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Bennink stuff
by Gullasch Baronen 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

>Noah Howard - Patterns (perhaps hard to find but astonishing) Hm, never heard about it... Any more info? >Don Cherry - Actions (a classic) Absolutely! Only problem is that the female vocal is mixed waaaaaay to loud, but everything is else is amazing, esp. Bennink PS: As for his "schtick", who cares? I've seen him more times than I have anybody else and never got bored, 'cause he is still one of the greatest drummers on the planet. _________________________________________________________________ Få alle de nye og sjove ikoner med MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.dk

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Re: New ISO
by Bill Ashline 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

> From: "Olivier Borzeix" <oborzeix(a)sympatico.ca> > > Hey Bill, do you know of any internet mail order place that could hold this > item? Erstwhile Records will likely get them for its distribution program. Check here frequently: http://www.erstwhilerecords.com Otherwise: Yamaguchi Center for Arts & Media (YCAM) 7-7 Nakazono-cho Yamaguchi-city 753-0075 Japan Tel: 81-83-901-2222 Fax: 81-83-901-2216 email: info(a)ycam.jp

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Critters Buggin' request
by Eric Lundberg 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

Hi, I need a copy of the first Critters Buggin' CD for a Christmas present. I know that taken together the members of this list have every recording ever made, so I was hoping that someone might be willing to trade me for a copy of it. I have a lot of cool stuff that I can offer. E-mail me off list. I wish you all a very merry Christmas. Eric --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

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PK
by SELC - Andrew Mortensen 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

I love all PK! Talisman is great - I did a post AGES ago about it, saying how good it is. I've always LOVED the ambient CD, great to just put on & sit there & close your eyes. if there's anything I'm not that keen on, it's the longer pieces on "Buried.." & "Guts..." - but they're still great! Andrew -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Will Sarginson Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2003 4:53 AM To: Efrin del Valle Cc: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: Thankyou AVG! Hey.......! Just checked Talisman out, and gotta say I loved it. Ok, IMO albums never come to fruition until the thrid or sometimes fourth listen, but having been already into Painkiller, I got into it straight away. I was a little worried about how the actual sound of the recording would be, seeing as it is a live recording, but it sounds great. Ive yet to hear a Painkiller moment that I didnt like, I guess if I had to name one it would be the "Ambient" disc from the excellent Execution Ground. Efren del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> wrote: --- Will Sarginson escribio: Ive just purchased Painkiller Talisman > - Live In Nagoya, gonna play it tonight. I love > everything Painkiller has done, so cant wait..... I remember reading a very bad review of this album in The Wire, accusing it of being their less dynamic outing. When I listened to it I couldn't believe it. If dynamism is just the maremagnum of sax squealing and heavy drumming, then "Talisman" is not dynamic. But the great thing about this live recording is that things flow naturally, often slowly but that doesn't make it less intense, imho. I admit I felt disappointed when I read in a Zorn interview that Painkiller continued but NC didn't, but seeing the direction the band has taken, I miss NC a bit less. Best, Efren del Valle n.p: Zorn/Patton/Mori "Live in Sevilla- March 19th, 1996" (bootleg) _______________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sorteos !Ya puedes comprar Loteria de Navidad! http://yahoo.ventura24.es/ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

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Re: unopened cds and guilty pleasures
by francko.lamerikx＠philips.com 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

> Mainstream, the new Avant Garde? The "best of" lists have thrown up a few > intresting confessions. Anyone else prepared to come clean with a "guilty > pleasures" best of? The use of the term "guilty pleasures" in conjunction with the appearance of mainstream albums on various top 10 lists is exactly what I don't like about many avant-garde listeners' attitudes to music. They feel that their taste in music is so elevated that you can only justify listening to non-avant-garde music by wrapping it in a package of postmodern irony. This approach does nothing but continue the age-old supposed dichotomy between high art and low art, a canyon still wide open. As for myself, I didn't put the Kylie Minogue album in my top 10 as a "guilty pleasure". Sure, I take much pleasure in listening to it, but I don't feel guilty about it, and I certainly don't feel I need to justify my appreciation of the album by resorting to irony or anything of the sort - to me, it's a just a very good pop album, with some killer tunes. I also do not need to find any hidden references to avant-culture in it that "the general public probably don't get" to justify why I think it is a good album (even though the opening track and first single "Slow" could certainly be accused of being influenced by minimal electronics, for instance). To me, it is simply a good album, one that I have played a lot since I bought it. As Zorn has said it himself, the avant-garde has become a genre all unto itself. In much so-called experimental music, there isn't much experiment going on, because most of what is being played or produced has been done many times already. The only thing that makes it being tagged experimental is that 99.5% of the audience haven't heard any of the other 50,000 albums out there that use extended techniques, noise, scraping sounds, non-linear structures, and electronics in combination with acoustic instruments, to name but a few elements from the dictionary of the "weird". Quality is a rare thing, both in pop music and in experimental music (I'd like to think of Stanley Zappa's rants in Bananafish here...). To me, it no longer matters whether an album is from the pop or the avant world for me to appreciate it. As long as I feel excited about it, and have the urge to put it in my CD player, I reckon it's a good album. That being said, anyone else on this list who is into Broadcast as much as I am (and actually thinks they are the best band around these days)? Frankco

