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Re: No Subject
by Steve Smith 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Of course, Beethoven *did* scramble for commissions and he did long for official positions at various times, a longing that went unfulfilled. The first truly, completely independent composer was apparently Brahms, who accepted only a handful of commissions in his entire life and otherwise supported himself through publishing and by touring as a piano not-quite-virtuoso. The irony, of course, is that he was arguably a far less innovative creative force than were Bach, Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - nmperign & Jason Lescalleet - "Such Is a Refrigerator, or Even Happiness," 'In Which the Silent Partner-Director Is No Longer Able to Make His Point to the Industrial Dreamer' (Intransitive)

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zorn's squealin' sax
by Matthew Garrington 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hate to say this on a Zorn list, but someone's gonna have to be the critic. There really are better alto sax players out there. Javon Jackson is beautiful, and Steve Coleman is certainly one of the best ever (check out the sonic language of myth). I don't think that Zorn really compares as a genius on the saxophone. According to a recent interview (from Bomb Magazine I think), Zorn confessed to not practicing regularly in more than 10 years. He's not on the level of someone like Coltrane or Steve Coleman as a performer. I took jazz snob friend of mine who studied with Kenny Baron to see Masada. He LOVED Joey Baron, but said that Zorn was good but not great. He was floored though how Zorn would shift tones likes shifting gears in a car, sounding like Maceo Parker then Ornette Coleman then Eric Dolphy. Samerivertwice(a)aol.com wrote: No one's ever come out and said it -- not that I've seen anyway -- but my feeling is people on this list have mixed feelings about Zorn's proficiency as a sax player. While I'm hardly an expert on technique or innovations, I happen to think Zorn is an exceptionally good player with a unique style. Do others feel the same? Why or why not? I'd love it if someone could articulate Zorn's style in more technical terms so I can better understand and appreciate his playing approach. Thanks, Tom From: "Downard, Peter" Frankly, on the basis of the Masada studio and live sessions and the News for Lulu trios, I can't think of a better alto player in recent years. Can anybody else? Peter Downard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

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Freddie Hubbard doing electroacoustic music... reminds me of some tracks from naked city's heretic
by Rafael Romero Ibáñez 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

Did you know Freddie Hubbard did a record with electroacoustic elements ? Has anyone heard it? i'd like to know other folk's oppinions on it. It's jazz with electronics, not Ã la saint germain but it could fit in the genre... let me talk a little about this album, i think it's very weird and has very interesting and even beautiful moments. The thing is called "sing me a song of songmy" for atlantic records, he made it with a man called Ilhan Mimaroglu, and was recorded in 1971, it has a Picasso painting in the cover ("massacre in Korea"), so you can imagine the theme: basically it's an antiwar concept album. Hubbard trumpet playing is very very good and moody/thrilling, as records from the same period , kenny barron on piano, art booth on bass, junio cook on tenor sax and louis hayes on drums. But it also has tape effects, synthetized playing and organ (remind me a little bit of some kr. komeda's soundtracks) and processed sounds by this ilhan mimaroglu guy (a musique concrÃ¨te composer), strange strings arrangements, chorus and recited poems. It's an experiment with electroacoustic music and jazz like I really never heard. The text recited includes Kierkegaard's excertps, che guevara's words, and poems from people i don't know like "ÃHA-KHÃ", things like "fbi, cia, tradition, army" and after a hubbard solo. And it begins with a song, a kind of ode to sharon tate , with words "sampled", I don't know if it's from charles manson's family , but sounds very twisted, after this reciting there are sad violins... this reciting has been later sampled by meat beat manifesto in his song "she's unreal" in the subliminal sandwich album. You can read in the inner notes-collage things like "Brahms not bombs", "Drugs are like religion. With both, you can convince yourself of things which may not be real", "every man should be his own" "things are more meaningful when placed in a context different from the one they assumedly belong" ... It's a bizarre album , (if I have to think of something similar only some zorn work comes to my mind, like some songs from jeu des dames cruelles) and although belonging to his era, unique to whatever else i listened, so i think it deserves a check!!!! if you have heard it please give me yr advice!! it's my first message in zorn's list, hope it's not too long : P --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versiÃ³n: Webcam, voz, y mucho mÃ¡s Â¡Gratis!

