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Briggan Krauss
by Parry Gettelman 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

One of my favorite sax players, alto or otherwise. Such a swaggering sound, and he really listens to other players, rather than just blowing. I wish he did more as a leader -- his gig w/ 300 (trio w/ Kenny Wollesen and Wayne Horvitz) at the Knitting Factory festival (or whatever they were calling it) in 1998 or so was just amazing. The album was very good, too. I also liked Good Kitty a lot. Wasn't wild about his solo foray into electronica, however. Parry

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Zorn's Sax Playing
by Theo Klaase 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Personally, I feel Zorn has a unique style and I've got to give him kudos for pushing the boundaries with the sax on albums such as (any Pain Killer album here). Is he Coltrane or Joshua Redman? No, but I wouldn't want him to be either. He's his own man, with his own voice and that's what makes his sax appealing to me. Besides greatness is forever in the eye of the beholder. Just play Derek Bailey to a random person and watch the reactions... It's a great past time... ===== -That which is Theo "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." "to state that god is by nature, unknowable, is to pronounce knowledge of his nature - a contradiction." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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Re: Zorn as a player?
by Arthur Gadney 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Hi, I love Zorn's playing in Masada, Naked City and many other places, but in a more impro setting, he often gets boring and repetitive. Especially in bands like Painkiller, where he jsut does the same wail again and again and again...... Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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skerik the sax man
by Matthew Garrington 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

Gotta love all the love for saxophonists around here. Skerik is a MUST see in terms of his live performance. I really love Ponga, Wayne Horvitz's band with Skerik, Dave Palmer and Bobby Previte. Also, Skerik was in a prog-punk bad (is that a good description???) called Sad-Happy. Very good stuff. Sad-Happy is a drum & bass duo (real drums and a real bass) that bring in different "third members." The last two albums they produced featured Micheal Manering (sic). Skerik's also been playing with REM's Peter Buck in Tuatara. I've never been able to get into 'em, but it is quality song writing. matt PS Zorn is not as good a musician as Joey Baron!!!!! Baron is one of the best drummers alive! _____________________________________________________________"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty." - Benjamin Franklin____________________________________________________________ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

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Re: No Subject
by wozz+zorn＠wookie.net 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 11:14:42AM -0800, Donald White wrote: > I believe skerik was also in galactic right? No, Skerik is his own thing. He has no connection to Galactic that I'm aware of other than various side projects with Stanton Moore, Galactic's drummer. > That band is great.. I think thats where he was taken form.. > (could be mistaken) Ill definately have to check out the critters buggin.. never heard it.. have you heard also of "les claypools bucket of bernie brains"? Yes, thats Les Claypool, Bernie Worell, Buckethead, and Brain (the drummer from primus) > Les is definately one of my favorite all time musicians.. not many people write music the way he does.. its always guaranteed to shred.. no matter who he chooses to play with they are great musicians.. have you also heard claypools many projects with "Buckethead"? Yes ;)

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Re: No Subject
by mr.dave＠attbi.com 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

Skerik is a sax player? Put Zorn and Skerik on a bandstand together, and my money is on Zorn all the way. Although I haven't seen Skerik criticize anyone in an audience, I have witnessed him several times saying some pretty awful things from the bandstand about fellow musicians. I believe he thinks it's funny, but I'm not amused. Dave > On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 10:40:51AM -0800, john schuller wrote: > > In most cases I would agree with you. But you obviously have not heard > > "Purple Onion" yet. I was not a fan of Primus and I find this to be a nice > > departure from the "PRIMUS" sound. An amazing album I think. With a REAL sax > > player that doesn't yell at his audience!!! > > > > That sax player is Skerik, and while the Frog Brigade stuff is > fairly mainstream funkrock, Claypool has joined Skerik as a guest > on several of Skerik's projects. The Critters Buggin 6/2/01 show is a fine > example of this. And sure, Claypool's sound is identifiable, and even in > some cases predictable, but who here can't identify Zorn after a few > seconds of hearing him.

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RE: Zorn as a player?
by Toby Dodds 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

I guess what I was trying to say was that his solos at the recent Masada gig tended to end up, peak, at the same place. And listening to him circular breath on a single high note just reminded me of Roscoe's tour de force earlier that week. I've never stopped loving Zorn the arranger and composer but as a player I think my favorite recordings are back in the day a la Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet, News for Lulu & Spillane. And please don't throw me out of the kitchen. I've led the Sonic Life forever and wouldn't have a clue how to function without the noise. Best, Toby "If you can't handle his high-pitched squeals, get out of the kitchen. That's like saying "I like Sonic Youth, but I wish they'd stop doing all that abstract noise shit." NP - Indestructible Beat of Soweto Vol. 1 - another mid-eighties revelation...