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RE: RE: Roxy Music
by SELC - Andrew Mortensen 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

> imo, sometimes when bad things get really, really bad they start being interesting. > It's just the in-beetween that annoys. ## i agree with this..... that's why i like some 80s 'crap' ## > Message du 16/12/03 06:29 > De : SELC - Andrew Mortensen > A : zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > Copie Ã : > Objet : RE: Roxy Music > well, i probably was a bit harsh & jumping the gun when I said "but what > they became is shit....", but I'm just thinking of that hit song - shit, > forget the name now... :) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of Tosh > Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2003 3:41 PM > To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Roxy Music > > > I totally disagree, I think Roxy Music is one of the great consistant > bands. One can argue forever if the later albums are better than the > first three -but basically Bryan Ferry is one fantastic artist. His > last solo album 'Frantic' is up there with his early stuff. > > The guitar player you are hearing is Phil Manzanera (is that the > correct spelling?). He was and still is amazing. > > Ciao, > -- > Tosh Berman > TamTam Books > http://www.tamtambooks.com > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list >

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new to list
by kevin cornish 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

Hi there I have just joined the Zorn mailing list (well I did join for a couple of months about 5 years ago but I rediscovered the list last weekend) I was introduced to Zorn in 1988 with spy v spy and naked city. As well as the downtown New York scene, I like bands/artists like Machine Gun Sonny Sharrock Larry Coryell John McLaughlin Miles Davis Don Cherry Last summer I saw Electric Masada in London and they are amazing And I am looking forward to some releases from their concerts Cheers Kevin

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Re: Bennink
by Dan Given 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

Ken Waxman said: >> Nerve Beats (Atavistic/Unheard Music) - solo and >> Chat Room (Leo) Simon Nabatov (piano) and Han Bennink >> (drums) >> Thing is, though, once you've seen HB and his schtick >> once, it's much preferable to listen to him on CD than >> see him do the routine again live. To which Mike Chamberlain replied: > I beg to differ on this. Gotta agree with Ken here, sort of. I've seen a few shows (some of which Ken was also probably at) where Han the clown took over from Han the musician. On a good day, I'd say Han the musician is untouchable. The last few times I've seen him, he's been spot on - swinging like mad, dropping bombs all over the place, playing the entire history of jazz drumming in 2 minutes. But on a bad day...well, anyone who saw him run around the that church in Guelph while Misha Mengelberg and Dave Douglas tried to make music would have a hard time forgiving him. Or those days when he stops after every couple of songs to try to sell discs. But on record, I've yet to find a real dog, though I'm not as high on Nerve Beats as Ken is. And that thing on Leo Golden Years with Kondo and Chadbourne should never have seen the light of day. I do prefer Han since he's settled into being a drummer, and set aside the clarinets, violins, etc. Things like 3 Points and a Mountain, or FMP 130, where Han is all over everything he can get his hands on, are interesting, but pale in comparison to something like Marion Brown's Porto Nova, the Han/Misha duo that came in the ICP box, the duo with Dave Douglas, or Chat Room (mentioned above, one of my favorite discs from last year).

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Re: unopened cds and guilty pleasures
by Maikel Aarts 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

Hi, >Listening to music as much >as we do, the thrill is always in getting new stuff, and the >old stuff often gets forgotten regardless of whether it belongs >to the mainstream or to the avant-garde. Thank God we have eBay >these days to get rid of the stuff that is not played! I really never understood this; I can't think of a single album that I bought and want to get rid of! Of course I don't listen to all my stuff with the same frequency, but isn't it just great to be able to spin a record when you feel like it, even if it is only once or twice a year? The only reason I can think of is money, but still... BTW, I can't really complain there are people like you, since it gives me an opportunity to get some great stuff cheap. Maikel

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Roxy Music
by Tosh 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

I do have this footage on dvd - and it comes with footage of T-Rex as well. It's worth getting - just to see Eno in the band with his tape machines. Plus cool fashion looks! -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com

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