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Marc Ribot Mystery Trio
by Peter Gannushkin 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

Hello All, Did anybody go to see Ribot's trio at Tonic the other day? Who is in this trio? What kind of music they play? NP: Bill Laswell "Lo.Def Pressure" (CD) -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin(a)shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/

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RE: Zappa releases
by GaryLewis 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

The other problem with the family releases so far is that they are ridiculously expensive- Oz is $30 US for a double CD and only available from them. Gary

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Anyone know who is playing with Zorn this Sunday for his Cobra Sets?
by Eric Olson 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

Can anyone tell me if they know who the lineup will consist of at Tonic this Sunday when they do John Zorn's Cobra? Thanks, Eric --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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Re: eminem
by Kurt Gottschalk 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

>From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel(a)ichips.intel.com> >To: SonataPathetique(a)aol.com >CC: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com, proussel(a)ichips.intel.com >Subject: Re: eminem > Elvis has nothing on Eminem. Elvis didn't even write >his own music or > > lyrics. Eminem will be around for a long time. > >That's a twisted way of looking at things. You seem to assume that >somebody who writes his own songs is higher of the achievement scale >that somebody who interprets them, and this regardless of the >respective quality of the composer and interpret? this is exactly the mindset created by the beatles which ruined rock and roll. not only do you have to sing and play instruments, but you have to write your songs as well. and look good. fortunately, with the britneychristinabackstreetnsync phenomena, we're getting past that focus and returning to the days, a la sinatra and doris day, of musical interpretation.. kurt _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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RE: Claypool / Nirvana
by kevin.by 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

today, i got no complaint about Nirvana. their "Bleach"-album is actually very nice. reminds me of early/mid 90's COWS. "In Bloom" is one of the best pop/rock-songs i ever heard. Also, "Come as You Are" is real nice. >===== Original Message From Efrén del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> ===== >Hi, > >>Primus was my very first OBSESSION as a teenager. it >>was like, "fuck >>Nirvana - >>GO PRIMUS! Primus SUCKS!" > >I was thirteen when "Nevermind" was released and my >attitude was pretty much the same. It took "In Utero" >and an unfortunate shot in the head to realize that >Cobain was much more serious and respectable than all >those grunge pret-à-porter fashion shows in Paris and >those snobbish pimple-faced kids complaining "The >world is against me!" A real pity. > >Best, > >Efrén del Valle > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger >Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! >Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es

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more claypool
by RainDog138＠aol.com 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

i was just thinking how absurd this arguement about les claypool sounding identifiable in every project he's done. i mean what the hell is wrong with that? nobody has ever said something like "im so sick of that elvis guy, i can always tell it's him." or "boy sinatra has really stagnated lately, he sounds the same on all his songs.." etc. you get the point. just being foolish i guess. sorry. -mike

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RE: Claypool
by kevin.by 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

i secon this rant! Les' solo-album is forgettable but "Pork Soda" is up there on my TOP 15 list PLUSS i know each Primus-album by heart. Primus was my very first OBSESSION as a teenager. it was like, "fuck Nirvana - GO PRIMUS! Primus SUCKS!" >===== Original Message From Efrén del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> ===== >Hi, > >>So untrue. Not that I'm so crazy about Primus, but I >>have listened >>enough to >>hear that each album, and even each song, is very >>distinct. > >I listened to the Sausage album before knowing that >was another project by Mr. Claypool and, call me dumb, >I thought it was actually Primus. >Then he released that solo album someone mentioned. >And what was that? Primus without 2/3 of the band, >leaving Claypool with his virtuosism on bass, his >limitations with other instruments and a few guests >with only Henry Rollins coming to mind. I listened a >couple of times when it was released and never got >back to it. Totally uninteresting to me and a proof >that being immediately recognizable isnt always a >guarantee. >Tales from the Punchbowl started to sound a bit >exhausted, or at least thats my impression, and with >Brown Album their usual sense of humour was nowhere >to be found. >Believe me, Primus has spinned a thousand times in my >stereo and I learnt the albums by heart, note by note >and word by word- not from a musicians viewpoint, of >course. The songs are obviously different (the >assertion was unnecessary), but if someone feels they >have undergone a remarkable evolution in their sound >during God knows how many years, please let me know >cause I missed it. Not only that, but they lost their >grace on the way becoming absolutely boring and >repetitive. And they did have opportunities to move >ahead or in different directions, since Frizzle Fry, >Pork Soda or Sailing offered a lot. But they >seemed to decide to stick with what they already had >without taking risks (Even Nirvana took more with In >Utero considering their previous massive success!). >Thats why, as someone said, its obvious that I >havent listened to any of his recent projects (I have >actually listened to the Oysterhead album, btw, but no >interest either). Of course I havent, at the risk of >missing something new from this guy, which seems >pretty unlikely to me at this point. It would be as >silly as expecting something good from David Bowie >right now. > >As usual, just an opinion, or a few ones in this case. > >Best, > >Efrén del Valle > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger >Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! >Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list

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