/13/03 01:22 PM To: Steve Smith <ssmith36(a)sprynet.com>, zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: Re: War > > Sadat was assassinated in 1981, pretty early in the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. And good news - the Saudis are throwing the US military out and beginning democratic reforms, in an effort to undermine the power of the Wahhabist clerics over the Saudi government.

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Re: War
by sondra halabi 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Message: 5 From: "s~Z" <keithsz(a)concentric.net> To: <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: War Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:46:57 -0800 >>>we've been on this guy's list for a long time.<<< Why did he put us there? There plenty of other infidel nations he doesn't mess with. Why'd he pick us? B/c we're the loudest. everyone else is on the list,, we're just the only ones who got in with their affairs. in one of bin laden's letters, he says, that it is not political. he just hates us b/c we're infidels. read it for youself! it was the one that came out, two before this last one. then he goes back and forth about it being political then being purely religious. he says whatever he can to gain the most support from the people he wants to help him. what about what we did to help "his people" out in somalia and kosovo? how come he's never said anything about that? the fact that he _doesn't care_ about what we might do to be diplomatic, or help, shows that his motive goes deeper than anything political... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

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Zorn in Santa Cruz, 2/16
by Veronique LARCHER 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Hi all, Those of you in the bay area may be interested in checking out the all Zorn concert organized by New Music Works ensemble in Santa Cruz, on sunday 2/16 (Rio Theatre). Program includes Shibboleth, Duras, Gris-gris and game piece Rugby. William Winant, Stephen Drury and Jhno are on the bill. A Tzadik CD signing is organized at the Felix Kulpa gallery on saturday, from 5 to 7PM with the performing artists. Light refreshments and appetizers provided. Felix Kulpa is located at 107 Elm street, downtown Santa Cruz, behind Streetlight Records. More information on the show at http://www.riotheatre.com/html/event.html Veronique

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Re: Re: War
by Steve Smith 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Keith, I know you're being contentious and hypothetical here. But let's spell it out, okay? Among any number of historical reasons and precedents, bin Laden has targeted us because: I) We are the main military supporter of Israel's continued occupation and dominance in Palestine territory, in bin Laden's view a sovereign Arab and Islamic nation. II) We continue to maintain troops in Saudi Arabia and other sovereign Arab and Islamic nations, thereby marking ourselves in his view as "colonial forces." Bin Laden is ruthless and a bloodthirsty ideologue. But he's far from irrationally crazy. He's got perfect self-justification for his hatred of anyone that doesn't subscribe to his ideals of complete and total Wahhabite Islam in Arab countries. Please remember that after the Soviets were driven out of Afghanistan, the next thing al Qaeda did was assassinate Anwar Sadat, president of an Arab nation, whose crime was making peace with Israel. Bin Laden's zealot bent, incidentally, is precisely the reason that overt collusion with Saddam -- who has never been a fundamentalist and leads a largely secular, even in SOME way progressive, society -- is unlikely in the extreme. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Hector Berlioz, "Les pelerins etant venus" - Roberto Alagna (EMI) -------Original Message------- From: s~Z <keithsz(a)concentric.net> Sent: 02/13/03 12:46 PM To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: War > > >>>we've been on this guy's list for a long time.<<< Why did he put us there? There plenty of other infidel nations he doesn't mess with. Why'd he pick us?

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