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Re: Zorn as a player?
by Samerivertwice＠aol.com 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/19/02 5:05:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikec(a)rocler.qc.ca writes: > on 11/19/02 3:21 PM, Samerivertwice(a)aol.com at Samerivertwice(a)aol.com wrote: > > >> See, now that's how *I* feel, but I've seen more than a few snide remarks >> around here about his playing. >> >> From whom, pray tell? Can't say as I remember seeing anything like this. >> >> FWIW, I think that Zorn is a pretty good alto player. >> >> --Mike >> sh >> > Well, the one I read earlier said something about the other guy (name escapes me) who played with Les Claypool as being a "real" sax player, or something to that effect. Also, I once read a post that said it must be tough for Zorn to be the least capable musician in Masada, a claim I found unfair and erroneous. Tom

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RE: Theremin
by Fritz Feger 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

> > >But the argument for vacuum tubes mainly applies to power amps, not > > >low level signals, right (because as far as I know I am not aware of > > >16-bit D/A converters made out of vacuum tubes, and every CD player > > >has two such beasts)? > >Having a couple of vacuum tubes >down the signal path to strenghten the signal by few dozen of dBs does >not change the fact that the "evil" is at the source. If vacuum tube >are so perfect, a music audiophile should refuse playing CDs (maybe >they do). They do. There's so much esoterics in the transistor-tube stories. There is a saying among studio guys that there are no bad microphones but only wrong microphones with respect to the task, and I guess the same thing can be said on amplification techniques. Where solid state amps simply become more precise as the quality of components rises, valve amps by construction affect the sound. The closer you get to full weight , the more the signal is compressed, i.e. dynamic peaks are suppressed while the basic level rises. This is often a highly wanted effect because you increase the ceteris paribus loudness or punch or fatness of a signal. Valves also affect the frequency spectrum, i.e. function as a sort of equalizer, often so in a way to make the signal sound more round and balanced. Also, valves have a natural distortion, again depending from weight. While a heavy valve supplied with a low gain produces a clean signal, a valve on duty makes a clean Stratocaster signal really dirty, as anyone knows who has heard what Hendrix did with a Marshall valve amp. >That sounds like the computer motherboards (Like AOpen's AX4B-533 Tube) >with tube amps in their integrated sound. I've never heard of anything >so silly... It's still a digital (aka evil) source. I don't know this motherboard, but the idea is not necessarily silly given what I said above. It is sometimes useful to get a valve into a transistor signal chain which sounds too "digital", too "sterile", too "clean". However, if you have a CD where the mixer took benefit of expensive valve technique to get the "perfect" amount of compression, equalization and distortion for each track and for the master, there is initially no need not to use a good and precise (and cheap and long life) transistor amp chain including the low level amps in the CD player and pre and power amps outside. But of course a properly driven valve amp can also produce quite a linear frequency response. With respect to the Theremin issue, I'd recommend to proceed like the common guitar or electric bass player: try both and decide if you like the characteristic valve sound or if you are more impressed by transistor directness. (As a bassist, I'm personally in favor of the valve sound) Fritz ############################################## Fritz Feger mail(a)fritzfeger.de www.fritzfeger.de Fon: 0177 - 6424 020 Fax: 0721 - 151 435 058 Rüttenscheider Str. 253 Eulenstraße 56 45131 Essen 22765 Hamburg 0201 - 455 4555 040 - 3980 4766 ##############################################

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Re: No Subject
by Crowmeat Bob 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

> > >...was Beethoven black, as Anthony Braxton > > brilliantly asserts? > > > > I don't see the brilliance in that assertion, > > personally. whether or not Braxton actually believes it, I think it shows a great sense of humor. I find it brilliant because it goes straight for the godhead of white civilized culture and, instead of taking the angle that Beethoven only made structural additions to a phallocentric, heirarchical tradition, it undermines his very identity and position in that culture. Cultural purists who vehemently deny Beethoven was 'of Moorish descent' only reveal their own racism in attempting to preserve the whiteness of their cultural giants from the dark forces of historical revisionism. Or is it a case of 'reverse revisionism'? who gives a fuck really if he was black or white or somewhere on the gray scale, ultimately, aside from the Purists? I just think it's brilliant because it 'puts a black-gloved fist up the diz of all conservative musical architects', to paraphrase someone claiming to be Thomas Pynchon. >From: "Steve Smith"<ssmith36(a)sprynet.com> >Reply-To: ssmith36(a)sprynet.com >To: Efrén del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> >CC: zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: No Subject >Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:33:35 -0500 > >On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:16:57 +0100 (CET) >=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> wrote: > > > >...was Beethoven black, as Anthony Braxton > > brilliantly asserts? > > > > I don't see the brilliance in that assertion, > > personally. > > > > I also thought Braxton was smarter!! > >It's not Braxton's theory. And it was widely promulgated and perpetuated >amongst certain factions of the classical music and African studies worlds >not >so long ago. > >Recent theory and scholarship continues to suggest that Beethoven was of a >decidedly ruddy complexion, but that there is no genuine indication that >Beethoven was in fact black... which didn't stop an announcer on L.A.'s >KUSC-FM to rather notoriously refer to him once as a "noted Moorish >composer." > >Steve Smith >ssmith36(a)sprynet.com >NP - Michael Torke, 'An American Abroad' - RSNO/Alsop (Naxos) > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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