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Re: Captain B
by thesubtlebody 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Re: Captain Beefheart > To say that Safe As Milk and Mirror Man, especially > the remastered versions > are for completists only is steering a new fan away > from essential > Beefheart. I have followed Beefheart for decades and > have never been tempted > to buy Bluejeans or Unconditionally. I don't know about hairsplitting over the relative merits of the Captain's output, or even the best way in, but MIRROR MAN is pretty ridiculous. I was listening to its blues-not-blues a year ago and the whole post-rock camp seemed to slop into place as a very minor footnote in rock history, doughy pale po-faced imitators. MIRROR MAN is bold crazy stuff and grooves like mad. It is amazing. But of course, so are all the others you have mentioned. In some ways I prefer MM to TROUT MASK. I think it's more cohesive, for one thing. It grooves harder, it has more blues soaked into it. No way is it better, but I reach for it (MM) more often. FWIW. Speaking of Captain Beefheart, has anyone heard the mishmash 'n miscellaneous recordings by Gary Lucas and Jeff Buckley that Knitting Factory just put out? How good is it? I am not a huge Buckley fan, but Lucas is a killer, killer guitar wrangler. ---------s np: XTC, ENGLISH SETTLEMENT __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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meaty octafish vs. flesh ripping weasels
by D Dvb 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

>Now-a-days it's more likely I'll listen to Beefheart over Zappa. Even when I first put Trout Mask Replica in years ago and scratched my head going "What is THIS SHIT??!!???" and traded it in a few months later, the question of Beefheart vs. Zappa was never a hard one to answer. Even now, I blame the flaws of Trout Mask on Zappa. This is probably gonna get me some flak. I'm sorry in advance. --davy _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

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new Gary Lucas/Jeff Buckley
by Patrice L. Roussel 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Just saw the following record: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - SONGS TO NO ONE 1991-1992: Jeff Buckley, Gary Lucas 2002 - Knitting Factory/Evolver (USA), EVL2008-2 (CD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ which I have not been able to find on the KF web site. Does anybody know what "Knitting Factory/Evolver" means? Thanks, Patrice.

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Re: Captain Zappa
by Bruno Bissonnette 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

It's "The music of Captain Beefheart - Live" You can buy this online at www.morganagren.com BTW Mats and Morgan have other Zappa-esque discs out which are quite good. Also, they played in the "Zappa's Universe" tribute band with Mike Keneally, etc.. Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:56:43 -0400 From: David Beardsley <db(a)biink.com> > I also didn't mind the Mats & Morgan "tribute" > either. It was recorded after they were asked to put > together a band to play Beefheart tunes at one of his > art shows. The nearest thing to a live beefheart > concert you'll hear these days. What's the title of this? _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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Re: o captain my captian
by sondra halabi 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

my favorite zappa song is "Flower Punk" but i have not heard all of his stuff. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site

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Previte [was Re: drummers and Q? about NYC drum coll or MI]
by Steve Smith 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Previte talks about his new electronics fetish and a number of other things (including a new band with Mat Maneri that I'd love to hear) in the new issue of Jazz Times, a "drummers issue" that has Elvin Jones on the cover and also includes an article about Hamid Drake. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com (grateful for the new rush of activity on the Z-list, even if he's been too busy to participate much, let alone respond to a very kind personal note from John Threadgould, about which he's growing increasingly embarassed...) NP - The Residents, "Smelly Tongues," 'Meet the Residents' (ESD) On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:24:03 -0700 Joseph Zitt <jzitt(a)metatronpress.com> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:42:27 EDT > Fastian(a)aol.com wrote: > > > This is a good week for drummer lovers in > the Bay area. Chris > > Cutler has > > been here about a week but still has a > concert or 2 left, tonight's > > the 2nd night of 3 for Bobby Previte's Bump, > and Tom Rainey is here > > for 2 nights with Mark Helias Trio with Tony > Malaby. Not Bad. > > Bump was utterly amazing last night. Looks like > I'll miss the others > (no $$), but I am really glad I won tix to > Bump. > > BTW, at the gig they were handing out CDs of > some solo electronic drum > pieces by Previte. Fun stuff, include a lot of > triggered non-percussion > samples. > > -- > | josephzitt(a)josephzitt.com > http://www.josephzitt.com/ | > | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ > http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | > | GPG: A4224EFA 558B 4948 3D8A F338 5B2E > DA4D 40EF 8290 A422 4EFA | > | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the > Music of Human Systems == | > | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the > John Cage Discussion List | > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription > Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list >

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re:zorn live?
by Crowmeat Bob 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

>ornette coleman... best release.... lets hear it I'd probably have to go with either the classic quartet on 'Shape of Jazz to Come' or just about any of the trio recordings with David Izenzon and Charles Moffet (the 2-volume live in Stockholm is a good starting point). But I also really really like the later 'Body Meta' -- it's the best Prime Time record I've come across. It's electric, but not like any other fusion you'll hear. A similar record that he plays on is 'Tales of Captain Black' by James Blood Ulmer. Excellent shit. That's probably really my favorite now that I think about it. I'll change my mind when I listen to 'Art of the Improvisers' tomorrow. 'Science Fiction' is pretty great, too. --crowmeat np: E#/Carbon - Tocsin >From: "Corbin Booth" <bonesnberries(a)hotmail.com> >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: re:zorn live? >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:12:47 -0700 > _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

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Re: CAptain B
by john schuller 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

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Captain Zappa
by Andrew Stiffler 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Don't rule out the Zappa albums the mighty Captain appears on. Some of those tracks are killer! However the latest Beefheart, Magnetic Hands is not that good. And "Dust sucker" was a bit better. The live sound is poor, but for those of us who have played Beefheart over and over it is refreshing to hear something new. I like the limited Rhino release from My father's place, it contains tracks the original bootleg did not. I also didn't mind the Mats & Morgan "tribute" either. It was recorded after they were asked to put together a band to play Beefheart tunes at one of his art shows. The nearest thing to a live beefheart concert you'll hear these days. Andrew N.P. - Sonic Youth - ICP - Ex "In the Fishtank" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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cocksure
by CuneiWay＠aol.com 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Someone who is quite sure of their tastes wrote: >goes without saying Then why say it? Steve

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